Same time, same station...only this time we've got a good layer of stratocummulus(?) clouds. You can still see the trails in the breaks between the clouds.

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), December 02, 1999

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in western Ga too. right now

-- guessagain (yeah@rightsure.com), December 02, 1999.

To all forum folks,

I'm sorry for taking up precious forum space with another OT thread. This will be the last time I start a new thread on this subject...there should be enough evidence out there for most to know that there is something seriously afoot.

I notified my state representative yesterday about what was going on...his response to me via e-mail was inconclusive (i.e. he believes that i saw something, but he hasn't been willing to venture any guesses as to what it was.) Initially, he didn't believe that it was anything to be concerned about.

I will press the issue further today.

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), December 02, 1999.

I do not doubt the government is capable of spraying toxic substances all over the citizens of this country and you can't deny that something is up when you see the pictures...However I have NEVER seen chemtrails over eastern Iowa where I live. So I must conclude that if the spraying is a population cull, Iowans are considered too valuable to kill. If it is a vaccine for upcoming bio-terrorism being sprayed, I guess Iowans are not worth saving. Thoughts?

-- saved or doomed? (iowan@iowa.org), December 02, 1999.

So, *Guess again*... are you saying they're NOT spraying here in Ga. today? I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I reported on a thread below that they are spraying again in our area today... just a little further east this time. Whether or not you see it, I can't say, since I don't know where you are.

That's all, folks...

Sometimes seeing is believing... (can't say just what it is they're spraying... but they're definitely spraying something.)

gp (I won't bother reporting in again either, TM... just wanted those who are wondering if they're *seeing things* to know they're not alone. Guess we're all just *seeing things*.)

-- georgia peach (the.patch@worldnet.att.net), December 02, 1999.

What are they spraying?

-- (Polly@troll.com), December 02, 1999.

Great! Can you flag one down and ask if they're handing out free vaccinations? If so, then send them my way! In return, I'll send you a one of those new fangled daguerreotype machines from the mystical orient, which you can use to capture the distinctive likeness of these unnatural vapour belching metal airships:


-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), December 02, 1999.

Before this topic dies out, (NOT!), I wanted to mention the huge increase in EMS dispatch calls for "respritory probems" on the scanner day and night. I noticed this prior to really checking out the chemtrail thing. I'm in Maryland, plenty of spraying here too! Charli

-- Charli Claypool (claypool@belatlantic.net), December 02, 1999.

Colin'

Just between you and me...I have come to this forum to express some real concerns that I have about events happening here lately. All that your able to do is post some goofy pictures and inane questions. If you want to debunk this issue, then get serious about it, and add bring something to the table.

Of course, you are free to say what you want, regardless of content...I'm only concerned that in the future no one will pay attention to your posts when you finally decide to get serious about some issue.

Sincerely, Tim

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), December 02, 1999.

Spraying HEAVY here in W. KY again this morning.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), December 02, 1999.

TM,

Again, I ask you. What are they spraying? Can't debunk it until I know what they are spraying.

-- (Polly@troll.com), December 02, 1999.

INVAR

What are they spraying?

-- (Polly@troll.com), December 02, 1999.

iowan: Also from eastern Iowa, I am skeptical as well. However, on one occasion this summer I did notice what I considered to be an unusual grid pattern in the skies. It was strikingly regular and evenly spaced.

Since that time, I have been paying somewhat closer attention to what a 'normal' contrail pattern looks like over eastern Iowa. As you might expect, the 'normal' pattern varies greatly according to weather conditions. In general, you will find more east-west contrails than north-south, though the contrails are rarely evenly spaced and parallel. But I'm willing to admit that the unusual pattern I saw could simply have been a variation on the 'normal' patterns.

Since this summer, I've casually observed on a regular basis and have not noticed any further highly unusual contrail patterns. I can tell you that 'normal' varies greatly here.

I'm not saying that something out of the ordinary isn't happening...only that since beginning to pay closer attention, I've not personally witnessed what others are claiming to have seen.

I find the issue interesting but simply don't have time to give it anything more than casual observation.

Those more interested in pursuing the issue will need more scientifically rigorous ways of documenting the evidence. A film or video shot through a telephoto or telescopic lens would be nice. Preferably, several such films shot independently from each other.

