There doesn't seem to be the fire, or conviction of even a few months ago.

All those critical '99 dates passed with nary a sign of problems. And it seems Y2K the Movie was simply ignored. Milne's muted. Ed fled. Hamaski vanashky. Even Cut & Paste Andy, in despair at the gold price, has gone off, disconsolate, to drink warm beer in London.

Maybe the Doomers recognise that they've underestimated Man's incredible ability to 'get by', to go round, under, or over a problem. To conquer in the face of adversity. To find a way. Even if it's a bit of a stumble.

Maybe that's what will occur: some problems that will be jumped on quickly and rectified, after a fashoin. A few scares, disruptions, isolated serious problems, then by March or April, business as usual.

As I said at the top, I'm not a troll (and it seems under this new, dictatorial, censoring regime, it needs to be proved). I'm well prepared for 6 months, with a retreat 70 miles from a 7-11. When I started preparing 12 or 14 months ago, I thought it would be total and complete disaster. Now, whilst I don't regret the insurance, I don't believe it'll be needed.

The only thing I'm not looking forward to are the snide remarks of family and friends whom I tried unsuccessfully to GI. I think they were right.

-- Asking (Asking@aquestion.com), November 25, 1999

Answers

Asking, I do think you are a bit disingenuous, but I'll be polite. Do people now think the Y2K event will be a mere bump in the road? No. I do not get that from reading the posts here. People who regularly visit this forum appear to continue to believe that the United States as well as other countries in the world community are in grave trouble. There is no way, given the information we have seen, even as recently as this week from the US government, that this will be a nonevent. I have not stopped preparing and I advise you to not stop either. Best wishes.

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), November 25, 1999.

If you look over threads that have been posted over the last couple of days, you will find all kinds of "fire" starting to brew. New computer systems that have been ramrodded into place to replace old, non-compliant systems, are having major problems and causing a huge wave of awareness. This gives a mere forshadowing of what will happen when systems that were not replaced, but rather had fixes ramrodded into them, start going bonkers in January. If you bother to review the recent threads, many people have stated that this has indeed given them added incentive to prepare even more so.

Nobody who honestly is preparing for Y2K will give a damn about what people are going to say if nothing happens. You saw a possible threat, you took out some insurance, the threat didn't materialize. Life goes on. End of story.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 25, 1999.

Asking,

I just had a phone conversation with a relative that suprised me. I sent out the gov's handout & the red cross to my nearest & dearest well over a year ago. They all blew it off. I 'sucked it up' & went on. Now I get a call from a marginal relation in a marginal location saying he's heard some stuff & wanted confirmation. I didn't ever want to be in this position. I'm hoping for the best, but suprised by the call.

Really wish I could get to a point in this for you, but I can't...

-- flora (***@__._), November 25, 1999.

Too little time to worry about what other people think.

-- Uncle Bob (UNCLB0B@Tminus36&counting.down), November 25, 1999.

Like Uncle Bob said, "too little time". I might add that most all the people I know that take y2k serious are just plain TIRED. Physically and emotionally. We feel that there is a threat and we make alterations in our life styles to accomodate that threat. If it doesn't materialize....no big deal. I would feel that maybe I didn't need to buy that extra 1500 lbs of feed for the horses or the extra chicken feed and I could have used that money for a more lavish Christmas. My family has (Thank God) been very supportive and has encouraged me in all aspects of y2k preps. They have been my backbone when the list of things to do has overwhelmed me.

As I said, no time and too tired to fight. No adrenaline left to waste on an impassioned post. I need to save what I have for whatever is coming down the pike.

-- Lobo (atthelair@yahoo.com), November 25, 1999.

Lost fire?? Lost Purpose?? NOPE!

PRAYING HARDER THAT YOU ARE RIGHT ANDS THAT IT'S A BITR!!!!!

(Look over the last couple days of events and try to tell me that the Doombrood has lost it's fire. HOOY BOY!

C

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), November 25, 1999.

Not a troll,

If you thought it was going to be real bad and now all you worry about is snide remarks; I think that's not such a bad trade-off. I'll take snide remarks over Y2K problems with great relief. The question now: What are you going to do with all your preps? Donate them, have a yard sale, or all of the above. You could even have an online auction in the prep forum with the sysops permit. Do you got a baygen radio and lantern? How about an extra thousand rounds of 308. Or do you really just want to hold on to that insurance until June or July, just in case.

