I've been under attack recently from the usual suspects, claiming that I should be ignored because of my track record of failed predictions. So far, however, all they have cited is my article in Cory Hamasaki's Weather Reports, which refers to events in January, 2000 and after. For those of you from Rio Linda, I'd like to point out that the starting date of these predictions is still in the future, so they cannot be claimed to have been proven wrong.

So here is a challenge to the "attack pollys": either

1. Provide some examples of predictions that I have made that have already been proven wrong; or
2. Shut up.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999

Answers

Okay Mr. Put up or Shut up... tell us this;

WHEN will the date be that we can expect that the danger of Y2K has passed.

Yeah sure it's easy to predict the past you pusilanimous false prophet. Now trying doing it with the future... or take your own advice and shut up!.

-- Roadrunner (somewhere@in.the desert meep-meep), December 19, 1999.

Yeah sure it's easy to predict the past you pusilanimous false prophet. Now trying doing it with the future... or take your own advice and shut up!.

Thank you for that excellent example of totally illogical drivel. My article is about things that haven't happened yet (i.e., "the future"), dimwit. That was exactly my point, but I guess it's impossible to explain anything clearly enough to someone who just doesn't want to understand.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

wow steve! what brings on this reaction? i wouldn't take these guys too seriously. after all, if they are on this forum and dismiss y2k at the same time, they are either hippocritical or cant find something constructive to do.

note: when you go to the zoo, the monkeys scream and make faces at you but you just get amused, right? after all they are just MONKEYS.

same deal here.

-- skip(my real name-no 'handle') (146942@msn.com), December 19, 1999.

Heller,

If you need to start your own thread about why you were not wrong, you must be wrong. Why don't you shut up, you arrogant slob?

-- (Professor@theU.com), December 19, 1999.

If you need to start your own thread about why you were not wrong, you must be wrong. Why don't you shut up, you arrogant slob?

That's another classic, from an anonymous coward. Of course, if I did not object to being called names, then the same slimeballs would use that as evidence that these insults must be true.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Steve, the internet is truly nothing more that the Vanity Press for the masses. Who the hell are you?

Thanks for asking. The answer can be found in my resume, which indicates quite clearly that I have no need for any sort of vanity press.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Heller,

Point is, you obviously seem very unhappy about being "wrong" today, when yesterday (figuratively speaking) you were still silent. I guess you must have crossed a point in your own mind that told you you needed to show some results or lok like you don't know what you're talking about. Otherwise you would have never have said anything, and would still be waiting pateintly for your own predictions to come to fruition.

I guess you're just miffed because you're wrong and you can't make things change to look like you're right. And then on top of that, as someone pointed out, I believe that you're in serious need of affirmation and ego stroking.

Try Stuart Smalley's Daily Affirmation techniques. "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog gone it, people like me".

-- Road Runner (somewhere@in the.desert meep-meep), December 19, 1999.

Oh no, here we go with the resume again.

I can't bear to watch this display of self importance anymore.

-- Road Runner (somewhere@in the desert. meep-meep), December 19, 1999.

Skip:

I don't know whether you've been following the relentless personal attacks on me by the "attack pollys" on this forum (and elsewhere). Apparently there are people (to use the term loosely) who have nothing better to do than to follow me around and insult and belittle me at every opportunity. Well, I'm sick and tired of them, and this is my way of pointing out to the entire forum that they are full of crap. A lot of people have discovered that nobody pushes me around on the Internet; they're just the latest would-be bullies who are getting the lesson they deserve.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

I guess you're just miffed because you're wrong and you can't make things change to look like you're right.

Sorry, your smoke and mirrors won't work here. Do you have any evidence that I've been wrong? No? I didn't think so. Therefore, your other option is to shut up.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Point is, you obviously seem very unhappy about being "wrong" today, when yesterday (figuratively speaking) you were still silent.

And there we have the claim that silence means assent, right on cue! (For those of you in Rio Linda, that means "if I don't object to their insults, they must be correct"). Thanks for the assistance!

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Sorry, Steve. Looks like they have picked you to harrass. It might be best to just ignore them. Its less than a couple weeks until we all will know the truth anyway. It is not worth it to try to reason with these idiots.

I have noticed that the conversation on this forum is getting more shrill each day.

-- JoseMiami (caris@prodigy.net), December 19, 1999.

