Why is everyone ignoring Mr. CEO?????

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Don't you realize that this is a man who is one of the foremost experts on embedded systems in the world, and he is basically predicting TEOTWAWKI? Yet no one ever mentions him...I mean, they say things like, I think there may be locallized failures, or I expect there will be no MAJOR problems on New Years day, and on and on...DON'T YOU PEOPLE REALIZE THAT IF MR.CEO IS RIGHT, WE ARE F*CKED BIGTIME???!! I mean, I think it is safe to say that he is without ANY doubt a real person, and furthermore that he is who he claims to be. Afterall, he has been vouched for by several VERY credible people including Jim Lord. So why have you all forgotton about him? I recently heard Yourdon on a talk show, basically saying "year of problems, decade of depression". How can he say that in light of Mr.CEO? In my opinion, Mr.CEO is the most important revalation yet...WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

-- Orson Wells (wells@whitebulb.com), December 18, 1999

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I'm with you Orson. I suspect Mr. CEO backed out because his company would have potentially lost their contracts, and so FOF would move much more slowly (if at all), and therefore cost many more lives than the few saved who may have began prepping due to his appearance.

Yet his backing out seems to have taken his initial report out of the forefront of person's minds.

-- Hokie (va@va.com), December 18, 1999.


How can you judge the credibility of a ghost? Maybe he exists, maybe he doesn't. Who knows?

I base my Y2K actions on credible facts. Mr. CEO and his predictions are nothing more than heresay.

-- Stars and Stripes (stars_n_stripes@my-deja.com), December 18, 1999.


S&S,

Too right, we see too much of the "friend of a friend" and "reliable source" crap. Maybe Mr CEO is real but most of us see a little red flag pop up when the source is hidden or promises to show up and "backs out". Mr CEO doesnt exist to me, sorry to Jim Lord and everyone else. I dont need more ghosts "helping" me make my decisions about y2k.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), December 18, 1999.


HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?? Jim Lord said he spent two days with the man, and a columnist with Westergaard also vounced for his authenticity. This is not a friend of a friend story, this is a real person...unbelievable!!!

-- Orson Wells (wells@whitebulb.com), December 18, 1999.

"Yet his backing out seems to have taken his initial report out of the forefront of person's minds."

Hokie.....I've been hearing Mr. CEO backed out of an interview, but I must have missed his INTIAL REPORT. Could you give me a LINK.

Thanks......

-- Tommy Rogers (Been there@Just a Thought.com), December 18, 1999.



--Too right, we see too much of the "friend of a friend" and "reliable source" crap. --

Tell us then, hamster. Are you preparing because you know for certain of things that ARE going to happen? Please tell us how you KNOW, so we can make more enlightened decisions. Why are you preparing at all, if it isn't Y2K yet?

Personally, I choose to base plans and contigencies on the best MD's prognosis and advice, not FOF.

-- WHAT! (??????@???.???), December 18, 1999.


The same reason why I don't listen to C4i. What are they afraid of? If they truly have proof and information to share with the world then come forward and let thyself be known. Quit with the "I've got a secret but I can't tell you who I am," crap. There's a difference between Mr. Yourdon and Mr. CEO, Ed has balls and no one even knows if Mr. CEO exists.

-- Rasty (Rasty@bulldoggg.xcom), December 18, 1999.

Orson:

I think that you have it backwards. Mr. CEO is ignoring everyone. Or so it seems; if he exists; IMHO.

Best wishes,,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 18, 1999.


Does anyone know the real identity of "Deep Throat", infamous from the Nixon debacle? Do you still have doubts that he really ever existed? - If not, why not? Just because a couple of cub reporters told us so?

I'm leery, but not cynical, about any and all sources. But one must make or take a stand based on opaque information all the time.

-- What! (??????@???.???), December 18, 1999.


Please, I need a link to Mr. CEO's intial report.

Thanks.....

-- Tommy Rogers (Been there@Just a Thought.com), December 18, 1999.



What!,

Great point.

Bob

-- Bob (bob@bob.com), December 18, 1999.


Tommy, go to Gary North...it's either under power grid or domino effect. One is called something like, "if this man is right, you'll wish you had prepared more".

