"...133 years ago that the Indians launched a devestating attack on some army troops."

And John Wayne kicked their ass, so, what's your point.

-- Uncle Bob (UNCLB0B@AOL.COM), December 16, 1999.

I think the 22nd or 23rd are really more likely attack dates than dec. 31st. The early attack would give them time for strike assesments and follow ups, and Dec. 21st is Stalins birthday. Russia traditionally celebrates this occaision with huge military parades which could easily be used to camoflage last minute preps for a surprise attack. Not to mention the symbolic signifigance.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 16, 1999.

thanks for the music!!! luv Suzza and marching bands. made me feel good.

-- bob (bb@myhouse.com), December 16, 1999.

Nikoli,

Haven't you ever heard of Mutually Assured Destruction???

It's not just a breakfast cereal you know.

If the Russians were going to attack they would have done it twenty years plus ago when Kennedy kicked their Communist asses out of Cuba, and when they still had the motivation and money to do it.

-- (why@do. I have to do all the thinking?), December 16, 1999.

Let the Russians come, they'll just set up Macdonald's franchises.

This site has become toast.

DELETE DELETE DELETE.....

-- Infidel (Barbarians@thegate.com), December 16, 1999.

We're Toast:

What the hell are talking about. Does a nuke need a fullmoon to suprise us? Paratroopers?? Oh, I get it. Trying to turn any lurkers away from this forum. Hmm..do I smell a troll??

Delete

Delete

Delete this shit

-- Familyman (prepare@home.com), December 16, 1999.

MAD is a dead concept. We killed and buried that beast here long ago. You need to do a little homework before making statements which show you to be less than informed.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 16, 1999.

Nik,

Come on... if it were a dead issue the nukes would have flown years ago. The point is... if one side launches, the other side launches, and everyone dies. Don't tell me that the concept of mutually assured destruction is dead because that is ludicrous. It's not a fashion, or a fad. It's a fact.

-- (not@uninformed.at all), December 16, 1999.

Wasn't it Wild Bill Klinton who said just last year that we would NOT launch until something here had blown up?

-- Ken Jackson (Kjackso@max.state.ia.us), December 16, 1999.

OK not unimformed. Our current launch policy under Klinton is NO retaliatory launch until verification of impacts on American soil. There goes everything except the subs. Out of eighteen tridents only four are at sea at any given time. Half of the missles have been removed from each Trident. The Launch codes have been removed from the Tridents. Each of the missiles on the Tridents is capable of carrying ten warheads, but are currently armed with only one each. The Tridents are outnumbered ten to one by Soviet hunter killer subs, not to mention the Chinese and Iranians, and North Koreans. The only way they can get the launch codes is by two ELF antenna arrays located in the continental U.S., which will be the first things hit in an attack. Klinton has removed all tactical nukes from our surface navy. All American nuclear weapons have been removed from Europe. Now please point out to me where MAD is?

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 16, 1999.

Thank you, Nikoli Krushev. I get so tired of people bringing up MAD as the reason why a nuclear first strike by the Russians just simply can't happen. And I am NOT a Troll!!! I am one who simply believes Y2K preps don't help at ground zero, no matter how thorough they are. I just think we need to keep getting the warning out to the people that preparing for Y2K without any simultaneous prep for the likely Russian attack is just money and time vaporized. I am approximately 3 miles from one US minuteman silo, and 4 from another. Also am close to a major airbase (17 miles) and a missle command and control center. I don't expect to survive.

-- We're toast (itwasnicewhile@itlasted.com), December 16, 1999.

We're toast. Man I'd consider a vacation away from home for a couple of weeks!!! I live next to a second level target myself, so I know what you're feeling. I really don't think the Russians are going to launch on us, but the incentive and the opportunity are there, and Yeltsin seems to have lost his mind, so all bets are off. It's kind of like the difference between driving an unfamiliar country road during the daylight or after dark with only one headlight. No way to put numbers on the increase in risk, but it is apparent just the same. I'm taking it seriously enough that I have taken the entire month of December off and have a fully loaded 4 wheel drive sitting on go in the yard.