Oh no, here we go with the resume again.

That was in response to an insult indicating that I was using the Internet as a vanity press, which I demonstrated was incorrect. Nice try, though.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Well we don't have any evidence that you're right either, so shut the fuck up until you have some! Obviously this whole charade is to cover up your own insecurity about your predictions.

You're thinking...

"uh oh, I may not be right, I better reassure them that I am. After all I can't prove it yet".

-- Road Runner (somewhere@in the. desert meep-meep), December 19, 1999.

Okay, I can play the mulitple post game too:

Oh no, here we go with the resume again.

That was in response to an insult indicating that I was using the Internet as a vanity press, which I demonstrated was incorrect. Nice try, though.

******************************

So, you try to prove that you're not using the Internet as a Vanity Press, by posting a link to you're resume?

Hmmm....

-- Road Runner (somewhere@in. the desert meep-meep), December 19, 1999.

"uh oh, I may not be right, I better reassure them that I am. After all I can't prove it yet".

No, moron, again you have missed the point, which is that claims have been made that I have made WRONG predictions. This cannot possibly be known until the date of the predictions comes to pass, so claming that I have a "bad track record" is, simply put, a lie. Of course, I don't expect you to understand this, but anyone with a functioning brain won't have any trouble with it.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

So, you try to prove that you're not using the Internet as a Vanity Press, by posting a link to you're resume?

If you would bother clicking on that link, you would see that I have had quite a few books published by real (i.e., non-vanity) publishers. But I guess that would be too much trouble. Would you like me to post the relevant part of my resume here, to save you the trouble?

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Found it interesting last evening, got a call from my sister-in-law at 10:30 PM (Saturday evening) wanting to know what to get the kids for Christmas. She was standing in the mall. I was stunned it was open at that time and asked how long it was open. She stated till 11:00 PM, and Macy's was going to stay open to 12:00. I asked what kind of crowd there was, and she stated there were a large number of people, approx the amount you would find mid day.

There's so many preliminary indications that life will not be as we've known it coming very shortly and yet the masses, yes quite literally "the masses" do not care. It's not that they don't want to prepare, even a little, they just don't want to deal with anything that's not life as usual. They want their technology, their money, their comfort, and anyone that would show them that these may be compromised were in the past ignored. Now that there is a better indication that their lives may at least may be affected to some extent, the full out attacks begin, because behind it all is a true sense of fear that many will not acknowledge.

-- claurann (claurann@aol.com), December 19, 1999.

LadyLogic:

I'm afraid you are looking at someone else's article, which follows mine in the same issue. Otherwise, thank you for your comments.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Oh I understand that you're mad about being called wrong. But what I don't understand is that if you're so sure of yourself, why does it bother you so much?

Whatever happened to the security in knowing?

Seems to me that you're just whining, and whiners don't get very far with that routine. Try being confident in the fact that you're right, and wait to see if you are. I'm sure that anyone with half a functioning brain can figure that out.

-- Road Runner (somewhere@in the desert. meep-meep), December 19, 1999.

I'll admit to not following most threads here these days, so I may have missed quite a bit.

But Steve, you were "attacked" for apparently trying to jump on Bradley's Riverboat:

By the way, I haven't made any specific predictions either, except to say that if Y2K turns out to be "nothing", I'll be amazed. And you can take that to the bank! -- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 13, 1999. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=001zhf

It wasn't because of failed predictions. It was from apparently trying to walk away from the numerous predictions you've made.

Other reasons probably stem from statements such as these:

...Therefore, we are in for a major disaster. The good news? You (and all the other pollyannas who have your head stuck in the sand) will stop consuming valuable resources, like air. Too bad that you may convince others not to protect themselves as well, but I guess that's another example of Darwinism in action. ....

http://ww w.usatoday.com/life/cyber/ccarch/ccc0215.htm

Just my opinion, of course.

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-deja.com), December 19, 1999.

By the way I looked at your resume. Seems to me I heard someone said to refrain from using the word "I" in a professional resume. It gives the impression that the person who is writing it is not giving enough creedence to the fact that it takes a TEAM to see a project through. Actors and Politicans use the word "I" in their resume.

Number of I's in your resume: [25]

-- Road Runner (somewhere@in. the desert. meep-meep), December 19, 1999.

