Charlie Reubens big cop out

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I find this statement by our beloved polly about his activities on this upcoming new years eve the biggest COP OUT by the biggest polly of them all. Apparently there will be no flights for him to caught because they are all being cancelled( or have I missed one). Apparently he hasn't made reservations either from what I can tell. SO just what is this spineless little worm going to be doing. Staying at home keeping warm and safe??

CPR stated:

ONE: ====

I MAKE THE OFFER AGAIN: I WILL FLY ANYWHERE IN THE US AND BE IN THE AIR DURING THE ROLLOVER IF I CAN BOOK A FLIGHT. (Preferably SW Air if I can substitute Jelly Beans for their peanuts.)JUST LIKE JANE GARVEY AT FAA, I THINK IT WOULD BE NEAT TO HAVE A COUPLE OF MID-NIGHTS, NEW YEAR's EVE, 2000.

TWO: ====

IF I CAN'T I WILL GO TO ANY NUKE POWER PLANT WITHIN 500 MILES OF DALLAS (unless someone wants to foot the bill for me to go further). I WILL WAIT AT THE RECEPTION CENTER DURING THE ROLL OVER AND THROUGH 1/1/2000.

THREE: ==========

OTHERWISE, .....I WILL STAY OFF THE STREETS & HERE IN DALLAS, AT HOME. (The ULTIMATE AMATEUR DRUNKS NIGHT HAS NO INTEREST FOR ME.)

-- y2k dave (xsdaa111@hotmail.com), December 03, 1999

Answers

I just love his ALL CAPS POSTS. Is his freaking caps lock stuck on, or is he just aching so hard to be heard, that everthing he says needs that added emphasis??

Never fear people Ruben debunks for a living. He told me he was out hard-core debunking cold-fusion 10 years ago.

He would be lost if he had no one to argue with.

lol

-- C. Hill (pinionsmachine@hotmail.com), December 03, 1999.


Hahahahahah! I just woke up from a nap, and when I read that, I thought you said that he *drinks* for a living!

I could believe it.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), December 03, 1999.


Flint is a Polly. Decker is a Polly. Hoffmeister is a Polly. cpr IS NOT a Polly. I'm not sure what he is...reptilian??...definitely a frothing nut case!

-- (TrollPatrol@not.now), December 03, 1999.

...and now that I looked at his rant, and saw him looking down in contempt at *amateur* drunks, I think perhaps he *is* a pro!

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), December 03, 1999.

I think anyone going near a nuke plant at rollover will be shot on sight.

Hummm, let's take him up on it! <:)))=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), December 03, 1999.



Ron, that drinks for a living about killed me!

So why doesn't he charter a plane? Or did he spend all his money prepping?heh, j/k cpr;-)

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 03, 1999.


"Spineless little worm?"

I wouldn't call him spineless, but he's definitely his own worst enemy, provided his mission is really "debunking Y2k." If that were really his mission he wouldn't chase off newbies with his malicious insults. Some have come. Few have stayed, because he is--in a word--a spiteful S.O.B., on an alleged religious mission.

He hates Gary North because Gary North is a Christian Reconstructionist. While I understand that sentiment, Charlie's logic fails when he claims to adhere to the same religious principles as Dr. Norman Vincent Peale and Robert Schuller.

How he can reconcile his attitude with those peacemakers, I will never know.

All I know, is that he is a vitriolic sack of bile who hates "common people" because we are not smart enough to exist in his presence.

-- take it (to@the.bank), December 03, 1999.


Oh I don't know, 'bank-man', 'Charlie has provided literally hundreds of links in my time on the Debunking Boards, has continually left doom goblins speechless with his convincing arguments and is calling the ridiculously wrong prognosticators on the carpet for their past faulty predictions. At the same time, 'Charlie' has stated that he won't rest until these types are exposed for the phonies they are. I prefer to call them carpetbaggers, for most make a profit off of the anxiety of others.

It seems he is someone who at the very least has a good memory when it comes to such things. Doomers tend to ignore track records and follow their gurus like drones towards the next big prediction. At the same time, his reluctance to make 'gods' out of such blathering swine--an occurence that frequently happens here---is downright refreshing.

Additionally, I am pleased to see that someone else still uses some intellignece in all of this. Doomers will continue to look at the mounting miles of news reports, quotes and statistics which speak of positive remediation efforts and readiness as being spin and words meant to put the masses to sleep. If that is true, we have the greatest conspiracy in the history of earth---and moreover, no whistle-blowers, no phantam CEO's, no IT pros---are coming out of the woodwork to cry foul. Odd isn't it?