-- Nikoli Krushev (Doomsday@y2000.com), December 16, 1999.

Nikoli, I agree with Dec 23rd as an ideal date for the Russians to strike. That evening especially, will find the U.S. at a very low point of readiness. Are you dreaming of a Red Xmas nightmare?

-- Slobby Don (slobbydon@hotmail.com), December 16, 1999.

I had a very disturbing dream the other night involving a full moon in the daylight sky, but I really don't want to go into it. For what it's worth some of my dreams come true but 99 % don't and usually I can't tell which will be which when I have them. This precognitive business is more of a curse than a blessing.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 16, 1999.

www.syzygyjob.com

-- (normally@ease.notnow), December 16, 1999.

I believe Nikoli is right on about our state of readiness, the Russian's situation and opportunity prior to the rollover. Some have also suggested that the Chechen situation is just a cover for a buildup of Russian troops readying for attack on us.

For those prophecy students out there - there have been prophetic visions of Russians attacking the US via subs off both coasts. They have also had visions of the Russians invading the central part of the US from the north after nukes take out our coastal population centers. Some include internal strikes first (suitcase nukes?) to help take out infrastructure.

I have maintained all along that the major concern, initally at least, on US soil will be the terrorism and/or outright attack from foreign enemies. I think we're quickly approaching prime time (next two weeks) for serious events in this country like we've never seen before and that most US citizens think it couldn't happen. We've never been weaker. Out troops are spread all over the world. Our president has dessimated the military and it's readiness. He sold us out, along with our secrets, to China. Both Russia and China have made muclear threats to us. All the events coming together point to major problems.

I guess we'll soon see.

I live about 10 miles from the unified command + control base (Stratcom - used to be SAC Headquarters) just south of Omaha, NE. I figured we'd be pretty close to ground zero. But I've been giving serious consideration to many issues over the past couple of years related to survival in the event we're not.

Lord help us. Pray it doesn't happen. For me and my house - we put our trust in the Lord and have accepted Him into our lives as Saviour and Lord. That's the only assurance I have and can lean on. That our whole family will meet on the other side no matter what.

-- Duck the (Russians@are.comming), December 16, 1999.

Thank you, Nikoli Krushev. I get so tired of people bringing up MAD as the reason why a nuclear first strike by the Russians just simply can't happen. And I am NOT a Troll!!! I am one who simply believes Y2K preps don't help at ground zero, no matter how thorough they are. I just think we need to keep getting the warning out to the people that preparing for Y2K without any simultaneous prep for the likely Russian attack is just money and time vaporized. I am approximately 3 miles from one US minuteman silo, and 4 from another. Also am close to a major airbase (17 miles) and a missle command and control center. I don't expect to survive.

-- We're toast (itwasnicewhile@itlasted.com), December 16, 1999.

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We're toast. Man I'd consider a vacation away from home for a couple of weeks!!! I live next to a second level target myself, so I know what you're feeling. I really don't think the Russians are going to launch on us, but the incentive and the opportunity are there, and Yeltsin seems to have lost his mind, so all bets are off. It's kind of like the difference between driving an unfamiliar country road during the daylight or after dark with only one headlight. No way to put numbers on the increase in risk, but it is apparent just the same. I'm taking it seriously enough that I have taken the entire month of December off and have a fully loaded 4 wheel drive sitting on go in the yard.

-- Nikoli Krushev (Doomsday@y2000.com), December 16, 1999.

Nuts.

I'm right beside Norad. I'm freakin' toast.

Seriously - I expect in the next three weeks some premptive strikes - who knows where (Taiwan, India, Pakistan, Israel, The USA (Bio, suitcase - I won't go into this...) - we'll soon see...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), December 16, 1999.

Nikoli,

Do you really think that American military leaders would actually follow an order they KNOW would place us at terminal risk? I'd bet that they have told the CINC they did it, but keep many more active under a 'drill' status or some such redefinition of reality.

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), December 16, 1999.