Still lookin'

-- gr (lookin'@homenow.com), December 19, 1999.

Try being confident in the fact that you're right, and wait to see if you are.

I'll give this one more try, as your last message wasn't quite as insulting as previous ones.

The point is not whether my predictions will turn out to be right or wrong; I admit the possibility that they may be wrong. The point is that they are not wrong yet, so people who claim that I should be discredited based on my "wrong" predictions are full of it. Is that clear?

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

It was from apparently trying to walk away from the numerous predictions you've made.

As soon as the WRP article was mentioned, I accepted it as being a fairly specific set of predictions, and have continued to stand by it. So I don't think that's the answer.

As for my comments to Meddis: I stand by those too, even though I don't think they qualify as "predictions". He's a moron, and I think the world would be a better place without him. Can you honestly tell me that you can't think of at least one person like that? No names are necessary, of course.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Oh, crystal

-- Road Runner (somewhere@in. the desert. meep-meep), December 19, 1999.

Seems to me I heard someone said to refrain from using the word "I" in a professional resume. It gives the impression that the person who is writing it is not giving enough creedence to the fact that it takes a TEAM to see a project through.

That's a matter of style, not substance. For what it's worth, I haven't had any such objection from any of the dozens of recruiters who have called me trying to get me to work for one of their clients.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Stop it, people. Just stop it. Predictions don't matter. Estimates are just guesses. What has been known is beginning to be revealed.

Suadi Arabia has stockpiled up to nin days of oil for post Year 2000 troubles. According to a Bloomberg report released today, they provide 10% of global oil supplies. Sources within the region same that some oil companies have not commenced an examination of embedded systems. If this if the case in Saudi Arabia (the report does not indicate that precisely), then all "bets" are off.

Nine days people, and there will be shortfall of oil availabile. That's not going to be fixed quickly.

Pay attention. Stay alert. Stop the debating. Watch and be prepared to react to help where you can. We do it together or it doesn't happen.

-- Buster (BustrCollins@aol.com), December 19, 1999.

It's just a lesser point Steve, I'm sure you don't have to worry about things like that. As you said, style, not substance.

-- Your style sucks (somewhere@in. the desert meep-meep), December 19, 1999.

I'm glad you weighed in on this thread, Hoff. Heller's had a pout on since your earlier exchange with him. And, Steve, we'll find out about your predictions soon enough. Until then, I think everyone on this forum has seen the link to your resume. And after your recent reference to your "markedly superior cognitive powers," you are starting to sound like Wile E. Coyote, super genius. (chuckle) Let's save room on the forum for topics other than your bruised ego.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), December 19, 1999.

I understood that. Why didn't you other polly's understand that. He is making a valid argument!

Thank you for your willingness to apply rational thought processes rather than dismiss everything I say because I am a "doomer".

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

And, Steve, we'll find out about your predictions soon enough.

Thank you for making my point for me. We haven't found out about them yet, so discrediting me at this time based on my "poor track record" makes no sense. Of course, if everything is hunky-dory at the end of January or thereabouts, then I'll be discredited, but not until then. Right, Ken?

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

LadyillLogic--"using foul language and harrassing people is not acceptable?" Where the hell do you get off saying don't do as I do but do as I say? People from Bok's chat room will get a kick out of what you said here.

-- observer (observer@observerrr.xcom), December 19, 1999.

Roadrunner uses some familiar verbiage...

i.e. Doomer Su..

-- just more of the same meaningless verbal bullying (guys.you.will.get.what@you.deserve.soon.enough), December 19, 1999.

Let's play WHAT IF.

WHAT IF STEVE AND ALOT OF OTHERS ARE RIGHT...

THEN YOUR DEAD

-- what if game is interesting uh (you.just.dont.know.how@its.going.to.come.out!), December 19, 1999.

Sorry you've become a lightning rod for the foaming pollies, Steve. Thanks for giving them a thread they can swarm on. Now just tiptoe back to the Forum and let them devour this thread alive, heeheeheheehheheheh

-- throw them a bone (nice@diversion.raid), December 19, 1999.

My predictions haven't failed either. They are in the future. what part of future do you understand. Get your minds out of the pretrist mode and maybe just maybe you will get a clue? You will need every clue you can get. You are struggling with reality. I did not make any untrue predictions. Send me money. Give me cash. I have a resume. Give me a job. I dig swing music. Have you ever seen pizza on sale the way it have been lately? I never really was a doomer, I was just playing devil's advocate.