No, 'bank-man', what we have here is fear and anxiety, fed by paranoia and the stubborness of some individuals in the public eye who are still seeking validation of their previous statements and mindsets. Alas, even many of them are changing their tunes.

While I don't know cpr well enough to corroborate your assessment of his hatred of his brother man, I'd say some here hate him because those bullet holes in their psyches surely do hurt. And hating the messenger accomplishes nothing.

All the same, I 'll alert him as to your sentiments.

Regards.

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), December 03, 1999.


B.C.,

Why do you call him bank-man? Does he work for a bank? If so, that would explain alot. You'll have to excuse me, I've never been a big fan, and don't know much about him. Just his insults.

"continually left doom goblins speechless"

Oh please, show me a link or 2. I appreciate all logical views on this problem. I just haven't yet seen any logic from him, let alone any "convincing arguments."

"Doomers will continue to look at the mounting miles of news reports, quotes and statistics"

You got that right. Things like Koskinen on embedded systems, the NIST report, the ComputerWorld "close but still not ready" article, the sad state of small and medium businesses, all in just the last few days. We're almost at the end of this maze. The smoke is thin, and there are fewer mirrors. The real story is about to emerge.

"no IT pros"

Does that include the at least 875 man-years or programming experience that we have here?

I agree with Mr. Hill above:

"He would be lost if he had no one to argue with."

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), December 03, 1999.


Sysman, 'Bankman referred to the poster above, > take it (to@the.bank)

-- J (jart5@bellsouth.net), December 03, 1999.


cpr is hardly what I would call a "logical" guy. Here he characterizes the fact that small businesses are not ready for Y2k a "MYTH ". And displays his keen debating skills, to boot.

What a joke. He is truly a laughingstock amongst those who are knowledgeable about Y2k, and he is obsessed with extremists.

I've had to suffer his rants for months now. I ignore them, except to point out the lapses in logic (many), and the preoccupation with the radical fringes.

-- Steve (hartsman@ticon.net), December 03, 1999.


Thanks J. I've got to start watching the commas. At first I read it as "bank man" Charley.

Em-bare-assed... <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), December 03, 1999.


Here is a representative example of how cpr "continually left doom goblins speechless with his convincing arguments"

Posted by (208.189.71.48) cpr on December 03, 1999 at 20:13:35:

AND NOW THE PURE HATE MONGERS EXPOSE THEIR PRIVATES.

DO YOU HATE PEALE AND SCHULLER THAT MUCH??

YOU PULLED THAT LINE ABOUT 2 months ago. JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF WOULD SWEAR AT PEOPLE LIKE YOU AS HE WOULD THROW THEM OUT OF THE TEMPLE.

WHITED SEPULCHRE. GO LOOK UP WHAT THAT MEANS AND REMEMBER JONATHAN EDWARDS: "SINNERS IN THE HANDS OF AN ANGRY GOD".

HE JUDGES IN THE END.

GET THE MESSAGE. I SLEEP AT NIGHT. DO YOU???

I DON"T CARE WHAT ***YOU***GARY***ED***STEVE***CORY***OR** THE REST OF THE SH*T [edited for profanity] HEAD THINK...OR SAY..OR DO ABOUT ME.

IT DOESN"T MATTER.

THE GAME IS OVER AND DONE WITH.

YOU LOST. DEAL WITH IT. AND REMEMBER IT ON YOUR DEATHBED. SPAM.

AND.........in your spare time GO F*CK [edited for profanity] YOURSELF.

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You're right about one thing, BC. These "convincing arguments" of cpr's leave a lot of people speechless.

-- (TrollPatrol@don't.org), December 04, 1999.


Should I be flattered that I'm mentioned in the same sentence as Ed and Cory? At least I assume that's me... Any other Steve's on cpr's "list"?

My 15 minutes of fame?

-- Steve (hartsman@ticon.net), December 04, 1999.


I'm not sure that fame is the correct word Steve. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), December 04, 1999.


Still, to be included in such "select" company...

In context, though, "infamy" would be more appropriate.

Oh, well.

-- Steve (hartsman@ticon.net), December 04, 1999.


The guy is a babling, drooling old lamer. The above message is the only way he can comminicate. He sounds like a military man who never quite made it back from the war...if you know what i mean.

-- C. Hill (pinionsmachine@hotmail.com), December 04, 1999.

Head on over to this thread and you will see the "Full Monty."