TECH 32, we can always hope :-). I'm not very reassured by the fact that our last ten Joint Chiefs of Staff have been CFR members though.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 16, 1999.

If any of you believe that we will actually absorb a first hit before launching then you are exactly as dumb as we hope our enemies are, and you vastly underestimate General Shelton and our Joint Chiefs of Staff.

There is a BIG difference between political and military strategy, and though I seriously doubt that Clinton would hesitate for one second, the fact of the matter is our military commanders are not going to wait. MAD is alive and well, and we will have verification of any launch by Russia within a few seconds, if not before it even happens. The concern about how many subs the U.S. claims to have in the water is irrelevant because these days the U.S. is NATO, and NATO subs are close enough to Russia to hammer them as soon as a launch by them is confirmed, so Moscow will be hit long before anywhwere in the U.S..

Russia knows this, and that is why they are scared to death and flexing their limp muscles and boasting with false bravado. They can't even competently deal with a couple hundred Checnyan rebels, and unless they are completely suicidal they would not even attempt a fight with NATO.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 17, 1999.

I dunno Hawk, I don't trust those Russkies.

They are pretty good at chess.

They have patience.

Their women are beautiful.

They like vodka.

Yeltsin's in charge (allegedly - although I don't really believe it).

They are desperate.

They have nothing to lose...

The only reason I can think of why they may NOT launch a first strike (should all these stories of a plan since 1934 prove to be valid) is GREED... those in power now live like KINGS... the mafia do, they look after the politico's too... they have their Dacha's, their foreign trips where they go to restaurants and make fools of themselves and only pay in $100 bills - the families of those with power are looked after and by default are looke ***OVER***, - it is not in the interest of these criminal classes which now are pervasive in all Russian society to risk annihilation...

I hope...(gulp)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), December 17, 1999.

I don't expect the major Russian nuclear attack upon America until we go to war with China over Taiwan. When Alexander Lebed gains more power, America will be in deep danger.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), December 17, 1999.

Listen, I can understand that some of you guys fear Russia because of their current instability, especially Yeltsin, but even their own military officers do not think he should be allowed to have control in his condition, and I think they are still sane enough to not allow him to do anything stupid.

I realize that some of you like to use Clinton's laid-back political attitudes as an indication that we are in trouble, but I think you're allowing your political opinions to distort your views.

The fact of the matter is that we are The New World Order and NATO's #1 star f*cking country, and they do not intend to stand by and let us be destroyed. These guys mean business. Now I am not all that thrilled with this New World Order plan, but if you have to be on one side of it you had better be on their side, and we in the U.S. are in their most valued territory.

Now take a look at these articles and tell me that General Shelton and NATO commander Wesley Clark are going to put up with any shit from Russia. You talk about itchy trigger fingers, these guys can't wait to pulverize Russia. Clark tried to start World War III with Russia back in June, and he will not hesitate to do it next time.

http://cnn.co m/US/9909/09/shelton.nato/index.html

http://cnn.com/199 9/US/12/09/clark.pentagon/

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 17, 1999.

A powerful leader can inspire and polarize a nation.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), December 17, 1999.

I'm with dinosaur re: China. NASA allegedly GAVE them our missile tech, including trouble shooting techniques, cause China gave a low bid to launch their satellites, then crashed X3! IBM sold them a supercomputer to let them calculate into their launch tragetory a knat's fart in Omaha at 80 feet on the NE corner of Main and Maple. These companies profited financially, but... uh oh.

But heck, I've lived in the inner city. I've worked in a max security jail. As long as the nation doesn't contract Persian Gulf Syndrome, hell hath no fury....

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 17, 1999.

The Pentagon and NATO commanders are doing what the CFR and New World Order elite are telling them to do, not necessarily what Clinton says. Clinton is a puppet, the perfect front man for the kind of bullshit politics that they are trying to get the rest of the world to buy into. So the Russians aren't buying it yet, but that does not mean the NWO is going to let them be an obstacle. Like everything that the New World Order does, if at first they don't succeed, they will try, try again, and eventually get what they want. They might prefer to avoid conflict with Russia in order to preserve her resources, but any threat to the U.S. will be met with severe punishment. I know that Andy understands how the NWO works, and I believe Nikoli use to know, but lately he seems to have forgotten (no offense intended Nik, just the way I see it).

