Would you please delete the OT topics, particularly the WTO and Contrail messages? It's getting hard to keep up with the messages daily, and this kind of stuff only makes the pertinent messages scroll off all that much faster.

I don't want to censor anyone, but at least let's keep the board to Y2k pertinent topics, not NWO/conspiracy stuff. There are lots of boards for that elsewhere.

-- Bill (billclo@msgbox.com), December 02, 1999

Answers

How hard is it for you to click your mouse?

(Hint: As easy as clicking a remote to change the channel when you don't like what's on TV).

-- Whiners (are@panty.waists), December 02, 1999.

While somewhat OT, the WTO and contrail threads are interrelated with y2k. Now go take your Valium Bill.

-- (@ .), December 02, 1999.

With you up to a point, Bill. If the contrailers are correct (I find them plausible if not quite credible), then it's probably a Y2K issue. Likewise, the civil liberties and crowd control issues of the WTO demonstrations in Seattle are relevant as a pointer of what could happen near rollover.

But I fully agree that there are a lot of clearly OT posts appearing in here, particularly the political ramblings about the WTO. It's an important issue, and it should be discusses, but not in this forum.

As to the argument about just ignoring them: wrong, wrong, wrong. A forum is defined by the posts in it and the reactions to them, not by it's nominal title. If there are unchallenged posts expounding political views in here, then it becomes a political forum, not a Y2K forum.

The big danger is that a new reader finding this forum (ok, they're a bit late) might well read a few extreme "CONTRAILS!!!!!!!!!!!" or "WTO" posts, think "wackos, therefore Y2K is just another paranoid rant/political stunt" and leave. And that's not good enough.

This stuff might die down by itself, but at the moment it seems to be waxing rather than waning. So I agree: prune, sysadmins, prune, or we'll lose track of the real issues.

-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), December 02, 1999.

If it were Dec 1998, then I would agree with Bill. I think in these last few days before the rollover it is important to observe all trends. I received links/info on the Seattle scene here that I would not have found otherwise. However, this can be stimulation overload. They have been growing at an alarming rate.

I appreciate the OT posts which are titled "OT...." so that I can easily disregard them to focus on posts the mention the acronym "y2k", then go back and dabble in the other stuff as time allows.

-- Hokie (nn@nn.com), December 02, 1999.

Yeah! we can talk about all that other stuff after rollover, when we're sitting side by side in our quaint little camps with no Y2K WIRECUTTERS, or LED FLASHLIGHTS, eating WILD EDIBLES, reminiscing about OIL PRICES, the daily "START MARKET TANKING TODAY" posts, the elusive GOLD MARKET, and the plethora of ON TOPIC things we used to discuss when there wasn't a Y2K DISASTER related link for a few moments on the forum.
I find the collage of topics posted on this forum invigorating, amusing, and informative. Even the pitifully funny UFO paintings and pictures of trolls posted from time to time are welcome!

-- Jay Urban (Jayho99@aol.com), December 02, 1999.

I agree with Bill. Please delete the OT posts. The OT posts detract from the usefulness of the forum as an educational tool about Y2K. People come here looking for information about Y2K. If they have to wade through OT posts, it hinders their search for Y2K information.

To those making OT posts: You are making it harder for people to get information about Y2K. That's probably not your intention but that is the effect. Why not do a search for forums that concern the topics you want to discuss and post there?

-- A Programmer (notmy@address.com), December 02, 1999.

Do NOT delete.

-- (normally@ease.notnow), December 02, 1999.

I think the "contrail & WTO " posts should be excluded from this forum and included in a more appropriate forum. I do agree that they tend to portray all Y2K preparers as some kind of NWO conspiracy theorist. I guess we are our own worst enemy when we allow these type of extreme viewpoints included in more mainstream forums. Thanks Bill for saying what I have thought for months and kept silent about.

-- Ty Campbell (tcampbel@otfs.state.ga.us), December 02, 1999.

