Russia Deploys 10 Nuclear Missiles

MOSCOW (AP) -- The Russian military deployed 10 new Topol-M nuclear missiles Friday, the second time in two years that it has put a contingent of the missiles on full combat readiness.

The Topol-M, which carries a single nuclear warhead, was designed to be the backbone of Russia's strategic forces. Many of the country's older nuclear weapons have outlived their service life or must be dismantled under international arms reduction agreements.

The new missiles were put on duty in the Saratov region, about 450 miles southeast of Moscow, the location of the first 10 missiles deployed last year, the ITAR-Tass news agency said.

The latest deployment came a day after Russian President Boris Yeltsin, on a visit to China, blasted President Clinton for criticizing Russia's military campaign in breakaway Chechnya. Yeltsin reminded Clinton that ``Russia is a great power that possesses a nuclear arsenal.''

Russia's Strategic Missile Forces chief, Col.-Gen. Vladimir Yakovlev, said Yeltsin had been well aware of the Topol-M deployment when he made his remarks, the Interfax news agency said.

The Topol-M is relatively small and can be transported on a mobile launch pad, making it hard to locate and take out in the first strike of a nuclear confrontation.

Meanwhile, Yakovlev also said that American plans to try to develop an effective anti-ballistic missile defense system would virtually mean ``a return to the arms race,'' ITAR-Tass news agency reported.

The United States wants to amend the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in order to build missile defenses that would defend the country from possible missile attacks by rogue states such as North Korea.

Washington says an anti-missile system would not be able to counter the kind of massive nuclear attack Russia is capable of launching. But the Russians argue that a U.S. retreat from the ABM treaty would trigger an arms race.

-- Llama Man (llama@coo.net), December 10, 1999

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Ya know, I though we won the Cold War. Guess I was wrong. We should cut off every last cent to that pathetic third world country, Fire up the "war machine" of the mid eighties, channel massive funds into developing a massive anti-balistic missle defensive shield, and then dare those vodka swilling pigs to pull the nuclear trigger. The biggest mistake was showing weakness to Ivan and the boys. The only thing that the Russian people respect is strength, and a willingness to use it. I, myself have had it when I see what a pathetic joke Yeltsin is. Drunkenly fumbling with crude threats. Fuck him and his bolshiveck brotherhood. Cut off the cash completely, and tell those sorry bastards that if they pull the trigger, then what do you have? Nothing. Sure, we may be glowing, but then Mother Russia, Da Rodina, is well and truly screwed. Withoput American Dollars their entire infrastructure would collapse overnite. Just who in the hell does Boris and his drunken cronies think they are? If the Gipper or even George the Senior was in power we wouldv'e told Ivan to "Sit down and Shut the Fuck up, or we will bitch slap you into the Stone Age!"

The Biggest falacy of the entire thing is that we won't talk tough because Clinton is

A) A Coward (proven by his complete inability to accept blame and responsibilty for his own actions, and that he hid in England during Vietnam)

and 2) A Knee-Jerk Limosine Liberal, (Peace and love to all mankind, and 'Can't we all just get along?'

I'm sickened by this. Doesn't anyone understand that this is not the time to try and soft pedal the Russians? Its almost as if that in the past few weeks the Sovs have finally realized just how inept and stupid Clinton really is. Think about it. The Chinese and Russians start getting cuddly for the first time in thirty years, and what do you think they are going to do? Compare Notes!! China's been our enemy for as long as the Russians, truly even longer if you really want to think about it. Now these two malooks are getting together, sharing intel, and realizing that anything goes, especially while Clinton(winp) is in the White House. Fearless forcast: Tiawan will be invaded before the end of Clintons Tour, with the Help of the Russians. Any takers?

rant off (for now.

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan101st@aol.com), December 10, 1999.

I agree, but why are you Americans so stupid as to allow the Chinese to come and work in your top secret facilities, steel your secrets, take them back to China and laugh in your face at the same time.

How many Chinese and Russians now currently live in the US. The number i'll bet is startling. Probably and 100-1 ration from that of US citizens living in Russia and the US.

The US dug their own hole. Clinton in the White House and lax security measures over the last decade have benefitted the Russians and the Chinese.

By the way, the AMericans paid for all this to happen.

Llama

-- Llama man (llama@cool.net), December 10, 1999.

Where you from there LLamma-man? Don't include me with that "you americans" line... For one, I think we should've nuked everybody who got in our way at the end of WWII and subjugated the entire planet to American rule. Crush them beneath the Democratic Bootheel so to speak... (My opinion, not right, not wrong...)

