I will go way out on a limb here, and offer a possible explanation for the chemtrails.

Most of the input I've read recently seems to indicate that chemtrails were primarily over rural or moderately populated areas.
Chemtrails started appearing last Dec. but were not really seen during the spring or summer.
What if the government in light of y2k is testing coverage patterns using various dosages of a low level bacteria, just enough to get people mildly sick, and confining it to lesser populated areas in case something goes wrong. (remember AIDS)
So that late in Dec. something can be sprayed over the highly populated areas ( maybe the 120 cities) that will sicken, or otherwise compromise the populace so that they will not riot, rape, loot, or pillage during y2k.
Yeah, its a bit of a stretch, but whooda thought our gov would give all of our nuke secrets to China?

-- Rainman (rainman@uh-oh.com), November 25, 1999

Answers

Recently talked to a bro of mine (e-6) stationed at Ft Campbell KY. He's in a ADA (air defense artillery) unit as part of a Stinger Team. Recently they had feild manuvuers, and like me, he is very is familiar with the contrail issue. None the less, until this happened, he was more inclined to 'fence sitting' on the issue. Now he's not so sure.

According to him, and I am inclined to believe him, at one point, him and his crew were doing "Stinger Drills", exercises utilizing everything but a live missle to practice hostile air attack defence. This uses a concrete filled tube for the correct weight, but the real "seeker-tracker" unit is attached so the crew can train with total reality. In this case the crew uses any airborne object, Blackhawk, AH-64, anything at all that can be used as a target reference to train with.

This's where it gets hokey...

He told me on one particular afternoon, around 1500 hours, he and his partner were chilling out after working on drills all day when he noticed that a 'civilian style 727' was leaving a contail like pattern around the immeadiate area. He told me and expained to me that, for "Shits and Giggles" they loaded up his stinger platform, powered it up, and began to track the aircraft. He also said that the plane was 'doglegging' it and leaving a "distinct" pattern. At one point, his gunner told him that he had a clean shot, and that the target was within the range fan. My bro told him to "lock and get tone" meaning to tag the aircraft with the seeker and simulate the attack on the plane. The gunner did so at that time.

Now this's when I get worried...

Once the gunner, (a spec4) tagged the target plane, the plane almost within seconds ceased spitting out the contrail, and simeltaneously cut a sharp turn to the left. The plane left the area in a bou-cou rush, the whole while 'gunning it'. The gunner ceased tracking, and my bro was amazed. His gunner stated that it was almost as though the plane had known it was sensor-locked and took evasive action. My bro told him not to worry, that civilian aircraft can't sense a stinger lock, that it was a coincedence, and to forget about it. On the other hand, he told me that normally, only military aircraft could pick up on that kind of lock. He told me it really freaked him out to see the contrail stop, and the plane race off as if it was being chased. Later, (the next day) his entire unit was given a 'safety brief' on the do's and don'ts of the stinger training, and how they were to "Not use civilian aircraft as simulated targets" and that the Battalion Commander would fry the ass of anyone caught doing so. This really had him worried, so he told his gunner to clam up, or they'd both be fried. He related it to me during our 'holiday call' and told me there was definately something behind those planes. Just thought I'd relate this. It really is filed under "Things that make you go "hmmmm...."

-- Billy-Boy (Rakkasan@yahoo.com), November 25, 1999.

Nice try, but no cigar. The lab tests show that chemtrails are highly toxic. Check out William Thomas's website. His show on Art Bell was deleted from broadcast.com. Or never archived.

-- samIam (dr@seu.ss), November 25, 1999.

In 96 I was living the Chicago area,and recall seeing unique contrails in the sky. At the time I thought they were quite unique in that they were in a criss cross patern, and had pointed them out to my coworkers. At the time we all noted them and thought they were just happpenstance. Since then my wife and I moved west to a heavally wooded area with agriculture surrounding us. In 97 I was diagnosed with asma. While in the Chicago area I had had early signs of it but did not know what it was . My son born in 91 in the chicago area came down with asma at about 18 months. I think that this asma was probly caused by the area we lived in, plus our house had had a lot of old carpeting and shower tile that we had to replace, also in the chicago area is heavily infested with molds and fungus of which I am very reactive to. I am hesitant to jump on the contrail band wagon partly do to the fact that when I went to the site the pictures there looked like contrails that were normal not anything speacial, although the descriptions here on tb2000 sound more like what I saw in the sky,but my sitings were a number of years ago. So what I saw was either just contrails ,or this stuff has been going on a lot longer that just than a year ago.