-- Butt Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), December 19, 1999.

Who is Steve Heller and why should we care? So you never made any mistakes. Great, we all love you, now stop littering this forum with self congratulatory love notes and get back to work remediating. We are counting on you.

-- Who Is He (and@who.cares?), December 19, 1999.

I thought Y2K Pro was deleted on sight, and now here he is strutting around like he thinks he is the cat's butt.

[not now--Sysop]

-- Butt Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), December 19, 1999.

Please don't feed the trolls anymore, Steve. Your excellent background speaks for itself. If you have anxious energy to spare, why not go after some of those cranky, elderly net controllers who are gumming up RACES, etc.?

We're looking forward to your next book!

--Buckeye and Lady Buckeye

-- (ladybuckeye_59@yahoo.com), December 19, 1999.

Steve kicked all y'alls butts! Hahahahah!!!

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 19, 1999.

Y2k pro must not live in the north.If the pipes froze everywhere at the same time it would be just as Steve writes.Only with more diareah.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), December 19, 1999.

By the way,pusillanimous has two "l"'s.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), December 19, 1999.

i notice that steve's latest post on the main forum has been deleted. does this mean the moderator is tired of the bickering?

-- skip (146942@msn.com), December 19, 1999.

"IT'S DIARRHEA"



-- tch (q@q.k), December 19, 1999.

"Weather" and "whether" mess me up too....words are limited,silly little things,aren't they?

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), December 19, 1999.

Steve, it appears from your disposition that you do not have an agent. If you do, you should consider firing him/her. You are not getting very good advice. I believe your publisher(s) would not be to happy to see you acting in this childlike manner. You seem to be under the false illusion that if "my logic makes more sense to me than yours does", the other party must obviously be a "moron". Steve, your own behavior demonstrates far more effectively your intellectual capabilities. Intellegent? Yes. Mature? No. It is the lack of maturity that does not allow the raw materials of intellegence to be assembled into a superior, intellectual product. Instead of spending so much time and energy trying to force others into recognizing your great intellegence, you should consider spending some time mastering the skills and techniques used by truly great teachers, speakers, and authors.

-- ronnie beard (rbeard@eatel.net), December 19, 1999.

Your resume show no Y2K experience. That makes your Y2K opinion no more worthy of attention than any other person with no Y2K experience.

Under attack on an internet discussion group? Big deal. Someone would attack you on the ineternet if you said the sky was blue.

You and many other doomers present a scenario that seems to ignore the $100 bils. spent in the U.S. to prevent Y2K problems. It is as if nothing was accomplished in the past two years. You seem to assume the money was wasted by people whose jobs depend on preventing Y2K problems at their organizations. Yet all you offer is speculation. I see no data (or anecdotes) to convince me that even one company who has claimed success in preventing Y2K problems is lying.

So the bottom line is you're just another guy with an opinion. Since your computer experience is not Y2K experience, it may not be relevant to your Y2K conclusions. I have an opinion too. It's just as worthy as yours even if never printed in a free internet newsletter. My opinion is a 2-3 on a scale of 10 for Y2K problems. Everyone else's opinion is just as good as mine.

-- Richard Greene (Rgreene2@ford.com), December 19, 1999.

This entire thread has turned into a pissing contest. Steve Heller is discussing pending events/possibilities in the near future. Everybody else appears to be foaming at the mouth about the admittedly failed concept of "trigger dates" during 1999.

How can people blast a prediction for an event in a date that has not yet arrived??

Just my two cents...

-- Irving (irvingf@myremarq.com), December 19, 1999.

Steve

Don't be disingenous.

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000aZe

Your answer is next to the bottom.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), December 19, 1999.

I don't think Mr. Heller's publisher would like this thread too much either. I sent this thread to his publisher to find out.

-- (Howling@coyote.com), December 19, 1999.

You seem to be under the false illusion that if "my logic makes more sense to me than yours does", the other party must obviously be a "moron".

First, "false illusion" is a silly phrase, as the meaning of "illusion" includes the characteristic of falsity; "false illusion" is like "tall giant". Second, the question is not whether "my logic makes more sense to me than yours does", as there is no such thing as "my logic" and "your logic". Could you mean "my argument and your argument"?