Hey, this thread is definitely OT!
:-}

-- spider (spider0@usa.net), December 02, 1999.

Bill and Ty,
Would you like some Roquefort with that vintage, or perhaps something less piquant, shall I suggest, American White Cheddar?

-- Jay Urban (Jayho99@aol.com), December 02, 1999.

Hmmmm.... yes they are off topic and perhaps not critical to a y2k discussion. But i do feel that certian aspects of both WTO and contrails apply to y2k. BNC warfare occuring because of a weakened defense due to y2k... is certainly one of our "leaders" concerns. They have issued realms of PR stuff about this. The WTO is interesting in the way Martial law was brought into play in Seattle. Also wasn't it interesting how Y2K was a non-issue in the WTO talks? LOL. While chemtrails are a lot like talking about ufo's (you gotta experience one to become a believer), they are something we should file as possible data to consider at a future time. For that reason alone i believe this is a fair use OT subject for this y2k forum. Thus please don't delete them, but ask the users for moderation.

-- A Guy (waiting@y2kgetit.com), December 02, 1999.

Bill,

No.

Y2K does not happen in a vacuum. *Some* of the disscussions may or may not appear to be Y2K-related... yet. Time will tell. Or not.

"Who knows...?" and skip threads that don't interest you.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), December 02, 1999.

We thought chemtrails were marginally Off Topic until we were right under them. Funny how being sprayed changes one's priorities and perceptions. As Y2K approaches the spraying appears to be accelerating. *** SOMEBODY *** up there thinks there is a correlation! And that somebody does not have divine benevolence!

Don't know what it is -- had some inspiration which we posted -- but don't KNOW. But have seen it; it is real, unfortunately.

CDC

And look, in Seattle, what are they using to subdue and disperse crowds, huh?

CHEMICALS

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 02, 1999.

IMHO - Do not delete.

Government actions in regard to bio or other terrorism and riots are issues related to rollover. This rollover period is presumed (particularly by the federal government) to offer a window of opportunity for such events because of increased disruption from computer system problems. The events in Seattle give us an estimation of how government forces have been trained to react in circumstances of severe public reaction to y2k disruptions. (Say, for instance, the failure to issue public "entitlement" benefit checks.) I consider the items to be OT.

I also appreciate postings on other phenomenon, (such as CMEs or earthquakes,) which may occur concurrently with the effects of y2k. For instance, the earthquakes in Taiwan are likely to effect production of replacement computer chips. Solar flairs are likely to disrupt satellite related services.

The issue to me is more the full effect of the rollover period on my family and business than trying to isolate the computer phenomenon from events. As I live in a real world and not a vacuum, I am preparing for the full effect, not just my personal microwave or PC failing from the date changeover.

As for whether such discussion might scare a newbie or leave the impression that we are wackos - too bad. I have participated in this forum for about a year. I do so because I find it of continued value and interest to me. It helps me to maintain awareness of world events that may have a significant effect on my family so that I am able to prepared to meet them. At this late date, it is a tad bit too late to spend a great deal of time debating or convincing others of factors that may effect them in the upcoming weeks. If people have not proceeded past the researching mode into action, they are probably not going to be able to respond with any depth beyond minor preparation.

IMHO, Stan's post serves well for the purpose of guiding any newly GIT newbie to steps for preparation.

-- anon (anon@anon.calm), December 02, 1999.

I disagree with the original poster. I find these topics to be extremely important, because we need to be keeping an eye out for anything "out of the ordinary" durring this point of the game.

-- C. Hill (pinionsmachine@hotmail.com), December 02, 1999.

Is the outlawing of gas masks OT? Riots? Gas explosions?

Leave the OT topics alone. We get a lot of news on this board, and we would never see it if it were scattered on a dozen other forums (fora?). Besides, it's too late in the game to change things now.

regards,

gene

-- gene (ekbaker@essex1.com), December 02, 1999.