I look forward to your answer.

Sincerely,
Stan Faryna

Ready for Y2K? Got 14 days of water, food, way to keep warm and cook?
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One time deal on a inexpensive grain mill
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Water filters for less than suggested retail
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Gas masks, potassium iodide, solar ovens, etc
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-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 25, 1999.

Asking,

Rather than worry about possible snide remarks, credit yourself with being part of an undercurrent that doubtless helped accelerate what remediation HAS taken place. I too have considerable faith in Man's abilities and toughness and am greatful because we'll need them. Unfortunately, I also believe the complexities of the modern commerce and infrastructure upon which we all depend are beyond a man or an organization's ability to defend itself against a problem however diminished that remains nonetheless this pervasive. Sorry, rambled there. Good luck.

-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), November 25, 1999.

I would suspect that for those that have been posting for 9 months to a year or more, the content of the posting has changed. If you have not bothered to research the archives you will not know this. There is human emotional process involved here...one can only prepare and post at fever pitch for a certain infinite amount of time before moving to a "next phase" of things.

If you are looking for fever pitch preps...or theoretical discussions you need to check the archives located at the bottom of the new messages page (the archives).

Human Events have a shape related to time and perception and emotion. Perhaps you have hit the curve at time that leads you to believe we are less fervent. It is not probably the case.

--She in the sheet, upon the hilltop,...

-- Donna (moment@pacbell.net), November 25, 1999.

It's all tied together, datawise or domino theory. Lost heart? No. Simply prepared for whichever way the wind blows. I don't think you'll have to worry about snide remarks. Even a bump in the road will have serious economic repercussions. The remarks will be more to the effect of "Damn....wish I'd done that."

-- reallyreallytired (axemansrv1@aol.com), November 25, 1999.

From the Executive Summary of the Senate Y2K Committee's 100 day report:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001Rwk

http://www.senate.gov/~y2k/documents/100dayrpt/exec_sum_100days.pdf

[snip]

Several countries of strategic and economic importance to the U.S. are severely behind in Y2K remediation efforts. Regions of the world of most concern to the Committee are Eastern Europe, Africa, and parts of Asia and South America. When considering strategic and economic factors, and the status of Y2K remediation efforts within specific countries, the Committee's greatest concerns lie with China, Russia, Italy, and several of the countries from which the U.S. imports oil.

Severe long and short term disruptions to supply chains are likely to occur. Such disruptions may cause a low to moderate downturn in the economy, particularly in those industries that depend on foreign suppliers. In addition, there may be a request for humanitarian relief from developing countries that have not addressed the Y2K problem.

[snip]

Asking,

That quote is probably the bottom line about Y2K for a majority of the U.S. public. Parts of the country could have temporary utility problems, though, and people in those areas who made some preparations ahead of time will be thankful that they had the sense to do so.

For a majority of Americans, Y2K is likely to be felt as a supply chain or economic issue. Even if you don't need your preps for utility problems, preps could still be quite handy if some items are scarce for awhile on grocery store shelves or if you become unemployed. We can only guess what the effect of supply chain problems might be on a stock market that many agree is overvalued.

I wouldn't worry about snide remarks from family and friends. They're likely to see how bad Y2K was in certain foreign countries and realize that it could have happened to them. It's a lot like a tornado or hurricane warning...you don't know for sure whether your area will take a direct hit or not, but it's not wise to ignore a warning. Sometimes effects are indirect, the way eastern North Carolina was hit by Floyd--not by what had been originally estimated to be a Class 4 hurricane--but by one of the worst floods there of the century.

Be prepared for an uncertain future next year.

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), November 25, 1999.

Lost heart? HELL NO!! Lost hope of helping others to GI? Mostly (:^(

Changed direction? You gotta be kidding....

http://www.worldtribune.com/two.html

Bin Laden has 20 nuclear bombs: Expert

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Monday, August 9, 1999

WASHINGTON -- Saudi fugitive Osama Bin Laden is believed to have up to 20 nuclear bombs and is seeking to launch a massive terrorist strike against the United States, a congressional investigator and author says.

Yosef Bodansky, a researcher of the House Task Force for Counterterrorism and author of a new book on Bin Laden, told a news conference on Friday that Bin Laden has been seeking to follow up on his bombings of two U.S. embassies in east Africa one year ago. Echoing U.S. officials, Bodansky said Bin Laden was thwarted in plans to blow up the U.S. embassy and two consulates in India in last December and January.