If what you are trying to say is that someone can have a different opinion from mine without being a moron, this is of course correct. However, it is irrelevant, because the question is not whose opinion is correct, but whether it is logically possible to call a prediction "wrong" when the time to which it refers hasn't happened yet. The answer, of course, is no, and anyone who tries to maintain this position after having been shown his error is, indeed, a moron (in the popular sense of the word, not the technical sense). I hope I have explained this clearly enough for you.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

So the bottom line is you're just another guy with an opinion.

This is again irrelevant to my point, which was whether my predictions could be said to be wrong before the time to which they refer has arrived. Of course, the answer is "no".

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

I don't think Mr. Heller's publisher would like this thread too much either. I sent this thread to his publisher to find out.

Did you send them your real email address? If not, you're unlikely to hear back from them. In any event, my life and reputation are my own, not theirs. However, to the extent they would be interested, I would be surprised to hear that they wanted me to sit by and be savagely attacked on a completely irrational basis.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Don't be disingenous.

Who's being disingenuous? The question, which almost all of you pollys seem to be trying to avoid, is whether I can be said to have a "bad track record" before the events that I have predicted have either occurred or failed to occur. The answer, as always, is "no".

Once the relevant time has passed, then it will be possible to say I have a "bad track record" ... if, indeed, my predictions don't pan out. If they do, then I will have a "good track record". But as of now, the issue hasn't been resolved, so my track record is still to be determined.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

How can people blast a prediction for an event in a date that has not yet arrived??

Yes, that's exactly the question. I haven't gotten an answer yet, though.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

I was referring to the statement that no one had any record of you making a prediction save the Hamasaki WRP.

That one stuck in my mind because of the bad format problem.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), December 19, 1999.

I was referring to the statement that no one had any record of you making a prediction save the Hamasaki WRP.

Am I supposed to remember every thread I've posted to for the past year? Okay, I'll "admit" that I made that prediction too. Since it is more or less the same as my other one, only less specific, who cares? It doesn't answer the question of whether predictions can be called "wrong" when their subject date hasn't arrived, the answer to which is still "no".

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Mr. Heller: I probably (from the context) agree with your estimate of what will happen. But if I may, without offending you, mention what the wisdom of Scripture says: 'Let not a man's own lips praise him." When I saw your resume, which IS impressive, I thought: "Oh, no; they're really going to tear into him now." And the more sparkling it is, the more they'll tear into it!

I see what you're saying, in that what you've estimated is mostly in the future, so how can you be wrong yet? I do think that people who say this or that will or won't happen are asking for criticism, because only God knows what will or won't happen. I'm hoping HE has the 'silver bullet'!

-- Connie Iversen (hive@gte.net), December 19, 1999.

Steve, this obsession with proving your point is a clear indication that you have a very fragile sense of self. The fact that you feel the need to repond to each post individually is a demonstration you are very insecure. Steve, did you not get the love and support you needed as a child? Have you always felt like the outsider? Have you explored this desperate need for affirmation? Steve, go to a mirror and look at yourself. Smile and say "I like me. Other people like me. Why? Because, darn it, I am a good person". If that does not work, go to your garage and start your car. Then firmly place your lips around the tail pipe and..........

-- for real (for@real.com), December 19, 1999.

Connie, the problem is that Steve Heller believes he is God. Therefore, your words of wisdom go unnoticed by him.

-- for real (for@real.com), December 19, 1999.

Suck the tailpipe!!! ROTFLMAO

Smeller ..... I'll shut up if you will.

-- (I'mHere@today.com), December 19, 1999.

"for real" and "I'm here:

Since you have nothing to back up your position, so you resort to irrelevancies and namecalling. This further demonstrates my point that most (note: not all) pollys are incapable of reasoning.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Connie:

Thank you for your kind words. As to what will happen, I've admitted that I cannot be sure about that, any more than anyone else can. However, I believe that any reasonable observer would agree that my scenario has a significant chance of occurrence. The purpose of my article was to encourage everyone to mitigate the effects of such a scenario, should it occur, as much as possible.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

and then Steve uttered ".....that proves my point...but my point is....the point of my argument is....one point plus two points equals three points.....four score and seven points ago our forefathers pointed out that....

-- for real (for@real.com), December 19, 1999.