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/board.html

cpr is not stupid. He is, however, vitriolic in the extreme, and of late may have also proved himself to be a hypocrite. How anyone could claim that "God gave him tools" to assist in his "debunking" mission while at the same time feeling compelled to spew the vile content that flows from his keyboard is beyond my comprehension.

I sense no compassion in his soul. That is scary to me.

Is he insane? I don't know. If so, however, did Y2k make him that way? Well...

-- take it (to@the.bank), December 04, 1999.


Myself, I've visited his forum around 2 or 3 times (about aa month or so ago) and was rather taken aback by his vehemence. This is not someone who seems too interested in furthering his own agenda by the art of reasonable discourse. There only seemed to be about 6 or 7 people posting on there too. I was kind of surprised that anyone took him that seriously.

-- Ludi (ludi@rollin.com), December 04, 1999.

take-it-to-the-bank has been doing a lot of trolling on the debunkers board, under the "you dont want to know" handle, with the only aim of baiting this CPR character into typical frothing responses. I've been over there, and the term "vitrolic sack of bile" was used by you- dont-want-to-know sevral times. Plus, the styles are similar. I don't like trolls, either polly or doomer. What's the point of going and trying to disrupt a forum?

-- trolls are TROLLS, period (troll@watchers.patrol), December 04, 1999.

from http://home.swbell.net/buytexas/Y2K1FAQ.HTM and http://www.dfwdama.com/Y2K1FAQ.htm

1.WHAT IS THE YEAR 2000 PROBLEM ??
(answer supplied by Charles Reuben,MA,Dallas

) The "Year 2000 Problem" has several easy to understand causes which lead to problems which are very complex and require expertise to fix. Computer systems have only been in use for the last 50 Years. The actual Year 2000 itself has never happened before and there were no Computers in the Year 1000. Year 2000 is a Leap Year coupled with hardware and software defects all combine to create a giant set of problems that Businesses have never encountered before. Experts have warned of the problem for years. Many large problems can still be fixed but...... TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE! There are 3 Years to 2000 but in reality, large and small users MUST have their systems in place and ready no later than Early 1999 to insure they will work!!

MUST have their systems in place in early 1999? What month is it now? Yet Charlie still says everything will be ok?

It is IMPERATIVE to understand that the Desk Top Personal Computer in a large Corporation with data in a NON Y2K "compliant" form,,,CAN POLLUTE A PROGRAM IN A MAIN FRAME COMPUTER OR A SERVER of any size.. If safeguards are not taken on the Main Frame or Server end, then it should be clear that those safeguards must be taken at the Client Level. This is NOT A TRIVIAL TASK!!! I have stated openly that the "nightmare of the Computer Professionals has come true, ..."the Users got free" ". It was a dramatic way of saying that all the work to clean up a major problem can be "screwed up" by the Fat Clients and the legacy Software and Data.

This sounds an awful lot like GN's assertion that the problem is systemic....

Chuckie says (on BFI) "don't buy gold! it's all a scam". But what does he really think?

When asked to rate the following statements with a number beside each: 9=For sure, 1=Nope, not me

from http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/goal2000/sdetails.htm

From: Charles Reuben
7-- buying gold, Some of the IT people here are planning trips and intend to be away for the weekend. They think about gold and silver with some preference for the latter. I tell them to have silver and gold coins. In reality, certain types of food would be better because you can barter with that. I, OTOH, want to be liquid but it will be long before 1/1/2000. As a contrarian, I buy after panics. Which explains my arrival in Dallas by 1990.

1 taking money out of banks, and/or..... No one here sees a need for that. They are more concerned with the "transaction mechanisms". I will deal with that shortly in posting.

4 ...arranging to be in a safe haven or at least have a safe haven option for Dec 31, 1999? ......... There will be no safe harbors though Switzerland might be good bet. They have made it through 500 years without a drop of Swiss blood being shed.

recommending gold? AND FOOD FOR BARTER??? Chuckie!

-- Mother Nacho (nachos@corn.chips), December 04, 1999.


Charlie Reubens???

Is that the guy who plays Pee-Wee Herman that got busted for slamming the salami in a movie theatre?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 04, 1999.


Does this sound like a sane person to you?? Who really is the NUT case?

Cpr stated:

Now its over, it just took far too long for the Public to openly reject the Doom Zombies for what they ARE..............NUT CASES.

READ IT AND WEEP, SHITHEAD.

-- yk2 dave (xsdaa111@hotmail.com), December 04, 1999.


Nothing worth responding here except Sysop's line about links. May I suggest you travel to the Debunking site every so often to find a veritable cornuccopia of news, links and sources. (The anger is free).