I agree with Diane as she makes an excellent point which I have been saying for almost 3 years and that is: "Y2K will not happen in a vacuum". Y2K will be an opportunity and a trip wire for world wide pandemonium with the potential of dramatically changing the geo- political landscape.

The closer we get to Show Time, just about anything this administration does or doesn't will probably relate to Y2K. For example, I believe that the big reason Hillary won't commit to a senate race in New York is that she is waiting to see how the first week or so of January shakes out. I'm surprised that I haven't heard Rush or anybody else mention this.

-- S. David Bays (SDBAYS@prodigy.net), December 02, 1999.

Well, the Sysop has spoken, and that's that. I can and DO skip over OT labelled topics that don't appear to be of interest, but it gets a bit old.

I am primarily concerned that the more pertinent topics dissapear quickly enough, and all the more so with the plethora of OT posts.

Some of them MAY be related to Y2k in a distant fashion, it's hard to tell. Contrails for example. I have not experienced it yet, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Considering what I know and believe about our wonderful caring govt, it's likely that they are up to no good.

Oh well, I spoke my piece, and I'll abide by what the sysop wants.

-- Bill (billclo@msgbox.com), December 02, 1999.

I agree with Dianne, (again), turn the channel if you don't like it.

.....Hello, sdb, I hadn't realized you were from cuttingedge. Nice topics, but you really lose me with that rapture stuff.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), December 02, 1999.

Patrick: Sorry, no comprende. Rapture stuff? I do have a big issue with regards to the Pre-trib rapture and that is: it is false doctrine, false teaching and unbiblical. I hate to see my brothers and sisters in Christ being mislead about such things. The price for ignorance will be steep. Paul was/is not a liar and a false prophet and he claims in 2Thes. 2:1-4 that the Lord Jesus will not return until "the" Anti-christ is revealed and onto the world scene.

Other than that, I don't think I've ever discussed my "rapture" insights on this forum. God began showing me Y2K back in '92, '93, '94, and '95. When Y2K began to appear on my radar screen I then began to understand. (sorry for the ramble)

-- S. David Bays (SDBAYS@prodigy.net), December 02, 1999.

CAN the cry-baby stuff. Grow up and quit trying to fluff the pillows on this forum's couch. They're plump already, cozy, comfy. If you're so uncomfortable......go home!

Times a wastin'. Please quit your sissy whining. You 'box-thinking' types are becoming annoying. Get a grip.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), December 03, 1999.

Bill,

F.Y.I. the front, top level page, is set to display posts for 2 days. The "New/Recent Answers" page is set to display posts for 7 days, and doesn't scroll off as fast.

We've learned over the past year, that things that don't appear to be Y2K-related "can" be. And vice versa.

(Take the Marine Urban Warrior exercises for one example).

Expect the unexpected... and you might not get surprised.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), December 03, 1999.

I know this is pretty far out, but Art Bell had a guest a few nights ago, talking about chem spray. One of his comments was that effects of the chem could be to "calm the people, in case of possible problems, things like Y2K". Like I said, pretty far fetched, but who knows, anything is possible. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), December 03, 1999.

Sysman--on the money. With that kind of attitude alot more souls would be a tad bit less hysterical in the coming days.

-- worldswithinworlds (karlacalif@aol.com), December 03, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

For another view of the forum, which does not scroll off so fast, go to New Answers.

Chemtrails is not off topic. That being said, it does seem as though most of the 20+ chemtrails topics started during the past day or so have been done by trolls. The people's handles are usually not familiar to me. If they're lurking and inspired to post on a Y2K forum because they see that others have done so, then they should be posting on threads already started by others, unless there is some compelling reason that a new thread is needed. Having only a few threads per day on these whooowhooo topics would go a long way toward making the forum welcoming to newbies who may not be altogether convinced that Y2K is even a problem.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 03, 1999.

I don't think it is trolls posting the many chemtrail threads. It is newer people encountering the site and thinking it is a chemtrail forum.

At least Andy Ray was on topic.

-- Lurking on the sidelines (Alw@ys lurking.com), December 03, 1999.