Have things really changed since June 15, 1999 ??

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Here's the link:

2 out of 43?? Unbelievable!!>/A>

Ray

-- Ray (
ray@totacc.com), December 12, 1999

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Get it right Ray!!

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), December 12, 1999.

yep,ain't we more screwed than a prostitute at closing time.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), December 12, 1999.

Things have changed a lot! We are down from 180 to only 19 days remaining...or 18 with a full day for testing...

Actually, lotsa stuff has been fixed. It may not be enough, but it has been fixed.

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), December 12, 1999.


Very interesting and supports exactly what my earlier post about the link between Social Security, and the IRS.

Only 2 systems were compliant the Weather Service (who cares) and Social Security. If you look at the PDF file at the above link and examine the details about the Social Security system, you'll see the "Additinal Program Partners" for the system are the "Federal Reserve and the Treasury" (IRS would be even more accurate).

Why is this important for Y2K?

Because from the following thread

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001yzL

I posted the following in response to this question.

What this has to do with Y2K, is that it is odd that the only government agency that takes y2k seriously and has been doing fixes for 10 years is social security.

Social security is the means by which the IRS gets its teath into you. The IRS needs to collect money to pay to the Federal Reserve interst which as a private bank is for the benifit of the European Banker Families that own it and most other central banks around the world directly or via control through the IMF and World Bank.

If Social Security goes south, so does the IRS and so does the Federal Reserve. End of Story. So incase Social Secruity begins to flounder expect the military to be ouy to protect the IRS.

So for all you ostriches out there thinking that we are all consiparcy nuts, why not read some of the info in

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001yln

http://www-douzzer.ai.mit.edu:8080/conspiracy/comingbattle/cmgbtl.htm

http://www.oregontrail.net/~mmontagne/mcfadden.html

http://store.yahoo.com/realityzone/creature2.html

and see for yourself why some of the luminaries of America's past including the Constituional Framers, Jefferson, Jackson, McFadden, and others have fought tooth and nail to prevent Federal Reserve type instituions from being setup, even going so far as making them unconstitional.

The information provided in the second 2 links is not theory or opinion but directly from the Congressional Record.

The information from the second link is the full text of a book printed in 1899 showing from the congressional record the corruption of the European Bankers as they tried during the first 125 years of american history to set up no less than 4 such central banks. Read about the diligent efforts of Jefferson, Jackson and others to stop them. By 1899 all the systems for the Federal Reserve were already in place and the Federal Reserve came into being in 1913.

Read McFadden's speach to Congress questioning the Federal Reserve's practices among which were sending gold by the truckload to Germany just prior to WWII!!!

After all what have you got to loose, just a bit of time.

HOT HOT HOT NEWS

NASDAQ and NSYE have just changed the margin requirements for day traders from 75% to 25%. This is exactly what the Federal Reserve did just before the Crash. They pumped in billions of dollars into the economy, pumped up the stockmarket, underwrote the banks so that stocks could be bought with 5% margin and then on one day, stopped all credit and caused the crash. Greenspan has just put in between $70-$500 B into the market (depending on who you read), we know the market has been pumped with this cash, and now the day trading margin requirements have been relaxed. The final piece of the puzzle is now in play.

For the ignorant ostriches with their head in the sand there is a proverb:

Those who do not learn form history are doomed to repeat it.

End of Story.

-- Interested Spectator (is@aol.com), December 12, 1999.


Thanks! The link to McFadden's speech is tremendous.

The speech is now on my harddrive in it's entirety.

FFFFFFFFRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!

-- Will Huett (willhuett@usa.net), December 12, 1999.



Did somebody say "IRS"? Since I read the post from the 2 IRS Agents, I have been searching all kinds of stuff about the IRS. These guys were right. The income tax is indeed a scam. I'm going to get to the bottom of that and also get out of the tax system. I'm tired of my Government scamming me!! How about you guys? Below is what I found....

The only statutory liability that exists for income tax is the liability of the withholding agent and the employer for withheld taxes. The "Withholding agent" is the only "person" required under the law to withhold and pay income tax (on the earnings of foreigners). The employer withholds employment taxes.

No liability for tax is actually due to the US Treasury until the ACTUAL extent of that liability has been ASSESSED. Once a legal assessment has been exectuted THEN THE LIABILITY EXISTS, and the tax is due, and collection and enforcement actions may begin to secure and enforce payment.