Oh for heaven's sake. This thread just keeps getting totally off the wall.

Look, as far as I know (and thanks to my old win3.1 cardfile, I know quite a bit[why on earth did MS quit supplying that? very useful]) Steve has made exactly one minor public prediction about something happening pre rollover.

http://x22.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp? AN=496125399&CONTEXT=945640907.1664811014&hitnum=23

As I said, very minor, hardly worth the trouble to post.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), December 19, 1999.

and then Steve uttered ".....that proves my point...but my point is....the point of my argument is....

I'll keep "uttering" it until all the pollys either get it or shut up: the point is that my predictions cannot be said to be wrong until and unless:

1. The time passes during which the predicted events are supposed to occur; and
2. These events do not occur.

Get it yet? Whether or not you get it, as soon as the pollys stop trying to pretend that I'm wrong, they can shut up and the thread will be over.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

"I don't think Mr. Heller's publisher would like this thread too much either. I sent this thread to his publisher to find out."

Wait long enough, and the pissants will out themselves. It must be a law of nature or something.

What next, Pissie? Gonna track down where he lives, start posting death threats, and the rest of the usual pissant MO?

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), December 19, 1999.

Get it yet? Whether or not you get it, as soon as the pollys stop trying to pretend that I'm wrong, they can shut up and the thread will be over.

Steve, the pollys will never shut up or stop trying to pretend you're wrong. It's in their nature to lie, distort, and spin. It's what they do to compensate for the incredible denial they've put themselves in.

It doesn't make a difference anyway because they won't be around much longer. Why worry about

-- (brett@miklos.org), December 19, 1999.

Schwarz......

Do you think before you post? Steven Heller has posted enough information on his website that a chimpanzee could track him down. Pissant.

-- (Notmy@address.com), December 19, 1999.

Yup, typical pissant you are. Try to rationalize your e-stalking with BS tantamount to "if he didn't want me to kill him, he would have bought better door locks".

Thanks for being incapable of hiding your true colors.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), December 19, 1999.

Bravo, Steve!!

When the lowest of the lowest polly pus bags, such as Paul Davis, start crawling out from under their rocks, you know that "you done good". I hope that you are getting this thread onto hardcopy. Should the opportunity present it self post-Y2K, it will be something to marvel at, looking at what the pollies said here.

Yours in the end times,

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 19, 1999.

Um, Decker, where exactly did Steve Heller claim to have "markedly superior cognitive powers"? Since you are clearly his opponent, why should we believe your claims without documentation?

-- none (noemail@this.time), December 19, 1999.

Be careful, "Paranoid Ron" will report you to his friend that lives down the street from a guy who went to school with a girl that married into the family of a person from the same town as the brother of a former federal official that used to work in the mailroom of the FBI!

-- for real (for@real.com), December 19, 1999.

Oh, by the way Steve, you intellectual giant..........BOO!!

-- for real (for@real.com), December 19, 1999.

Steve "The Profit" Heller, did you really say those things? Are you married? Children? How are you you going to explain this level of stupidity to them? Oh, by the way........BOO!

-- for real (for@real.com), December 19, 1999.

y2k pro,

You have to be the most pathetic peice of shit I have ever encountered on the web. You really do need to get yourself a life, your second grade antics are really getting old...please find some self respect.

-- BiGG (supersite@acronet.net), December 19, 1999.

Yes, Y2K "Pro", I wrote that. Far from trying to hide it, I posted the link to it in the starting message of this thread. The question, of course, is precisely how you can claim that I am "Always Wrong", when the prediction you keep posting is about events in January 2000, which in case you haven't noticed, is in the future. Since you cannot claim that predictions about future events are wrong until the time comes when they are predicted to take place, you have again revealed yourself as a liar and/or moron. Which do you prefer?

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Steve, we pause a moment while your diaper is changed.

-- for real (for@real.com), December 19, 1999.

Brilliant repartee, "attack pollies"! I just hope sure your third grade teacher doesn't see it, or you'll be grounded for a week! Now, let's get back to the question: can you provide some examples of predictions I have made that have been proven wrong? No? I didn't think so.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Good gawd, you stupid polly morons!!!!! If I make a prediction for JANUARY 1, 2000, no matter (for the sake of argument) how ludicrous, how can it be declared "WRONG" if Jan 1, 2000 HAS NOT YET HAPPENED??????????