Bin Laden has biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, Bodansky said. The nuclear weapons include suitcase bombs acquired through Chechniyan rebels and received technical help from Iraq.

"The Russians believe that he has a handful [of nuclear weapons], the Saudi intelligence services are very conservative, perhaps they are friendly to the United States, believe that he has in the neighborhood of 20," Bodansky said. "As far as the acquisition and obtaining, there's the multiple sources of that, dealing with the actual purchase of suitcase bombs. His collection of individuals knowledgeable in activating the bombs and he is looking for and recruiting former Soviet special forces in learning how to operate the bombs behind enemy lines."

"As far as decision-making in Washington is concerned, we should assume that he has them," he added. "Most of them have been transferred through Pakistan."

"Let me stress here: We don't have any indication that they are going to use it tomorrow or any other day," added Bodansky, whose analyses are considered controversial in Washingon. "But they have the capability, they have the legitimate authorization, they have the logic for using it. So, one does not go into the tremendous amount of expenditures, effort, investment in human beings, in human resources, to have something that will be just kept somewhere in storage for a rainy day."

ORRRRRRRRR>>>>>>

[snip]WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Despite progress fixing the Y2K computer glitch, there is still a 70 percent chance that it will spark a global recession, Edward Yardeni, a top U.S. economic forecaster, said Tuesday.

"Indeed, Y2K could cause another energy crisis," Yardeni, chief economist at the investment bank Deutsche Morgan Grenfell in New York, said in an update of his famously gloomy Y2K predictions.

Yardeni said the other most likely cause of a Y2K-related recession were possible breakdowns in the "global just-in-time manufacturing system" because of weak links in the supply chain.

"I am truly amazed by the complacency about Y2K given the lack of good data," he added in a report posted on his Web site, www.yardeni.com.

Yardeni acknowledged that he was alone among noted economists and Wall Street investment strategists to forecast a Y2K-related recession.

Two years ago, when he started to research the software problem's disruptive potential, Yardeni concluded that there was a 30 percent chance of its causing a global downturn.

About a year ago, he raised the odds to 70 percent, adding that he might scale back his forecast if developments warranted.

"I remain at 70 percent," he said in the survey posted Tuesday. He said he was heartened by upbeat progress reports but concerned that most were not independently verified.

"Even more worrisome is the lack of any good information on preparations around the world," Yardeni said. "Like everyone else, I am hoping for the best. But I think it is a big mistake to plan for the best, rather than for plausible worst-case Y2K scenarios."

He said the most serious Y2K problems were likely to occur in industries that have long and complex global supply chains, lots of suppliers and are heavily dependent on information technology systems.

"This certainly describes the oil industry," said Yardeni, who has compared possible Y2K fallout to the recession that followed the 1973-1974 oil supply cutbacks by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

[snip] -- WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Despite progress fixing the Y2K computer glitch, there is still a 70 percent chance that it will spark a global recession, Edward Yardeni, a top U.S. economic forecaster, said Tuesday.

"Indeed, Y2K could cause another energy crisis," Yardeni, chief economist at the investment bank Deutsche Morgan Grenfell in New York, said in an update of his famously gloomy Y2K predictions.

Yardeni said the other most likely cause of a Y2K-related recession were possible breakdowns in the "global just-in-time manufacturing system" because of weak links in the supply chain.

"I am truly amazed by the complacency about Y2K given the lack of good data," he added in a report posted on his Web site, www.yardeni.com.

Yardeni acknowledged that he was alone among noted economists and Wall Street investment strategists to forecast a Y2K-related recession.

Two years ago, when he started to research the software problem's disruptive potential, Yardeni concluded that there was a 30 percent chance of its causing a global downturn.

About a year ago, he raised the odds to 70 percent, adding that he might scale back his forecast if developments warranted.

"I remain at 70 percent," he said in the survey posted Tuesday. He said he was heartened by upbeat progress reports but concerned that most were not independently verified.

"Even more worrisome is the lack of any good information on preparations around the world," Yardeni said. "Like everyone else, I am hoping for the best. But I think it is a big mistake to plan for the best, rather than for plausible worst-case Y2K scenarios."

He said the most serious Y2K problems were likely to occur in industries that have long and complex global supply chains, lots of suppliers and are heavily dependent on information technology systems.