Other than that, the rest of the blather here is representative of partisanship would one see on any other political issue.

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), December 04, 1999.


Over at the GN Is A Big Fat Idiot board there is an interesting quote from y2k dave stating that he bleieved the panic will start in September. Remember that one Dave?

-- Memories (all@we.have), December 04, 1999.

I believe that an unbiased comparison would show that "polly's" have received their share of bashing on this forum, unequalled in viciousness by anyone posting at debunkers. I know that I've been cursed and called every name in the book in this forum, just for posting information that indicates y2k will not be the signficant event once predicted. A self-righteous evaluation of cpr by some here in this forum is quite amusing.

I have seen more factual information on y2k posted by cpr than from any other single source. When the rollover comes and goes, he will be proven right in his 0.5 scale assessment of y2k, one of only two of the experts" at the "expert site" who has a clue as to the realities of y2k.

Do I wish that Charles were kinder to some of those who have been mislead by some of the other "experts"? Yes I do, but I have a long way to go to improve my OWN behavior before coming down on him. What about you?

By the way, to Sysman and many others here, including a couple of the forum maintainers, I give my thanks for allowing my dissenting opinions to be fairly expressed. I believe that anyone seeking knowledge, whether this forum or debunkers, should allow dissenting opinions. I also believe that intentionally disrupting any forum is an unfair attempt to prevent the free flow of speech, and should not be tolerated beyond a certain point. But keep in mind, there is a hugh difference in dissenting opinions and intentional disruptions of a forum, and I would urge all forums to err on the side of letting speech flow...

Regards,

-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), December 04, 1999.


"I have seen more factual information on y2k posted by cpr than from any other single source." -FactFinder

The same goes for me FactFinder. CPR has done an incredible job of exposing the many myths floating around Y2k. It's too bad that so many on this forum refused to read his writings simply because they don't like his "style". They could have learned a lot.

-- CD (not@here.com), December 04, 1999.


Factfinder,

Yes, it is true that some here have attacked you, and I am truly sorry. I for one appreciate the time and effort that you have spent in researching the Y2K problem. Once again, I thank you for your earlier help in finding the answers to my questions on the euy2k forum. We may be on opposite ends of the scale, but that is no reason to be hostile towards each other.

Once again, I ask you, or CD, or Bad Company, or anyone else to to provide a few links where I can see some of this "factual information" with my own eyes. To be honest, I don't have the time to wade through a hundred posts of name calling, and kindergarten level non-sense, to find that one logical, good argument.

I have visited the site many times in the past few months. I just don't get it. The following was cross-posted from there, just today. This is typical of what I have seen, EVERY TIME that I have been there. Is this what you guys call "factual information"? :

http://www.stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/6082.html

BULLETIN*** ANDY RAY*** I HAVE A PLAN** The EY Forum will shortly resemble BEIRUT.

Posted by (208.189.71.48) cpr on December 04, 1999 at 10:01:47:

I have devised a plan that will work and bring the garbage pit to its knees.

Patricia will go to the LIRR station where Junior's dispenses instant Heart Attacks and.....FIND 15 able bodied NYC/BROOKLYN TAXI DRIVERS.

We will get them free Net Access while they are munching their cheese cake and coffee and.........lock them into the path to EY's pit.

I confidently predict that within hours..........THE EY FORUM WILL RESEMBLE ..BEIRUT.

NOTHING CAN PREVENT THE SUCCESS OF THIS PLAN.

Many have tried to "discuss things" with the NYC Taxi Drivers and ALL HAVE FAILED. They will turn the Pit into a dust bowl.

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), December 04, 1999.


Charlie Reubens???

Is that the guy who plays Pee-Wee Herman, that got arrested for playing "Yank-my Noodle Dandy" in a movie theatre?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 05, 1999.


There may well be good information imbedded in what cpr says. I wouldn't know. People I know (including me) have never been able to stomach his style (?) long enough to find out. As was stated above, it's regrettable that people look no further than his approach -- but whose problem is that? If he wants to try to convince people and impart any useful information, maybe TURNING OFF HIS F***ING CAPS LOCK ONCE IN A WHILE MIGHT HELP!!!!! AFTER ALL, SOMEONE WITH HIS VAST KNOWLEDGE OF COMPUTERS (chuckle) WOULD KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IT COMES OFF AS SOUNDING LIKE SOME FLAMING A$$HOLE SCREAMING AT EVERYONE!!!!!

BTW, that's PAUL Reubens who was arrested for poundin' the pork in Miami. They may be related. Not that I keep up with such things.

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), December 05, 1999.


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