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan101st@aol.com), December 10, 1999.

"...why are you Americans so stupid as to allow the Chinese to come and work in your top secret facilities, steel your secrets, take them back to China and laugh in your face at the same time."

A damn shame isn't it? Well it's like this. Money talks. Bill Clinton can only hear in the language of currency. Most everyone in his administration is guilty of crimes that would make Nuremburg look like Podunk Mayor's Court.

-- Powder (Powder@keg.com), December 10, 1999.

No worry. In the report posted on Drudge, the last sentence says:

Yakovlev said Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles were no longer targeted at the United States under a deal with Washington.

...yeah, right.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), December 10, 1999.

It's WW II all over again. I wonder if Bill Clinton knows who Neville Chamberlain was? Ring any bells, Bill?

Neville Chamberlain wanted to appease Hitler. He backed off of every challenge made to him by Hitler. Hitler viewed Chamberlain's behavior as a sign of weakness. Just a short time (wasn't it about one month?) before Germany attacked Great Britain, Chamberlain declared proudly that we would finally have peace in our time.

As a result, England was left in smoking ruin and had to have the Americans come to their rescue.

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

-- Tim the Y2K nut (tmiley@yakko.cs.wmich.edu), December 10, 1999.

Time, let me remind you that Yeltsin challenged Klintoon after K. criticized Y. for Chechnya -- after he himself destroyed Serbia. Remember, right now America is the villain to many people, except the socialists of Europe.

-- Brooklyn (MSIS@cyberdude.com), December 10, 1999.

I wouldn't want to be living in American cities during the milliennium. It's own people are plotting nuclear destruction in its own country. Forget about terrorists, it's the militia groups you gotta watch out for. I currently live cose to the arctic circle. Very cold but I know how to live under grave circumstances.

Llama

-- Llama man (llama@cool.net), December 10, 1999.

http://www.cnn.com/1999/US/12/09/clark.pentagon/index.html

"NATO's Clark denounces Russian military tactics against Chechnya

'We were extremely careful' Clark told reporters at the Pentagon that Russia's "methodology of unrestricted use of firepower and the apparent actions against civilian targets" differed significantly from NATO's 78-day air campaign over Kosovo and Yugoslavia.

"We (NATO) were extremely careful in our Kosovo (bombing) campaign," Clark said. "We took incredible risks with our pilots, and we were very inhibited in the use of air power to prevent collateral damage." "

Here is an example of what I said before -- look at this bullshit -- "We were extremely careful. We took incredible risks with our pilots." It is when reading words like these I want to use every expletive that I know.

As far as I remember all the pilots were instructed to bomb from the 33,000 feet altitude, so they will not be hit by an anti-aircraft missiles. As a result civilians died. I understand that civilians die every time there is a war, but for an American general to speak like Klintoon is a great shame.

-- Brooklyn (MSIS@cyberdude.com), December 10, 1999.

I wouldn't want to be living in American cities during the milliennium. It's own people are plotting nuclear destruction in its own country. Forget about terrorists, it's the militia groups you gotta watch out for. I currently live cose to the arctic circle. Very cold but I know how to live under grave circumstances.

Llama

-- Llama man (llama@cool.net), December 10, 1999.

If you're not here in the States what do you know of our militia groups? Just what your media tells you? What the American media tells you? Most of them are harmless yahoos and the few that are not are not going to be running amok in the cities on New Years Eve. Some gangs in those cities just might, particularly if the power goes off.

Neither the militias nor the gangs are going to be detonating any nukes. Some terrorist group with an illicit Russian nuke? Who knows?

I don't care to live in the larger cities at any time, most especially at a time when the potential for serious disruptions is running high.

.......Alan.

-- A.T. Hagan (athagan@sprintmail.com), December 10, 1999.

(When were the Russians not ready?)

-- mike d. (bboys@yahoo.com), December 10, 1999.

to all..yes it really does seem that global nuclear war will transpire within the next few months, most likely. China has depployed a nuclear missile as Taiwan and Taiwan is asking US to provide it with nuclear security. Brain-sotted Yelstin is making nuclear threats to the US- pretty blatantly. Putin stands to come in soon. All is on hair trigger alert. I do firmly believe that nuclear war will start-and probably be over with in about an hour. Sadly, Russia's "Perimeter" program and the US GWEN program will fire all remaining missiles long after all life has been annihilated. And for what reason? Can anyone think of a reason that ANYONE would stand at the brink and let it go on and on to the ultimate conclusion? And annihilate all life cause Taiwan and China had a spat. Or Boris got drunk, felt threatened, ordered first strike. Or us ordered first strike. or computers failed....what the hell.

