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Subject: Fwd: The Government is Watching From: tndrmtnwm- Forwarded for your information.

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:19:35 -0500 To: jhardi-@mindspring.com From: Jim Hardin freedompag-@mindspring.com Subject: The Government is Watching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends,

Hi Folks,

I'll try to get right to the point here.

Ever since the "Justice" Department decided that the American People were the ENEMY OF THE STATE and decided to track Internet activity and email communications of private, law abiding citizens under the BOGUS excuse that anyone could at anytime be conducting criminal or terrorist activity on the Internet I have been curious as to how this tracking was taking place.

The first method that I found to look at the connections I was making via the Interent was with a little utility that comes with Microsoft Windows 98. The utility is called TRACERT. A friend of mine told me about that utility.

If you want to see how many connections you have to go through in order to get to YOUR ISP, do this: Shell out to the Dos command line and type the following:

TRACERT (YOUR ISP ADDRESS)

As an example, if earthlink.net was your ISP you would type the following:

TRACERT EARTHLINK.NET

The report you will get back will look something like this below:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tracing route to www.earthlink.net [207.217.78.100] over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 127 ms 118 ms 111 ms tnt1.coos-bay.or.da.uu.net [206.115.154.135] 2 120 ms 116 ms 120 ms 207.76.37.77 3 125 ms 116 ms 120 ms Fddi0-0.GW1.POR2.ALTER.NET [137.39.44.67] 4 129 ms 131 ms 116 ms 121.ATM3-0.XR1.SEA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.200.186] 5 125 ms 117 ms 119 ms 195.ATM2-0.TR1.SEA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.200.98] 6 164 ms 168 ms 157 ms 110.ATM7-0.TR1.LAX2.ALTER.NET [146.188.137.149] 7 158 ms 157 ms 158 ms 199.ATM7-0.XR1.LAX4.ALTER.NET [146.188.248.245] 8 169 ms * * 193.ATM7-0.GW4.LAX4.ALTER.NET [152.63.113.97] 9 153 ms 157 ms 160 ms earthlink-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.231.222] 10 162 ms 169 ms 170 ms f4-1-0-br02-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.1.2] 11 f0-0-0-ds01-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.50.142] reports: Destination net unreachable.

Trace complete. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ While that report showed me that I had to actually go through various systems to get to my Earthlink ISP (on line 9) that information really didn't tell me WHERE those various other systems were located *OR* who was operating them. At the time that I was using the TRACERT utility I was quite curious about that 207.76.37.77 address which is shown on line #2.

Just the other day that same friend who had told me about TRACERT called me up and told me about another rather interesting program called VISUAL ROUTE.

What this program did, he said, was that it actually showed you, all the stops or "hops" along the Internet that your telephone connection makes as you log onto the Internet and connect to your ISP. It then can show you how many stops or "hops" your computer connection has made on the Internet as you go about your way browsing the World Wide Web with a web browser.

What this program did, which was rather interesting, It provide some additional information on WHERE those ISP connections were PHYSICALLY located.

The first time I used this program was after I had dialed into the Internet with my web browser. What I did was to log onto the Internet and connect up with Earthlink using my web browser. Then I stopped and loaded up Visual Route and typed in the "earthlink.net" address in the upper left hand corner where it asks for an ISP address. I then clicked the green arrow. The Visual Route program then showed me that IN ORDER TO GET TO MY ISP, Earthlink, I had to **FIRST** go through a whole number of systems INCLUDING a system located in Fairfax, Virginia.

You know what's in Virginia, don't you? That's where Langley Air Force Base is located. That where the Navy keeps major naval intelligence related facilities. Fairfax, Virginia is also where the FBI keeps one of their main national forensic offices.....including information on cyber terrorism! In addition, the CIA also maintains operations out of some offices in Virginia. Interesting, no?

So, just *WHY* do you suppose they are routing ISP connections through Fairfax, Virginia, eh? Well, this is only MY own personal opinion, but what it looks like is that it is *IN* FAIRFAX VIRGINIA that the FBI has set up the Internet monitoring computer system for the purpose of watching U.S. Citizens as they conduct their PRIVATE business affairs on the Internet.

Well, back to the Visual Route program... Are you curious to see if *YOU* are being FIRST routed to Fairfax, Virginia BEFORE being allowed to go anywhere else on the Internet? ( As you will learn later in this letter, not "ALL" U.S. citizens are being tracked like this via Fairfax Virginia.)

Ok then, the first thing you need to do is to download a shareware program called Visual Route.