WHEN YOU FILE A FORM 1040 YOU PERFORM A VOLUNTARY SELF ASSESSMENT THAT CREATES AND ESTABLISHES THE LIABILITY THAT PROVIDES THE NECESSARY JURISDICTION FOR THE IRS TO ENFORCE THE ASSESSMENT !

Even if you mis-apply the law in your self-assessment, the figures you calculate in your assessment are binding in a court of law. As we have shown you, if you refuse to VOLUNTARILY assess yourself, THERE IS NO AUTHORITY IN THE LAW TO ASSESS INCOME TAXES except those "shown on returns" (see Sec. 6201. Assessment Authority), and there is no legal authority properly delegated to either prepare or execute a Form 1040 for a citizen without that citizen's explicit "consent".

THE IRS IGNORES THE LAW AND ATTEMPTS TO STEAL YOUR MONEY ANYWAY !

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Interested Spectator - That was a great answer. Have you read HOW TO MAKE THE STOCK MARKET MAKE MONEY FOR YOU by Ted Warren published in 1966. The title sounds corney but it is in my opinion one of the very best books ever written on investing. He very bluntly states that stock prices are manipulated.

The change in margin requirements is news to me but then again I have been out of the market for over a year and as such don't keep up on the details. This change / lowering of margin requirements is literally pouring gasoline on a raging fire.

No doubt about it, there will soon be a market crash which will surely have its unique place in the history books.

"Its hard to see a BUBBLE when you are on the inside looking out."

-- Ed (ed@lizzardranch.com), December 12, 1999.


NYSE, Nasdaq to Tighten Rules for Daytraders

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), December 12, 1999.


Ray: Yea: things have changed alot. It is a hell of a lot colder than it was on June 15. Where I am, we are looking at a wet, mild winter [assuming that the reports have any validity]. It is snowing; wasn't doing that in June. It appears that our power will be fine; wasn't sure in June. What else will happen? How would I know? No information. We will have to wait and see.

As Sysman says;

Tic Toc

Best wishes,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 12, 1999.


Hallelujah.

As was said in a Star Trek NG episode by an alien leader Picard was trying communicate with.

His eyes wide open!!

Now there you have it all you doubters. 2 people who decide they have nothing to loose and probably thought like the rest of you ignoramuses (an actual word in the Oxford dictionary meaning one who is ignorant)out there but chose not to be lemmings but find out why America's luminaries were ranting and raving the same tune I and others like me do.

Do you really want freedom or are you just "rallying around the flag" like moths around a light-bulb --- they just can't help it regardless of the consequences. If you can't even spend a couple of hours reading the information, then you are a disgrace to all those who faught with their lives to give you what you have. They gave you their lives and if you guys can't even read a few web pages then this is a sorry time in history for sure, and you will all no doubt be judged by history as the most ignorant selfish generations of Americans there ever to call themselves Americans.

So do your self a favour read McFadden's Speach the "The Comming Battle" (written in 1899). If nothing else they'll be the best drama fiction stories you've ever read (makes Tom Clancy look like kindergarten) if you still don't believe them.

-- Interested Spectator (is@aol.com), December 13, 1999.



Sorry Ray, but the Reuters news item was incorrect about the margin remaining the same at 50%. CNN news item at the following link explains clearly the new changes and how the margins have been increased to 25% (i.e. only need $1000 to buy $4000 in stock). The fact that the minimum account must be $25,000 will have little or no effect on most serious day traders. $25,000 goes quickly when you trade 1000 shares of a $25 stock which is a "small" trade for these folks.

Notice that the article also says the Federal Reserve is the ultimate arbitrator of U.S. Margin Rules. Funny why would they be that. One would think that the SEC would be there to control that. Well the more things change the more they stay the same. After the Federal Reserve incuced crash in the 20's due to relaxed margin requirements, one would think that the SEC would protect the markets from that. Well its obvious the SEC is just a facade to lull everybody into a false sense of security that the government is looking out for them, while the real power lies with the European Banker Families running their privately owned bank called the "Federal" Reserve.

http://cnnfn.com/1999/12/10/investing/margin/ http://cnnfn.com/1999/11/19/news/margin/

-- Interested Spectator (is@aol.com), December 13, 1999.


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