-- (freeman@interx.net), November 25, 1999.

---THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THAT STORY. Geez, getting out this chemtrail stuff is MUCH harder than y2k. I think you've nailed it. I've been saying over and over for 2 years now that the feds and nwo goons are planning on "neutralizing" some millions of people. They have many reasons. A biggee is that we have NO backup cities, we have NO infrastructure in place that can "take care of people" or "evacuate" them someplace. If y2k hits as more than a 5-6 the first week, the fed gov will have to render the extremely angry, hungry, thirsty populations impotent of any offensive action it(the population) would take to drag the incompetent gov down and rebuild. Yes, the citizens have a lot of "guns". Yes, I can do simple math. And, yes, it's real easy to see the outcome if millions and millions are sick amd dying from being sprayed. Those numbers and guns are NEUTRALIZED.

EGADS, the obvious testing and statistical tracking was blatant as hell last year in atlanta. First, a week of heavy spraying, followed by two weeks later of dozens and dozens of radio spots- "call this number if you are experiencing upper respiratory distress that doesn't respond to treatment". the number was to a BOGUS cutout that led to who knows where, but it certainly wasn't some medical office in the yellow pages. I'm sure there are metro readers here who remember those ads. They ran on the talk radio stations. I had two personal friends who both got sick as a dog with that spraying, too, one called me up because of watching the chemtrails, and SEEING some floating crap and touching it, followed a few hours later by illness so severe he was coughing up blood.

Yes, part of the chemtrail spraying is "simulant" testing, getting their act together on how to do it effectively.

This BYTES it big time, and it's "someones son or brother, etc." WHO'S CREWING THE PLANES, WHO'S FILLING THE TANKS, WHO'S WORKING THE MIL TOWERS, AND NONE OF THEM CAN "GET IT". Or if they do, they are petrified into silence. They are all being fed a load of BS by their "superior officers" and are swallowing it. And are SPRAYING the American people. Wish that dood had had a REAL stinger, and had used it. Y2k is NOT the biggest problem we are facing, it's merely an important political trigger date time frame for the beginnings of the completion of fascist takeover. This is my belief. Absolutely all the "signs" are there. Throughout history, whenever a government has been about to fall from malfeasance on it's part, it has always first instituted severe internal "controls" as in becoming completely despotic in nature if it alreadys wasn't so, and in murdering it's own people by the scores. It's GOING TO happen here.

I'm disgusted. And I'm also sad that the nature of our society precludes anyone from telling the truth because of fear of reprisals, both in the civilian and military vectors. Everyone is scarerd witless. No one will talk. the reprisals are genuine. Folks, we are IN A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP ALREADY, and it's just going to get WORSE.

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 25, 1999.

Hey!

You guys really need to stop eating so much red meat.

-- flyboy (demon behind every@tree.com), November 25, 1999.

First off, the William Thomas site will alert everyone that while Americans believe this is only happening here, it is really on a world-wide scale. I first noticed the x's and crosses in the sky one year ago and am amazed at the gall our air force has in denying knowledge of the events. I am struck by the pure guts it takes for weather-types to call these things ice crystal formations. The intentional flight patterns employed would give any intelligent person great pause: why is this being done?

I've heard the various rotisserie explanations: weather control, spraying the population against anthrax, etc. I am no longer very sure. Thomas' mailing list last year said we'd seen a high water mark year in terms of respiratory infections like pneumonia, brochitis, pluracy...and a lot of sudden diagnoses of asthma.

I think that will continue.

I am amazed that the media and the great masses are so caught up in their own lives that they've not even looked up in the sky to see this aerial show. Truly, it worries me that the media is both so reactionary to stories which have already occurred and so tabloid as to ignore such a thing.

Lastly, to say that these things didn't transpire last summer--that some sort of break took place--I say baloney. Not in the east anyway,a nd additionally, this:

I am 39. I have never seen continual military transports fly over at low altitudes---3 in close succession in a straight line---like I have this past summer and fall. I am very observant, and when I couple this with the chemtrails....well, maybe it's time to think that something is up.

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), November 25, 1999.