Here's the url to the official download page of the Visual Route shareware program. The program is a tad over 2 megs in size:

Visual Route Download Page

After you download that program and install it, load it up the next time you are on-line on the Internet with your web browser.

Once the program is loaded up, type in your ISP web address in the upper left-hand corner like what is shown below in the screen captures.

My Internet ISP address is earthlink.net. So, I entered "earthlink.net" in the slot up in the upper left hand corner.

After you enter your ISP address hit that little green arrow next to where you just entered your ISP web address and the Visual Route program will go out and log (list) all the locations (Computer systems) that you had to go through in order to get to your present destination.

What you will see on the Visual Route screen is a ton of information INCLUDING ISP addresses that you have been routed through in order to get to where you are on the Internet.. Look at the screen capture below.

After the program is finished logging in all the various connections you have made look over to the right under LOCATION.

Does your program list FAIRFAX VIRGINIA 22031?

Look at the screen captures below. I've posted three screen captures below. (1) One of the screen captures shows all the ISP systems I had been routed through in order to get onto the Internet. (2) The Second screen capture shows all the ISP computer systems I had to go through before getting to an AUSTRALIAN web site. (3) And the third screen capture shows information relating to all of the ISP systems I had been routed through in order to get to a web site located in England.

Please note that no matter where I went, after I ran the Visual Route program to see where I had been I ALWAYS found that I had FIRST been routed through FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA!

SO YOU WILL KNOW:

NOT ALL people ARE being routed through Fairfax, Virginia! If you ARE NOT politically outspoken and/or if you have NOT publically voiced your disgust with the utterly corrupt and moral degenerate Administration in Washington D.C. then the chances are that you are *NOT* being routed THROUGH Fairfax, Virginia before gaining access to the Internet. Apparently ONLY THOSE who the government doesn't like are being watched and/or tracked.

I've talked to a good friend of mine who told me what he discovered after letting some of HIS friends know about the Visual Route program. He told me that he had talked to some folks who ARE NOT politically outspoken and who do not "advertise" their political beliefs. THOSE PEOPLE, who pretty much kept to themselves and who did not advertise their political opinions had also installed the Visual Route program and ran it.

THOSE PEOPLE...the people who have been quiet about their political beliefs WERE NOT ROUTED THROUGH FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA!!

Interesting, no?

Here's some screen snapshots I've made after I (1) connected to the Internet with my web browser, (2) after I went to an Australian News site, and (3) after I went to the Electronic Telegraph located in England. Notice that in all three situations after connecting to the Internet I'm being immediately routed to Fairfax, Virginia AND THEN on to my destination.

Welcome to the New American verson of the Russian KGB - THE FBI! In the screen snapshot I logged onto the Internet with my web browser, then I loaded up Visual Route and plugged in the address of "earthlink.net" to see how many places I had been routed to BEFORE getting to the Earthlink.Net ISP site. Notice first stop is Fairfax, Virginia. In the screen snapshot below you can see the information which was returned after I went to the Australian web site and entered THAT information into the "Host/URL" box in the upper left hand corner. Notice, first stop is Fairfax, Virginia. In this last screen capture notice that after plugging in the information for the Electronic Telegraph website "http://www.telegraph.co.uk" that Visual Route showed all the connections which were made across the country. Also notice that FIRST STOP, at Fairfax, Virginia. Go and get that program - Visual Route - install it and run it when you are on the Internet. See for yourself if you are being watched by the perverts back east who have nothing better to do with their time at their high paying jobs than to stick their sick, pathetic, noses into the private affairs of law abiding citizens of this country.

Les ==============((`================================================= <http://www.bignet.net/~eagleflt/> Uniting Patriots Is What We Do Best!!!!!!! ================================================================== EAGLEFLIGHT David E. Rydel ///, /// ***** \ /, / >.uNITED STATES Theatre Command \ /, _/ /. P.O. BOX 490 \_ /_/ /. Deckerville, MI 48427 \__/_ << Phone:810 376 4538 /<<<<<< \_\_ Fax: 810 376 4524 /,)^>>_._ \ (/ \\ /\\\ To Subscribe Send Post To // ```` EAGLEFLT@bignet.net ==============((`================================================= Note: I have downloaded this software, and indeed, my internet travels seem to be making an unscheduled stop in Herndon, VA. When I questioned Sprint about this all I got was the usual ignorance. If anyone else cares to download this, I would be very interested in hearing the results.

Regards



-- Infidel (Barbarians@thegate.com), December 14, 1999

Answers

Infidel,

I found out several weeks ago that I am routed through Fairfax, Virginia. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of the posters on here are.