To the rest of you: I've heard of healthy skepticism, but I think you are being ridiculous. Are you saing that Jim Lord is a liar?

Do you believe that he is PROBABLY telling the truth but may be lying? If thats the case, then that means Mr.CEO is probably real but may not be. If this is so, then I suggest you go out and get some more ammo...

-- Orson Wells (wells@whitebulb.com), December 18, 1999.


Orson: I don't know whether Mr. CEO is real. Mr. Lord and Mr. North say he is. But there is so much disinformation on all sides in this issue that the only reasonable way to approach it is to filter out 'friend or a friend' stories. Understand, I'm not saying that Mr. CEO is not real - only that, for my purposes, I have to treat him as if he weren't real.

Frankly, it's my opinion that there's enough truly scary documented and credible material in the GAO reports alone to warrant massive preparations. Alas, much of the rest of world disagrees with me on this issue. So over the last year and a half I have prepared as much as humanly possible, always keeping in mind (praying in fact) that I could be wrong about the risks posed by Y2K.

If Mr. CEO's 'best case scenario' is anywhere close to accurate, the implications are deadly serious. Because of an unprepared and uncooperative population, things could easily go 9-10 on the Y2K scale. Nothing that Mr. CEO could say at this late date would make any difference at all. Nada. Zip. The time is gone. The cards have all been dealt.

Our best hope is that Mr. CEO is either not real or not accurate. I'm hoping for the latter. My family and I are quite prepared to go weeks without electricity or jobs if need be. We are prepared to help a few of our neighbors and relatives. We are prepared to stay in out homes and remain calm. We are prepared to not be part of the problem. But we are not even close to prepared to survive the widespread chaos that will most certainly result should Mr. CEO's assessment be close to correct. I think the implications are revealed in the saying (paraphrasing) 'a society is never more than 3 meals away from a revolution'. I'm not real big on revolutions. Most are highly overrated.

Unfortunately, the time for Mr. CEO to come forward and share his knowledge has long since passed. Forget about him unless more information is forthcoming.

We have done as much as we could in the time allotted. We intend to spend the next couple of weeks relaxing, spending time with friends and family, and enjoying the Christmas season.

We shall know all too soon whether reality agrees with Mr. CEO...

-- Arnie Rimmer (Arnie_Rimmer@usa.net), December 18, 1999.


12 more days

-- 12 (then@start.toknow), December 18, 1999.

How can you judge the credibility of a ghost? Maybe he exists, maybe he doesn't. Who knows?
gee, the same could/has been said about certain middle eastern cults and their beliefs...

-- Hmmm (err@uhm.hmm), December 18, 1999.


Wells said Arnie

-- Orson Wells (wells@whitebulb.com), December 18, 1999.

hehe, well I mean :)

-- Orson Wells (wells@whitebulb.com), December 18, 1999.

Sometimes, as soon as I get my thoughts together someone like Arnie comes along and expresses them better than I could have anyway.

-- Regularly (lurking@home.dot), December 18, 1999.

If you hadn't told me he was a CEO I might not be ignoring him, but I can no more believe a CEO than a politician.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 18, 1999.

Hawk-

I believe Moses was a CEO. [g] Or was he a lawyer?

-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), December 18, 1999.


Orson, excellent point, Jim Lord is a pillar of credibility and cannot be ignored.
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), December 18, 1999.

I'd be interested to plot the timelines of two events and see how they relate/intersect:

The appearance of "Mr. CEO" on the scene and his planned appearance on net radio,

and

The embedded systems meeting at the White House in early November. This ultimately led to the bombshell from Dept. of Commerce on 11/22 (even systems without obvious clocks could fail and need to be tested. Nobody did.)

Paula Gordon provided us with a detailed description of the White House event timeline on an earlier thread. (Anybody bookmark it?). Who has the history of the Mr. CEO story?

I'm wondering if Mr. CEO skipped the public expose' and tried to go right to the top.

-- Lewis (aslanshow@yahoo.com), December 18, 1999.


Tommy: Email me for the file. this addy is legit. (just in case I forgot to send this msg before)

-- Liz (lizpavek@hotmail.com), December 18, 1999.