Go ahead, answer the frigging question, pus bags!!!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 19, 1999.

Because KoS, it is simply is more fun provoking purely emotional responses from those who position themselves as "thinkers". In case you've not noticed, Steve's prediction's were never taken seriously to begin with. That's why he started this thread. And even though he KNOWS he is making a fool of himself by begging everyone, ANYONE, to "prove how I can be wrong about a future prediction", he cannot control himself. He has regressed into brainmush. I can see him at this very moment huddled in a dark corner mumbling to himself.."they can't prove me wrong....they can't prove me wrong....they can't prove me wrong...." Now really, who is the moron?

-- for real (for@real.com), December 19, 1999.

OK, so keep begging the question. "We just KNOW that his predictions are GOING to be wrong, somehow-someway, so instead of simply waiting until the date for the prediction occurs, we will declare the prediction to be wrong NOW."

Boy, that does say a lot about polly-think, doesn't it? Sort of the inverse of, "Since year 2000 problems are not happening in 1999, they won't happen in 2000." Hoo-boy.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 19, 1999.

In case you've not noticed, Steve's prediction's were never taken seriously to begin with.

Oh, no, they weren't taken seriously at all. Just seriously enough to assign attack pollies to follow me around wherever I post to try to keep people from listening to what I have to say. Nice try, but it isn't working. But then, what else do you have? Nothing.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

Just to ease the burden on the Sysops who have to keep deleting Y2K "Pro"'s incessantly repeated postings of my predictions, I'll post them myself:

On January first, there'll be a spike of errors in process control systems that will cause widespread power outages, communication outage s, and other immediate effects. However, some power companies will manage to keep the power on in many places, and many people will breathe a sigh of relief.

Unfortunately, this relief will turn out to be premature. Over the next several weeks, breaks in the supply chains to the power companies, primarily fuel supplies, will result in a gradual degradation of the infrastructure. Water treatment plants will run out of supplies, hospitals will stop functioning properly due to lack of drugs and other supplies, and this will be repeated in every industry. The economy will grind to a halt.

But the most serious problem, in the north at least, will be frozen pipes. If the power's off for more than a few days in the middle of winter in Detroit, Chicago, New York City, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and other northern tier cities, they'll be devastated by frozen water pipes and sewer line backups. Plague will follow shortly. Most of the inhabitants of the northern cities will die within a matter of a few weeks, from cold, disease, fires started in an attempt to keep warm, or random violence.

Steve Heller - July 1999

Okay, "Pro", satisfied now? Or will you keep reposting these predictions and trying to pretend that I'm denying that I made them? What a loser.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 19, 1999.

O.K. Steve you got us! Only someone with your brainpower could have figured out that we were all assigned by.....uh...Steve...who were we assigned by?......but any way, we were assigned by somebody to follow you around and.........

-- for real (for@real.com), December 19, 1999.

O.K. Steve you got us! Only someone with your brainpower could have figured out that we were all assigned by.....uh...Steve...who were we assigned by?......but any way, we were assigned by somebody to follow you around and.........

I give up. Go ahead, tell us why I'm being followed around by a swarm of "biting, stinging Pollys". Or is it just one person with lots of handles?

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), December 20, 1999.

O.K. Steve you got me! Only someone with your brainpower could have figured out that I was assigned by......uh.....well......., whoever assigned me told me to.......use.....oh yea..they told me to many different handles......so not to be detected....because.... the powers that be....you know...the media..and ...uh...the government....and...uh.......oh yea! the black helicopter people....know that your predictions sway the behavior of the masses! In order to come up with a strategy for dealing with your global influence, meetings are being held right now among the leaders of the NSA and the CIA and the......uh...the FBI, yea the FBI...and..........the.......WTO and.....Stalin...and Nero.........and.....Jesus..YEA JESUS!..and.........Moses......and.........uh..Elvis! That right! Elvis!

-- for real (for@real.com), December 20, 1999.

Looks like the broomsquad likes to pus-wrestle.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), December 20, 1999.

Steve Heller is quite correct and if you will read the clues and deductions on Y2K by Sherlock Holmes you cannot but agree unless you are a total idiot.