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 17, 1999.

Ok you guys have pulled the New World Order card out, and it's a legit one so let's discuss it. We're all aware of the actions having led to this point, namely the civil war, the institution of the federal reserve, the league of nations, and the U.N., the CFR, Trilateral commision, and the Bildegergers. We're all aware that Bill Clinton is a member of the last three named organizations and is a died in the wool one world government socialist with aspirations of being the first one world president. Everybody knows the United States created modern Russia, and that key American millionaires helped put Hitler into power and keep him there. We're all aware of the shady dealings of our CIA around the world involving drug running, arms smuggling, Coup's, and the financing of various terrorist groups. We have all seen Bill Clinton sytematically destroy the american military and bring NATO to the point of disolvement. Even as we speak the Europeans are forging a New alliance excluding the U.S. I'm going to give you my interpretation of events, projected results, and predictions as to where all this is going. 1. basic politics 101: We have three basic political philosophies which have dominated this century. Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 17, 1999.

Bill Gates strikes again, damn him. I hit the submit key and my computer locked up. Over an hour composing that post and it went up in smoke. Oh well, it's late and I'm sleepy. Maybe tomorrow.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 17, 1999.

o.k. let's all take our anti-anxiety medication at the same time...ready...go...gulp! gooood boys

-- chillpill (um@what.com), December 17, 1999.

Hawk,

I'd believe you if it were Gen Sholli but I don't know enough about Shelton.

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), December 17, 1999.

I wouldn't be so sure that Clinton is privy to the highest levels of information on the NWO agenda. I think he actually believes the end goal is World Peace, but we know from observing previous activity of the NWO that the real goal has more to do with money and power. I also am not at all convinced that he has actually been dismantling our military to the extent that you allege he has. NATO is not being dissolved either, they are getting more and more powerful. His job as a puppet politician in this grand scheme is to convey the illusion that we are scaling things down in the interest of peace. But since the U.S. is the biggest piece of muscle in the NATO war machine, I doubt that the NWO head honchos would allow that scaling down to actually take place until we reach the point where the World is ruled by one government. This wouldn't be the first time that a president has been kept in the dark with respect to many aspects of military and national security. Does Clinton go and physically check all of our stockpiles to see that weapons have been eliminated? Do the Russians come over here and do inspections like we did in Iraq? Hell no! In fact I'd bet that we are actually scaling things up quite a bit, particularly with respect to very high technology and stealth type weapons. The only way we could afford to be cocky with the Russians and giving stuff to the Chinese is if we have got some really secret stuff that is a hell of a lot better, and this is not the kind of stuff that Jr. Nyquist or John Q. Public is going to know about.

It's like the expression says, "watch what they do, not what they say." Anyone who has studied the progression of the New World Order over the last couple of hundred years has got to know that they are not just going to throw in the towel when it is 4th down and they are 1 yard from the end zone. They have still got some big plays hidden up their sleeve, and they are about to use them. This whole Y2K thing has got me baffled because I cannot see how the government and the media can continually be telling us that everything is fixed when they know it isn't. They are going to use their infamous "problem-reaction-solution" scenario once again. As many of us have suspected for quite some time, I think the situation is going to be exploited, and some major power plays are going to go down, but the destruction of the NWO's prime real estate (U.S.A.) is the farthest thing from their mind.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 17, 1999.

General Sholli?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 17, 1999.

Shallikashvili.

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), December 17, 1999.

Shallikashvili. Junior Past Chief JCS.

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), December 17, 1999.

Nikoli,

How come now you believe Klintons word on a delayed counterstrike when it's obvious he lies about everything else?

Seems to me that is a very disconnected theory.

-- (not@uniformed. at all), December 17, 1999.