What gets me is that fact that these aircraft are disguised, camoflaged if you will. The last instances that I can remember was a lil' flying club called Air America, and the other was when ole' Tricky Dick was sending covert aid to the Isrealis back during the six day war in, was it 68 or 72? I remember that one because at the time, we lived (parents brother an' me) in the air-landing/takeoff pattern of Pease Air Force Base outside of Portsmouth New Hampshire. Here was the President, saying on TV that we were not giving any aid to the Isrealis, that they were on their own, and yet, Surprise! We got 707s, painted in El-Al Airlines colors, flying all over the airbase. Not to mention the Boston Globe Reporter who got bagged infiltrating the airbase and who took all sorts of mad photos of the Air Force Kids covering the Airforce markings with pre-designed and painted El-Al contact paper. That one made the front page of all sorts of crazy newspapers....

-- Billy-Boy (Rakkasan@yahoo.com), November 25, 1999.

Billy-Boy, my family has a long military history and I understand your comments about covert-ops. I guess what the public knows won't hurt em, eh?

Check out this link:

http://www.contrailconnection.com

the planes you speak of are white and I can't tell if they are military or not. With all of this evidence, one has to say that this is one of the great con-jobs of the late 20th century.

Regards.

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), November 25, 1999.

Good morning and Happy Thanksgiving. How many of you guys in your early 50's remember flights of three C-123's flying patterns very similar to the ones being described. What they were spraying was designed to defoliate, they were at a much lower altitude, and the spray did not have the same characteristics as the chemtrails being described here. Still...

Michael

-- michael frazier (mfrazier@pacific.net), November 25, 1999.

I myself have not seen these chemtrails but for what its worth several years congress passed legislation authorizating DOD and related to do chemical and bio test on American citizens w/o their knowledge. Can't remember the bill number and do not have a link but it would be available on the net somewhere and maybe someone on this forum has the link.

-- Ed (ed@lizzardranch.com), November 25, 1999.

Mike, the transport planes I've seen aren't doing the spraying. It was simply noteworthy that these big babies were flying over so low, and in close succession.

Ed, I've heard this related a number of times. Amazing that we can all be guinea pigs for the military---legally.

Regards.

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), November 25, 1999.

Has anyone seen these patterned contrails in Florida? I watch the sky all the time and never see them. But by damn, I saw a WHITE BUSS BEING HAULED BY A GOV'T TRUCK!! My question is this: Why would they spray by air, when the multitude of people spend most of their days and nights in buildings? Seems like a very inefficient way of contaminating the human system. Furthermore, it would do the same for the wild life system. Anyone seen signs of deer staggering around? Or even wild turkeys and squirrels? I don't say the gov't is above doing this, but surely there would be a cheaper and more effective and more secretive manner in which to do it. Hop over the fence at night and put it into the water systems, for one.

Taz

-- Taz (Tassie123@aol.com), November 25, 1999.

Not a chemtrail story, but about those "white" planes.

'We' saw 1 small white plane out ahead of another very strange looking and much larger jet.- Strange looking was why I paid attention to it for as long as I could.- The 2 were headed (about) due north approximately 20 miles east of the coast in the northwest US. This second 'goofy' looking plane "came apart" and it took me a moment to realize that it was a refueling hookup that caused the strange appearance of the second large plane.

After they unhooked, the 2 smaller white (fighters?) formed up and made a right angle turn headed straight west which would (if they continued) take them past the coast and over the Pacific. The larger plane (tanker?) continued due north. 'We' heard no engine sounds at all, and the aircraft were I guess flying at about a mid-altitude, neither low nor very high.

BillyBoy,

It is unlikely that a non-military craft would do a mid-flight refuel correct? Do U.S. military use bright white aircraft? Who does if not ours?

'We' live in a rural area and become accustomed to the usual goings on here, so it got our attention too when a white helicopter did about a half dozen passes right overhead-so low you wondered if you could hit it by throwing a stone. It was a Bell I think. The kind with just a bubble cockpit and the rest of the superstructure bare metal. It was outfitted like a crop sprayer-a bar near the landing gear with about 8(?)nozzles. It didn't spray that I could see, but kept flying the same pattern. 'We' have never seen that `copter before and as far as we know there isn't one like that based near here. Real unusual and haven't seen it since. Anybody know what gives with these white aircraft?

-- maid upname (noid@ihope.com), November 25, 1999.

back to the stinger,, this missle has the capability of sending an electronic signal to the target. this is called identification friend or foe. does anyone know if "civilian" aircraft have a capability of picking this signal up?

