I noticed that several people are planning to test samples of the substance being dispersed from airplanes, and I think this calls for all the help we can muster up out there from anyone with smarts in this field. It doesn't matter whether or not you have observed the chemtrails, or whether you even believe that there is anything unusual going on. The important thing is to get the right kind of testing done if possible to prove it one way or the other.

Others claim to have performed a few tests, but I think they were primarily looking for traces of chemicals. The current concensus on this forum seems to be that we think there is a high possibility of biological material within the substance, most likely an anthrax or smallpox vaccine. It is important to perform the correct type of tests that would reveal this material, if that is even possible.

Please share any information you have that might be useful. There is only one manufacturer of the form of vaccine being given in the form of shots, and here is their description of the vaccine:

BioPort Corporation



My understanding is that the vaccine material is actually a dead portion of the anthrax virus itself which helps to stimulate gowth of the antibodies. It is also important to know if it is possible for this to be altered or incorporated into another material (possibly a polymer?) that would serve to conceal it from detection in standard tests.

I understand that the lab tests can be expensive, but I think some people said they may have access to the equipment, so we're hoping that someone will be able to get a good sample and will know what to be looking for.

Thanks to everyone for all of their responses and assistance!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 01, 1999

Answers

FYI----High Pressure Liquid Chromatography will detect the substances you suspect---and yes it's expensive!

-- av8r (av8r@aol.com), December 01, 1999.

Hawk, Way to use the Internet for what it was intended for, dude! Networking to the nth degree! Cool.

-- Jay Urban (Jayho99@aol.com), December 01, 1999.

Anthrax antigen would respond nicely to "immuno" tests such as Western blots (relatively cheap), or IRMA (Immuno-radio-metric assay) with a high level of certainty. Using HPLC wouldn't tell us very much if the protein is in a "mix" of other proteins that may have similar size and charges. Also, it is not possible to "hide" an anthrax antigen in a solution. If it is to work effectively in eliciting an immune response in the human body then the antigen would be necessarily exposed in tests using anitbodies. Also, it is NOT possible to conceal the vaccine. Immuno tests look for a specific series of amino acids that make up the anthrax antigen protein. If you flank the series on either side with a polymer of other AA's then the protein loses it's proper biologically active conformation and no longer works as an anthrax antigen or vaccine.

Jeff

-- Jeff (gradstudent@purdue.edu), December 01, 1999.

av8r,

FYI......HPLC is "High PERFORMANCE Liquid Chromatography" not "high pressure liquid chromatography".

Jeff

-- Jeff (gradstudent@purdue.edu), December 01, 1999.

I'm sure I've missed this in a prior post, but what you are seeing with the "pearl" contrails is the exhaust from the hypersonic surveillence jet, the Aurora. The jet uses a pulsed detonation engine creating the pearls. High altitude windspeed would be too great to know where in the world any dispersion would land. The biggest threat of chemical warfare is a change in the wind.

-- A.R. (g_seven@hotmail.com), December 01, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

What category do we look under in the phone book, and what questions do we ask them in order to know if they are qualified for the job? Expensive? Oh... how expensive?

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 01, 1999.

I seriously doubt the feds would get upset enough over a little anthrax to try and do a low grade inoculation via aerosol....for several reasons (thanks for the info though).

Anthrax is your basic steam powered bio-agent. It isn't even considered to be in the top 5 most likely agents to use by Russian biowar experts. It requires a lot of agent to infect on average (5K- 10K particles) so you need lots of it and it is not infectious person- to-person. All it has going for it is that it's persistent in the environment and pretty cheap to brew. There are known vaccine and antibiotic resistent strains as well.

If someone offered me a million dollars to guess what any immunization present in chemtrails might be for I'd have to guess virola major; smallpox

P.S. Ken Alibek's book "Biohazard" is required reading.

-- Don Kulha (dkulha@vom.com), December 01, 1999.

Thank you Jeff! You recommend the Western blot or IRMA tests, and to look for the protein characteristics of the antigen. Thanks very much for the helpful information!

Don, do you think it is possible that the government could have developed enough smallpox vaccine for this type of spraying, and would it remain active in that form?

According to the Department of Defense Anthrax Information they say... "Anthrax spores are the top choice in biological weapons for "germ warfare." I don't think they are concerned about Russia as much as rogue nations and terrorists, who may choose to use anthrax because it is "the poor man's nuclear bomb."

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 01, 1999.

As I indicated in a reply to another thread on the chemtrails on this forum, I do not believe that the spraying is benevolent. When (if?) someone checks the residue, please also check for things that could set us up for harm later. I don't know what these might be, but part one of a binary poison comes to mind.

George

-- George Valentine (georgevalentine@usa.net), December 01, 1999.

Hawk:

I hope that someone has pointed out to you that Anthrax is not caused by a virus. To check, I scanned the last few weeks on news articles on the subject and, yep, they all called it a virus. Remember, journalists are technologically challenged.

Best wishes,,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 01, 1999.

Sorry, I guess it is a bacteria. That's why I was asking for help from microbiologists. Thanx. :-)

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 01, 1999.

There was a story on another thread about a lab in Canada that did some testing of the suspected droppings of the chemstrails. They said they found bacteria such as I believe Serratia, Baccilus, and other enterobacteriaceae. These bacteria are found in feces the same as Escherichia Coli. I have heard that sometimes jets flush and empty their toilets in the air if they get too full. Could this be not all of it, but part of the problem?...I don't know. But this is just and injection of info that might help you. Of course the pilots would not admit to this if it were so.

-- Gay Boling (wilber@montanasky.net), December 02, 1999.

Yep. Western blot is probably a good first step. A good panel of different antibodies along with all positive and negative controls would be important, however. Lots of times Western blots ain't very clean looking if the antibodies suck.

HPLC could be important if you can't get a high enough concentration of your gunk and need to concentrate it in pure fractions, which would then be lyophilized and reconstituted in 1x PBS with azide and stored at 4.

-- coprolith (coprolith@fakemail.com), December 02, 1999.

Gay, you raise a good question and here's why the chemtrails we are seeing are not sky toilets being flushed.

1. What ever is being sprayed is aerosolized to stay up in the air. Waste products, upon release would simply fall to the ground.

2. Federal regulation requires jet waste matter from a toilet to be blue in color.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), December 02, 1999.

Don, do you think it is possible that the government could have developed enough smallpox vaccine for this type of spraying, and would it remain active in that form?

According to the Department of Defense Anthrax Information they say... "Anthrax spores are the top choice in biological weapons for "germ warfare." I don't think they are concerned about Russia as much as rogue nations and terrorists, who may choose to use anthrax because it is "the poor man's nuclear bomb."

Public statements say that there is nowhere near enough smallpox vaccine to do this. Maybe enough to dose 12 million folks if the info is correct/true. We really don't know.

As to whether anthrax is a likely agent ??? The Russians say that Plague, smallpox, tulermia, VEE and ebola would be the prefferable agents. I don't recall the exact numbers but former scientists at Biopreparat, the sov/russian organization in charge of bioagent development have gone "missing", hundreds of them, over half. Some are known to be working in Iran and Iraq. Whether they took seed cultures with them when they left Russia is unknown but considered most likely. I think the defense dept. would like to believe anthrax is the agent most likely to be used....to quote C.J. Peters at CDC "Hope is an expensive commodity".

-- Don Kulha (dkulha@vom.com), December 02, 1999.