Paranoia at it's best, hey?

-- (Polly@troll.com), December 14, 1999.


This is a load of crap. The government can monitor anything it wants to, but this is not how its done. You have to put a sniffer between the target and his ISP. The routing of the Internet is done on the fly by a myriad of possible interconnected routers, which are dynamically chosen based on the shortest hop times.

-- huh? (@ .), December 14, 1999.

So.. are "they" Mac compatible?

NSA please note: add "caffe latte" to your list.

But then... I'm quite sure I'm routed through Langley... without even checking!

*Grin*

Have a "nice" day.

Diane

(BTW, please add John Koskinen to the list. Ciao!)

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), December 14, 1999.


This is MOST INTERESTING !

-- Rob (maxovrdrv51@hotmail.com), December 14, 1999.

I went to the Visual Route website and it stated that its server is located in Fairfax, VA. Since they use their server to trace your ISP traffic, this may be why your traffic was routed there.

-- Ken G. (None@this.time), December 14, 1999.


Get a life, folks. GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Vernon Hale (create@premiernet.net), December 14, 1999.

Well, I'm pretty skeptical myself. I talked to Sprintmail tech support in depth, no one could give me an acceptable explanation. Their servers are in Pasadena. Nothing in Herndon VA.

On the other hand this post comes from someone with an obvious cross to bear. But, it makes me wonder.

Just trying to make conversation sinse you didn't like my first effort at humor.

Cheers

-- Infidel (Barbarian@thegate.com), December 14, 1999.


MAE East, a major Internet peering point where almost ALL of the major Internet backbone carriers come together, is located in Fairfax, Virginia. It would naturally be one of the first hops for most Internet connections especially on the east coast but because of Internet routing issues it could be a first hop for almost anyone.

However, just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

%^>

Kris Gandillon

-- Kris Gandillon (krisg@y2kactiongroup.org), December 14, 1999.


Kris,

Not paranoid, I could actually care less.

-- Infidel (Barbarians@thegate.com), December 14, 1999.


This has already been discussed dozens of times before, and it's no big secret that the government is monitoring the entire internet. This forum is probably in the top 10% of their most closely watched areas because of all of the right-wing looney tunes discussing religious prophecies and nuclear attacks. Who cares, let them watch. If you're not doing anything wrong, then you've got no reason to worry.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 14, 1999.


Pasadena...

Aha! That explains it {I shoulda known}, the Royal Subjects of the Rose Queen Court...

Thanks for the heads up, Infidel.

Mark your calendars for New Years Day.

The Monkey Squawks at Midnight

-- flora (***@__._), December 14, 1999.


Has anyone of you ever heard of Echelon? You will very soon. Can't speak on it now because it seems to be highly classified. and I am afraid to say anything about it on the net. It has everything to do with what you are talking about here.

-- tired of worrying (halyman@bellsouth.net), December 14, 1999.

Is that spelled E-c-h-e-l-o-n?

Yes, I rather think we've heard of it.

;-D

Isn't it a numbers game? Rather like betting on horses?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), December 14, 1999.


I could be breaking security here, so if you don't hear from me again - well at least we had greenspun.

If you should want to pass as a member of the Rose Queen Court, raise your right hand and make a movement as if you are washing a window. Now, rhythmically repeat after me:

"Elbow, elbow;

Swish, swish;

Smile, and -

Blow a kiss!"

{Remember, you didn't hear it from me}

-- no it's not flora, not really (***@__._), December 14, 1999.


Hawk,

Isn't that what the Jews said? Just kidding, I couldn't resist.

-- Infidel (Barbarians@thegate.com), December 14, 1999.



"If you're not doing anything wrong, then you've got no reason to worry. "

Where have I heard that before?

-- Forrest Covington (theforrest@mindspring.com), December 14, 1999.


Let's practice our deep breathing exercises...

Can law enforcement gain access to and monitor your network traffic if they so desire? Absolutely. But as was pointed out, this would not be the ideal way to do it.

Kris is correct. MAE East (Metropolitan Area Exchange/Metropolitan Area Ethernet)is a major Internet traffic hub. It's one of the main locations where companies like UUNet, AGIS, GTE, MCI WorldCom, PSInet, and many others come together to interconnect their various private backbones (networks).

That you would regularly be routed through the Washington DC/Vienna, Va area is not surprising. But it has more to do with your geographical and topographical location than it does with your political pursuasion.