The NWO has NATO for its military. NATO's guts is the U.S. Take out the U.S. military, NATO is forced to surrender. The NWO has tried to persuade, befriend, cajole, and buy the communists. They have failed miserably. In their attempts, they have weakened the U.S. through treaties of disarmament. They made a big mistake. They thought they were dealing with rational, civil, money hungry leaders like themselves. Communists hate capitalists, they hate America, and they have their OWN world agenda.

Now the following are facts not opinions:

Across the globe there is a RAPID and UNPRECEDENTED mobilization of rocket forces:

1. N.Korea. In mid-October the N. Korean General Staff began deploying masses of rockets and conventional artillery on the frontier with South Korea. They have also stockpiled up to 5,000 tons of chemical munitions and unknown quantities of weaponized smallpox. The S. Korean military has reported that the Communists are building five new tactical missile launch facilites, four of them near the S. Korean border. The N. Koreans also have augmented their submarine forces this year from 60 to 90 boats. The N. Korean press is hinting about an approaching thermonuclear war. The N.Korean General Staff is behaving as if total war is imminent.

Gen. Thomas Schwartz, Chliton's nominee to head U.S. forces in Korea, recently wrote to Congress on the situation, "The most threatening ongoing force development is the massie fielding of artillery and multiple rocket launcher systems in underground facilities near the demilitarized zone."

2.China has massed between 500 and 600 short range missiles against Taiwan. China is calling for retaliation for the bombing of their embassy and intervention into Kosovo.

They are arming their Navy destroyers with nuclear-capable anti-ship missiles in November. In November, The PL ARMY of China began loading merchant ships with tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery.

3. In Russia, an intensive war mobilization is taking place. According to Pravda, Russian reservists are being fully mobilized. In November Russia's 100 combat divisions, usually one quarter full, was filled to permanent readiness. On Nov. 10th Defense Minister Igor Sergeyev said that all full strength combat divisions were ready for war.

Russia is telling her people that they are in grave danger from NATO since KOSOVO, thereby, gaining their backing of Russian war plans.

Russia has dispatched strategic bombers to Cuba and Vietnam.

On Nov. 12th Col.Gen. Valery Manilov, deputy chief of the Russian General Staff, offered the following psychotic outburst on Russian television: "When aggression cannot be stopped by conventional weapons, when it poses a threat to the very existence of Russia and its people then Russia has the right to use all its potential in defense of its sovereignty, including its nuclear potential."

Russia has cuts its exports of oil, jet fuel, gold and metal dramatically over the last year. Strange for a country so bankrupt. According to Soviet military strategy, stockpiling of these resources precede war. And don't forget "West 99".

I could go on. The NWO (the capitalists) have lost control of their agenda. They have foolishly miscalulated the ruthlessness and committment of Communists to their agenda of world dominion. I have not even mentioned Iraq, Iran and Libya nor Osama bin Laden.

The world is on the verge of a major cataclysmic event. Some observers like myself, see y2k as a tripwire to these events. If not, it only means a little more time, but the confrontation is inevitable. My hope and trust is in God. He is in control, Psalm 2, 11. Isaiah 8:10-17.,br>
Pastor Bob
Nahum 1:7
Ezk.14

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), December 17, 1999.

For what it's worth Nik,

I always compose long message in MS Word and then cut and paste them in here, for just the reason you encountered. What a shame; I always enjoy your thoughts here.

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), December 17, 1999.

Hahahahahaha!

You're all lunatics. Last thing I heard, the Russians were digging a tunnel from Moscow towards Washington. Also, they've got several rockets stationed on Mars, which is why the NASA mission there failed (it was blown up by Russian troops). Finally, I heard Yeltsin is in fact an alien and.... wait, Elvis is on the phone. Gotta go.

Rogier

-- Rogier (Rogier_Gerritzen@Yahoo.com), December 17, 1999.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters19991217_2344.html

Hope Chechens don't have any new toys from their Muslim bros...

-- C (c@c.com), December 17, 1999.

Nik,

Waiting for your future scenario.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), December 18, 1999.