CHECK THIS: / The following is the last Sherlock onthe thread WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN SHERLOCK?  Elementary My Dear Watson!...Observe the clear telltale clues

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0022yY

"Now my dear Watson, examine the answers given to our most exact deductions. Notice, not one of the respondents offered a single fact to rebut our clues and our elementary deductions.

Denial is a most powerful mental condition which prevents an otherwise normal person from perceiving reality correctly. Denial grasps at straws to deny that the Titanic is sinking.

The silly fairy story of a three day snow storm, is enough for any thinking person to lift the veil of illusion. Why would the governments create bunkers and why would the press ignore the reports from the GAO, the DOD, the Senate Y2K committee. Why would the press pretend nothing is happening. Why don't we hear a single word on how our industry has resolved the problem of getting ball bearings from Brasil or how are we going to fix the Alaska pipeline in the middle of winter and who got the contract replacing chips....ELEMENTARY MY DEAR WATSON..the Polly Trolls are at their wits ends and cannot offer a single grain of facts to prove their bump in the road is not mount Everest.

The lights will go down in many parts of the world, airlines will find themselves unable to fly more than a very few planes and those will be rationed to desperate VIPs. The VVVIPs first, the VVIPs second and so on. You will have to wait months for a place on any airline. Officials will be busy covering their behind trying to explain what what happened to the little bump on the road...communications and news will be spotty...banks will be unable to function...cash will be king for a while..then trade will take over. The stock market will stop in its tracks and there will be a silent panic since no one will get news other than by some shortwave radio...the stores will be empty by the second week in January...The government will try to maintain order but the problems will rapidly multiply...Water and sewers will be down in many places and disease will become epidemic...THE GOOD NEWS WILL BE IN THE VAST ARRAY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WITH BRAIN AND KNOW- HOW...organize neighbors..startintensive gardening...help seniors and children... assist in maintaining order...take the corporate scoundrels to task...go to the polls and take the country back ... defend our nation from foreign invaders and terrorist...restore justice...re- organize our economy on a human level...opportunities GALORE for the bold, the free and the brave. The trolls and pollies will suddenly all claim they knew this was going to happen. Make ready to absorb the first rude shock of awakening...to treat those in trauma...the internet will be very fragmentary but will eventually reconnect and help liberate us from mass media and official BS..consumerism will change and education will change...OPPORTUNITY FOR THE YOUNG AND THE BRAVE AND THE SMART.

Some day we'll all look back and realise that Y2K was a blessing in disguise...ELEMENTARY MY DEAR WATSON.

-- Dr.Watson (Watson@scotlandyard.uk), December 20, 1999.

Well now....that explains everything. Doomers do their research by reading fiction. Here is some suggested reading for your Y2K research- For how Y2K will effect shipping-Moby Dick, For how Y2K will effect aviation- Around the World in Eighty Days, for how Y2K will effect............

-- for real (for@real.com), December 20, 1999.

Steve, I know nothing of your predictions, your prior posts or the alleged subsequent attacks by pollies, but I believe you know what you're talking about. YES, I get your point that FUTURISTIC observations cannot yet be refuted. Still, on the basis of this thread alone, I feel only awed embarrassment at the sheer magnitude of your ego. Amidst all the lauding self-congratulation, you demonstrate not the slightest ability to stand back, and say, "hmm, maybe they have a point. I may be wrong." This clearly exemplifies the mentality of a juvenile. And I am a doomer from day one. Your desperate need to be right, and resultant quest for absolution from strangers would best be addressed in the privacy of a therapist's office, rather than the public forum of the internet, (or, better yet, in your father's study, since he is clearly the one you are trying to impress.) You may, indeed, possess the technical knowledge required to ASSESS the severity of the current situation, but without the ability to confront your own weaknesses and your own life's adversities, you remain unable to acquire the wisdom and knowledge necessary to SURVIVE said circumstances. Would be a true tragedy if you were unable to walk the path you are so sincerly leading others to follow. The tongue-in-cheek references to Stuart Smalley ought not be so easily dismissed. That character struck a chord within us all for a reason. Strip off your clothers, stand in front of a full-length mirror, and learn to like yourself naked and vulnerable (figuratively, of course.) Only THEN are you able to convey wisdom.

P.S. This goes for the pollies, as well.

Comedians know that delivery (of information) is everything.

-- there's not much (time@all.isthere), December 21, 1999.