However, here's the clincher. From the trace you provided, it is likely that you live somewhere in the vicinity of Coos Bay, OR Your ISP is UUNet (or a smaller ISP that gets their connectivity directly from UUNet). And guess where UUNet's headquarters is at:

UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-UU-DIALUP-1996) 3060 Williams Drive, Suite 601 Fairfax, VA 22031 US

The IP address in question (207.76.37.77) is registered to UUnet. It belongs to a block of IP address that UUnet has named "NETBLK-UU-DIALUP-1996". From this, I would assume that the address block is used to provide dial-up Internet access services. (no big jump of logic there) From the trace, I suspect that it is a small router.

Traceroute (or the DOS version 'TRACERT') is a basic tool that is very, very old in Internet years. Traceroute and Ping are two protocols that network administrators frequently use to trouble-shoot connectivity problems.

Sorry, nothing ominous here that I can see.

-- Arnie Rimmer (Arnie_Rimmer@usa.net), December 14, 1999.


With all due respect Arnie,

It may still behoove Mrs. Rimmer to add 'the Wave' to her arsenal. Trust me, you never know when unusual measures may come in handy to win friends and influence people. { IMHO - it's much more ingratiating than that silly wave that certain monarchs are prone to exhibit}.

-- not flora again (***@__._), December 14, 1999.


tired of worrying,

You worry too much! It's not highly classified, in fact the ACLU has filed a lawsuit to put a stop to it.

ACLU vs. Echelon

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 14, 1999.


Hawk, don't you mean the ACLU has filed a lawsuit to push it under wraps? Heh, if it means the good guys catch those coward terrorists, then my tax dollars are well spent! Anyway, TPTB know I'm on my a$$ on the PC each night; the crazies are training now by chasing eachother down in the woods with blanks, as far as I can tell by their online intell reports.

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 15, 1999.

Infidel,

Good post. I wish you all could have read Don McAlvany's Intelligence Advisor. In short, all Clinton needs is any excuse to "take control". Y2k will be the catalyst. Too bad.

I love my country but it's the government I fear.

Tyranny is around the corner.

-- eyes wide open (djwolf@lanset.com), December 15, 1999.


Hokie,

How many terrorists has the government caught by searching the Internet for terms like "nuclear", "Waco", "FBI" and all the rest of their "keywords" that get typed on the Internet thousands of times every day?

Asama Bin Laden does not go typing his plans of terrorist attacks all over the Internet. I think they need to work a little harder than that to find real terrorists.

I think I prefer to keep my rights to freedom of speech and privacy without the government spying on me, thank you very much.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 15, 1999.


Does this mean Virginia isn't interested in me?

Tracing route to earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 16 ms 20 ms 20 ms 24.11.154.1

2 11 ms 8 ms 8 ms r1-fe0-0-100bt.elcjn1.sdca.home.net [24.4.64.1]

3 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms bb1-atm4-0.3-aal5layer.rdc1.sdca.home.net [10.4.126.9]

4 13 ms 6 ms 9 ms 24.7.72.13

5 12 ms 8 ms 8 ms c1-pos1-0.anhmca1.home.net [24.7.64.69]

6 12 ms 13 ms 15 ms c1-pos1-0.lsanca1.home.net [24.7.66.113]

7 14 ms 10 ms 18 ms home-gw.la2ca.ip.att.net [192.205.32.45]

8 12 ms 14 ms 14 ms gbr1-p10.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.123.28.118]

9 111 ms 97 ms 142 ms ar1-a300s2.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.127.3.133]

10 35 ms 47 ms 36 ms 12.127.21.34

11 30 ms 24 ms 27 ms f4-0-0-cr01-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.1.11]

12 28 ms 21 ms 22 ms f9-1-0-cs01-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.2.121]

Trace complete.



-- Slobby Don (slobbydon@hotmail.com), December 15, 1999.

Unless there has been a MAJOR moving job done in the last three years Langley AFB is located in Hampton, VA which is in the Norfolk area. Fairfax, VA is located about twenty miles from Langley, VA just across the Potomac from DC. But I don't see a sinister motive to your web routings.

That said, the reason your and a lot more internet routings got through Fairfax is because of how many internet service providers have their operations centers located there. And it seems that more are locating there every day.

If you read the want ads for high tech jobs you had better want to move to the DC area. I'm sure a local such as Cory can confirm it, the Fairfax area is promoting itself as the "Internet Silicon Valley". But it might just be the "Internet Valley of Death" with all those ISPs routing their services through one location, dependent on one local power provider and the local telco.

Single point of failure, anyone?

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), December 15, 1999.


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