On the other hand, there are numerous examples throughout our history of people being unknowingly exposed to various agents by our government. There are also numerous examples of our government lying and covering up such events.

If there was not such a track record of lies and wanton disregard for informed consent, I would not hesitate to disbelieve the contrail stories. But history often repeats itself and so must I stop short of claiming it is all 'nonsense'.

If you want to read a very well documented and researched book on the lies and deception that occurred within our government on an unbelieveable scale during the Vietnam war, I highly recommend Dereliction of Duty : Johnson, McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Lies That Led to Vietnam by H. R. McMaster Here is what one review had to say about the book:

"As a retired navy flier from the Vietnam conflict era, I became so frustrated with how the war was handled. You never new from one day to the other what was up or down. You would plan a mission and it was canceled -- You would be notified that you where going to launch on a target, no planning, and when you got there -- it was a bamboo bridge. You flew, not when the weather was to your advantage, but when it was clear. Not after the missiles ran out, but when the enemy resupplied. This book has answered most of my questions as to why the war was going the way it did. This book should be required reading for all cadets at any of the service schools and included in the government classes of our public schools --

Great book, especially for us old vets and for research. Well written, concise and clear. Documentation was excellent. "

-- Arnie Rimmer (Arnie_Rimmer@usa.net), December 02, 1999.

Hi Georgia Peach, thanks for your thread yesterday and post here. TM and all, don't let the trolls or skeptics run you off. This chemtrail thing is a bizarre, weird, ridiculous, tinfoil, laughable goofball topic -- except it actually is happening. Maybe we should have just one thread per day, "Chemtrails on 12/2" or something similar.

Truth is stranger than fiction. This schizoidofrenetic year has slipped past surreal, past Twilight Zone, past the impossible and into someplace where man has not ventured before. At Rollover, it will be Over The Edge.

If the pattern continues the sprayings will increase even more and almost everybody will get their chance to see and feel the indignant outrage, bemusement and fear. It is NOT NORMAL.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 02, 1999.

I got a simple solution:

That outta get the proof we need...Only problem is...Anyone got the 6 million we need to buy one?

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan101st@aol.com), December 02, 1999.

I'd also recommend "ACHILLES IN VIETNAM" by a Boston area psychologist -- for get the name, maybe O'Brien -- who had a practice treating Viet Nam vets suffering PTSD. Engrossing thesis well played out, on the role of the REMF (Rear Echelon Mother F***er) in destabilizing and demoralizing the frontline troops. Precisely what Clinton has been up to for the last 7 years, and what we all may have to deal with more directly as the world descends into diabolical disorientation.

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-- SH (squirrel@huntr.com), December 02, 1999.

Hi Tim. I find chemtrail spraying plausible, that's why I take the time to read the threads. However, I haven't yet seen anything that makes it credible for me. Do you see the difference?

Please try and understand, it's just words to me right now, and I have no reason to believe your words any more than those of a PollyTroll.

So, why not take some pictures, or more usefully, try and get your local TV or newspaper to do so? If you believe this is a serious issue, then it's in your own best interests to do something about it other than just repeating variations of the same words over and over. I wasn't convinced the first time I read them, so why would I be convinced the tenth or the hundredth time?

Ah, sorry, I was going to stop knotting these threads, wasn't I? I'll try...

-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), December 02, 1999.

Colin, check out these sites:

http://www.trufax.org/research3/contrails.html#senate

http://www.sightings.com/ufo2/cccontrails.htm

http://www.contrailconnection.com/

Had I taken photos of my sky (Dayton, Ohio) yesterday noon-ish, they would look EXACTLY like the ones in these photos. I don't see the need to re-document what's already very well documented.

Lots more this morning, by the way.

-- tempted to use (my@real.name), December 02, 1999.

Colin,

As I told you yesterday, I've taken pictures (which are being developed), and am willing to send them to you. I have contacted and exchanged e-mail with my state rep.,(who declined receiving any photos) and will continue going up the ladder today (Congressman, Governor). There is only so much I can do, so my purpose is not to continue to just "rant" about it.

I will post any details.

Tim

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), December 02, 1999.