"This certainly describes the oil industry," said Yardeni, who has compared possible Y2K fallout to the recession that followed the 1973-1974 oil supply cutbacks by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

[snip] --

ANNNNNNNNNND......

WHY? (I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS) > >We keep hearing that Y2K isn't going to be a problem, but if Y2K isn't going >to be a problem, then: > >Why are many large organizations in the U.S. still working on it after >having already spent100 billion dollars to fix it? > >Why are many government agencies and large corporations requiring key >executives and computer personnel to be on site, at work "with or without >their families" on New Year's eve? > >Why is the National Guard being put on alert for the end of the year in some >states? > >Why have 85% of the country's biggest companies created Y2K crisis centers >costing millions of dollars? > >Why have many police and fire departments canceled all leaves and time off >at the end of the year specifically because of Y2K? > >Why have many large companies bought back-up generators and started >stockpiling unusually large amounts of goods, replacement parts, components, >fuels and other materials? > >Why are many oceangoing freighters and tankers being kept out of ports and >out of narrow passages at the rollover date? > >Why have many airlines in Asia and around the world canceled flights >previously scheduled for the end of the year? > >Why do many bus and rail companies plan on temporarily suspending operations >around midnight on the 31st? > >Why are many chemical plants, oil and gas pipelines being shut down >temporarily at midnight? > >In short, if Y2K is definitely not going to be a problem, why are so many >large organizations spending so much time, money, and effort preparing for a >possible problem? > >I have a suggestion: Don't listen to what they're saying; watch what they're >doing. > >I don't know what's going to happen, but they seem to be taking this very >seriously. Maybe we should, too. > >

[end snip]

It seems that the sheeples dial tone mentality precludes the easier, softer wake up call. "It just couldn't happen here!" .. "THEY WON"T LET IT!" 1-2-00 ~> "OH S**T!! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?"

-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), November 25, 1999.

Betraying your instincts to be accepted by the masses could be hazardous to your health. Congratulations, you are now a full-fledged member of the sheeple herd.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 25, 1999.

Well, folks, that was a fairly considered and reasonable response - so far.. Thanks.

On reflection, maybe my doubts about fire and conviction is just what's going on in me. I admitt to being tired, and, after being so sure, and full on for all this time, starting to question the rationale of it all. Probably not unusual. Don't have time to read all posts, so can't keep abreast of everything, just enough to get a flavour or impression.

Stan, I'll be hanging onto preps at least until April/May. If there's no sign of problems by then, I'll donate most to a place that cares for homeless people.

Hawke, I'd be a pretty unusual sheeple with 6 mos preps. wouldn't I?

As for several comments re.my worrying about snide remarks - well, that was tongue in cheek to some extent. I'm really thick skinned.

I've found this forum always entertaining and often valuable. So thanks, and good luck to you all.

-- Asking (Asking@aquestion.com), November 25, 1999.

Asking--

NO, they are NOT right!!!

Even IF the US is totally compliant (which they're not), everyone should have preps for ANY disaster.

I have been preping for a year now, I am READY. I am now trying to just enjoy the holidays as they may be the last GOOD ones we have. I am also trying to think of ANYTHING I may have missed. Is there some prep that I didn't think of?

Am I wrong about y2k? If so, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. If the Pollies are wrong, CAN THEY LIVE WITH THAT???

Even if the world is compliant, don't we still have 200,000 computer viruses to worry about? Aren't there terrorist groups waiting to attack the US?

Will Russia allow y2k to cripple their country and open themselves up to attack by the US? There will NEVER be another chance for the US to be at a significant advantage over them as there will be between the time Russia hits the rollover and before it hits us. They know it and we know it.

Even if we believe all the PR out of Koskinen, we still have to worry about Chemicals, 911, healthcare, states, locals, water, SME's,etc.

No, they are NOT right.

There WILL be disasters. There WILL be loss of life.

When my family is in a resturant, I look around at all the families with kids. Are they prepared? I feel so sad for the kids. They rely on their parents to protect them. WHY DIDN'T THEY PREPARE??

Try to enjoy these last NORMAL days. GOD I hope I am WRONG, but I WILL NOT TAKE THE CHANCE.

-- bob brock (bb@myhouse.com), November 25, 1999.