-- paul (epaul@pldi.net), November 25, 1999.

SamIam---LINK?

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), November 25, 1999.

Live near Langley, VA and under the public airport flight pattern. Lots of dead birds here. Last month I drove 30 min to Norfolk, and saw innumerable dead birds on curbs. I'm 34, and have lived in VA all but 5 yrs in Baltimore, never saw anything like it. And we have this new night fog thing goin on, that hangs yellow in the air just above groung level. Yesterday a.m. the public airport had to close cause of it. Three months back I took the same Hampton-Roads Bridge Tunnel, with my window cracked 3 inches or so. Thought I felt something brush by my head. Reached my destination to find blood all over the inside of my car, driver side back window and rear window, Large dead bird on floor behind driver seat, and large dead bird caught in rear shoulder belt, decapitated by belt. Both pigeons. Damndest thing ever, still gives me the willies!

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), November 25, 1999.

Maid: Little chopper look Like this:?

If so, these are mostly used by small, rurally located cropdusters in getting the crops done. Could be about anything tho'

-- Billy-Boy (Rakkasan@yahoo.com), November 25, 1999.

Maid: To Continu, (ran out of room w/ the picture) As far as I have ever seen, the only whit aircraft that the military has are either attached to or part of the "General's/Admiral's Fleet" These are usually small C-21 designated aircraft, like the bigger lear jets that the Senators and other High Ranking Brass get to run around on as part of the 'percs' of the job. The only other aircraft like that inm the possesson of the .gov would be the NASA fleet. Even then, usually, the aircraft have some coloration, either dark blue or sky blue underbellies. As far as the refueling ability, from my research on the subject, only military aircraft have the ability to refuel in mid flight. No other airplanes have the ability.

Paul, in response to the aircraft question, I checked it out and as far as I can tell, The IFF sends out its coding full time, and that both .mil and civilians have this transponder encoded with the 'type' of aircraft that is currently in the air. The Stinger locks onto this and a heat source, and chases down the target for up to 8KM. This transponder in military craft, from what I understand can tell if it is 'locked' by another transponder, thereby signaling to the pilot "Hey Asshole!!! Move or we're toast!!!" Civilian aircraft do not have this ability. This's what goofed my bro out so bad, that the 727 "Turned on it's heel and took off like a bat outta hell!!" (his quote, not mine) when the stinger locked. On another note, the transponder can be rigged to falsely brodcast what type of plane a particular aircraft is. This happened in the Persian Gulf, when the Iranians intentionally reprogrammed that 737 to brodcast the transponder to F-14 stats, thereby causing our ship, (The Stark I think) to dust it's ass and kill 150 +/- people. They got a lot of mileage out of that one on the world sympathy card as I recall...

-- Billy-Boy (Rakkasan@yahoo.com), November 25, 1999.

BillyBoy,

The bubble on the copter is about the same, but the tail section appeared more like the metal erection sets (no joke) we played with as kids. A squarish four cornered tapering down to the end where the rotor is I think. It was white also.

The planes were all white (of course could not see the upper side of the tanker, but the smaller fighters[?] in their sharp turn seemed were white all around). We have certain copters here we know and regularly see, hospital/CGuard/Construction etc., but this one I don't know.

One thing personal. I saw you change your attitude after I hit your "hotbutton" with the post on tanks. I admire that about you.

I appreciate you getting back to me. I apologize for the "loose mouth" post too.

Best regards, God bless you.

-- maid upname (noid@ihope.com), November 25, 1999.

Ed,

This might help, go to sightings.com and click on--Short history of US Bio Weapons testing on innocent civilians.

-- Maggie (aaa@aaa.com), November 25, 1999.

Bad Company- You seem like a rational/non-paranoid kinda guy to me. If you're buying into this William Thomas garbage you may want a little insight into what he's really all about...

http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swallowtail/619/linesinsk y.html

-- CD (not@here.com), November 26, 1999.

If the white buses are UN, why wouldn't the white planes be white, also?

-- Liz Pavek (lizpavek@hotmail.com), November 26, 1999.

Duh...RE the white planes: I goofed. I meant to say: if the white buses are UN, why wouldn't the white planes ALSO be UN?

-- Liz Pavek (lizpavek@hotmail.com), November 26, 1999.