If Mr. CEO is a real person, and I think he is. I would like to say that I think you are a coward for backing out of your interview. I bet Mr. Lord probably thinks the same thing also. But would never publicly admit it. Hell if I remember correctly,I don't recall that he was even going to reveal his real name. Or was he? If he wasn't, I would have taken Jim Lords word that he was the genuine article based on his reputation alone. As it stands now Mr.CEO has shamed Jim Lord simply by not doing the interview, and casting doubt on his integrity. Just My Not So Humble Opinion.

-- ~***~ (~***~@earth.ebe), December 18, 1999.

I have always thought it possible that the whole system would tumble down. Anyway, we have prepped as much as we have preppred, trying to hedge our bets, etc. We have six months of food, vitamins, and dental floss in a nice location--spent a bundle--and live, or die, we'll see. It sure will be an interesting journey.

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), December 18, 1999.

I agree with -- ~***~ -- If you are so sure and you don't warn the public, IN PERSON UP FRONT, you don't stand for a whole lot in my book. There is NO excuse.

-- Sheri (wncy2k@nccn.net), December 18, 1999.

LEWIS: Interesting thought. By going to the gov't he could use a "credible" voice. But even if that's what happened, Commerce's statement accomplished nothing.

An important point to all: although I believe Jim Lord did say he knows Mr. CEO has serious concerns about embeddeds, I believe he also said he never heard him make the statement attributed to him by another souce, about prolonged outages, dirty power for a year, etc.

-- Bill Byars (billbyars@softwaresmith.com), December 19, 1999.


Let's say Michael Cherry is Mr. CEO. He blows the y2k whistle on date-sensitive embedded chips his consulting company is finding. He is scheduled to go on interview. The GI world waits with bated breath. He is contacted by the White House, invited to meet with John Koskinen and other experts. They listen gravely and then "request" of him that he cancel his interview--confiding that they already know how bad it will be and are engaging emergency action plans. Cherry strikes a deal with them. If they will strongly suggest companies and agencies review their embedded chip situation in light of what his company has discovered, he will cancel the interview. Koskinen routes the warning through the Commerce Department to help disguise the true source of the information. End of story. Hey, why do you need the interview? Look at the information in the report. Goodbye Televisonland, where nothing is real. Hello, hunger, thirst, poverty, privation, and probably plenty of insurrection. Guys, the reality check is in the mail. Mr. CEO already sent it. Stop whining and check your box.

-- StanTheMan (heidrich@presys.com), December 19, 1999.

DELETE, DELETE, DELETE...

-- Doug (Doug@itsover.com), December 19, 1999.

Hey Stan: The W.H. told Mr. CEO that he would keep his mouth shut or be prosecuted. The Year 2000 Readiness and Information Disclosure Act, Public Law 105-271, places public utility companies in a position whereby the truth about their Y2k preparations can not be released to the general public. The law makes Year 2000 information exempt from release even under the Freedom of Information Act. The law says: "Any year 2000 statements or other information provided by a party in response to a special year 2000 data gathering request made under this subsection (A), shall be exempt from disclosure under subsection (b)(4) or section 552 of title 5, United States Code, commonly known as the "Freedom of Information Act"; (B) shall not be disclosed to any third party." Stuart Rodman had an article about this in Sightings.com. It's called 'Corporate America Under Siege: The Undeclared State of Emergency.' This is why NO ONE IS TALKING!!!!!!! THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!!!!!

-- *** (***@***.com), December 19, 1999.

Why DELETE DELETE DELETE, Doug? I honestly believe that something like this probably happened. Do you think otherwise? Is so, please post. I am listening. And to ***@***... thank you for the excellent reference. I'm with you on this, not against you. It seems to me, though, that CEO/Cherry could interview without violating the law, as long as he named no names. That is why I think any threat made was VERY subtle, and on the face remained only a "request" to hew to the Administration's goals. We all sneer at the President, but it is EXTREMELY difficult to refuse a Presidential request, probably.

-- StanTheMan (heidrich@presys.com), December 19, 1999.

Tommy,

I think this might be the link you're looking for on GN's site about Mr. CEO:

http://www.garyno rth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/6776

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), December 19, 1999.


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