-- does it really matter? (nofuture@nuke.com), December 10, 1999.

"By the way, the AMericans paid for all this to happen."

Llama

I keep getting this picture in my mind of the commies ROTFLTASSESOFF. " Comrad! How are we to get rid of these useless antique rockets?"

"Lets surrender to the Americans and have them dismantle them for us. Then we can use the savings to develop a new breed of weapon. And have the Americans pay for them also. Using their own design." The gathering chokes on the thought while swilling glasses of vodka, laughing their asses off.

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), December 10, 1999.

Sorry for the omission...WE WIN!

So stop worrying and keep preping!

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), December 10, 1999.

Regarding the Russians and Chinese:

Can you say "DOUBLE CROSS"?

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), December 10, 1999.

Llama,

IMHO, The Chinese did NOT steal anything! They $$bought$$ Clinton into the Whitehouse in exchange for many favors, one of which was access to nuclear technology. Clinton sold us out YEARS before this chinese spy BS hit the papers; he sold us out BEFORE he entered the Whitehouse for his 1st term!!! American taxpayers are buying homes for chinese citizens, and because my unconstitutional income tax is sooo high, I may never be able now to buy a home for myself; Clinton instead decided I will buy homes for my chinese comrades.

The American militia are not anti-government; they are pro- constitution, and from what I've read (I don't know anyone in a militia, but IMHO....) the militia want any anti-constitution ie anti- American persons to be kicked out of office. We were founded as a constitutional republic. We are currently not acting as a constitutional republic, yet what we then are is not clear to me. I see alot of parallels with our current administration and pre-WWII Germany.

But let us consider the words of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in "The Communist Manifesto" copyright 1948 by International Publishers Co., Inc.:

[[A recipe for prepping a country for Marxism:]]

(my comments in parentheses).

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic (tyranny, violence, taken by force) inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois (controllers of production, such as factory or business owners) production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production.

These measures will of course be different in different countries.

Nevertheless in the most advanced countries, the following will be generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and all rents of land to public purposes. (Clinton is designating parcel after parcel of land to the federal gov, rather than allowing private purchase and ownership.)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. (check, USA has this through the IRS despite the fact that according to the constitution the fed revenue should come from tariffs. Our personal income tax is SIXTY TIMES HIGHER than the pre-revolution income tax England imposed on us, which contributed to our revolting against them to start with!)

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. (What is the tax rate on inheritances now?)

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels (Coast Guard seizures, IRS seizures, Waco, Ruby Ridge, need I go on?)

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Uh, the federal reserve? Oh, nevermind, that is not a government agency but a private corporation controlled by English aristocrats. So I guess it doen't matter then that the federal reserve is unconstitutional. Yet the feds do regulate banking. What about our planned transition from paper to e-? If you arent following this development, go to IBMs website.)

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. (Echelon, and uh you try driving without a license (no transport without state papers). How many years can you serve in prison for traveling without your "papers"?)

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (What is the federal budget? What do prisons manufacture? also, EPA,...)

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. (Dept. of Interior, welfare-to- work, FDA, ATF, )

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country. (Encourage urban sprawl, and now suburban sprawl, by inadequate attention to inner cities. Economic death of family farms and replacing with big businesses like Kraft, ...)

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of child factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. (pp. 30-31) (SOL now standardizes what were state controlled curriculums; also vo-tech.)

Linda,

The "United States" is a corporation, so nukes may not be aimed at our corporate headquarters; but this does not mean that missiles are not aimed at our country which is the "United States of America".

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 10, 1999.

I am just an old fashioned housewife, (love my job by the way). I am not happy with the changes within our nation. It scares me of how we are tracked and watched ( kind of like that movie Logans Run). We do not have the freedom as our constitution really speaks. What has happen to our Nation. We the People have so little say, and Our Governmnet no longer is Perfect! I am more than ashamed of what our Government is, has done and will become. There is so much GREED, self serving, and political power play that it sickens me. Ok , I am a simple person.. my job does not take me into a corporate facilty and I know nothing about computers, but I know what is important to me.. MY FAMILY and our future.. I pray that our country will go on to be a something to be proud of. I always have been Proud to be an American.. I want that to continue.. I pray and hope it will......

-- Cassandra (american_storm@usa.net), December 10, 1999.

Llama... eat sheite! Who asked you? Anyone who can smuggle a couple of thousand keys of coke into the US can smuggle a nuke. Think on that.

-- (...@.......), December 10, 1999.