King of Spam said:

"Nobody who honestly is preparing for Y2K will give a damn about what people are going to say if nothing happens. You saw a possible threat, you took out some insurance, the threat didn't materialize. Life goes on. End of story."

As usual, you're 100% wrong, and grossly oversimplify. (Do you do this on purpose, to demonstrate your ignorance clearly?)

Let's talk about people who have cashed in their life savings, 401-K's, gotten divorced from their spouses over Y2k, gotten abortions to keep from having "Y2k babies", sold their dream houses & quit their dream jobs to bug out to locations unknown, spent $thousands and $thousands that they could ill afford, to "PREPARE".

You think these people will have your "no big deal" attitude when things don't come down like you Doomers say they will?

I know how I'd react if I were one of those people. Somebody's head would be up on a stick in my front yard come 1-5-2000, were I one of those people. "No big deal", indeed.

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), November 25, 1999.

Failed expectations? Many pundits were predicting a mass exodus of techies in early/mid 1999. Never happened. Every day sees a flurry of "IT'S STARTING!" posts about food flying off the shelves, or the stock market plummetting. People have cried "wolf" so many times that I think we'll be staring at it's tonsils before we recognise it now.

Or maybe it's just ennui.

-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), November 25, 1999.

ChickenLittle

You're mostly talking about the extremests, and there are those at both ends. There are people that believe everything will continue to be so good, that they take out a second mortage on their house to invest in the stock market. And then they buy on margin too!!!

We have spent a lot this year preparing. We didn't take a vacation. I still have my job. I still live in the same house. I DID move my 401k money to the money market account. Yeah, i lost out on some gains, but it was a "risk-to reward" decision.

Chicken, you should know "don't put all your eggs in one basket"!

being prepared also means being prepared to be wrong.

ARE YOU prepared to be wrong?

you know it doesn't take much money to do SOMETHING. I hope it's not pride or stubborness keeping you from it

-- bob brock (bb@myhouse.com), November 25, 1999.

Chicken Little.....The kind of people that you spoke of are obviously a bit off-center. Y2K is just a convenient event for them to express their unbalanced nature. If not Y2K, then the next event. A person of normal intelligence doesn't do those things. Sounds like you're trying to blame people that are prepping for the others craziness. Sorry, I don't feel any guilt, just sorrow. Personal responsibility is what it's all about. Unfortunately, there are and will always be unbalanced people in this world. I help those that I can but I can't help them all.

-- (rickc@home.xcom), November 25, 1999.

Chicken, you said:

"Let's talk about people who have cashed in their life savings, 401-K's, gotten divorced from their spouses over Y2k, gotten abortions to keep from having 'Y2k babies', sold their dream houses & quit their dream jobs to bug out to locations unknown, spent $thousands and $thousands that they could ill afford, to 'PREPARE'."

I have heard these stories but I do not know anyone who did any of the above solely becasue of Y2K. No doubt some unfortunate individuals may have committed one or more of the above acts, but if they did there were probably serious underlying problems to begin with--Y2K was just a convenient hook on which to hang that particular piece of baggage.

If you can provide verified instances of a significant number of people doing what you say SOLELY BECAUSE OF Y2K, then I shall be happy to accept your assertion as fact. What is a "significant number?" I'll let you suggest an appropriate figure.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), November 25, 1999.

Asking,

The typical "doomer" has been browbeaten for months now. Dates and predictions have come and gone without major incident, resulting in increased apathy among the sheeple. The 9-9-99 non-failure was the icing on the non-preparation cake. "Doomers" quietly continue to prepare and pray nothing happens. No one in this camp want's things to fail. They simply recognize risk and act to minimize risk and impact to their loved ones. However, the end game is upon us, Christmas rules, and preparation is still a small dot on the radar screen of the populace. Things will be very interesting between Christmas and Jan 1. As GN said, "They won't prepare, but they will remember." [Prov 22:3] "A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished." It's time to shut up and lay low.

-- trafficjam (roadwork@ahead.now), November 25, 1999.

You'll see.

-- a (a@a.a), November 25, 1999.

y2kpro

going thru your Gary North link. GN was talking about the fractional reserve system, graduated income tax system and the welfare/welfare state system. It's like quoting the Bible but doing it out of context or not seeing in what respect the quote was used.

Your points are still only the fringes. There are far more good, caring people that are Doomers. At times they strike back when polies attack them, and vice versa. It's human nature.

many Doomers speek of preparing enough for others too. I am one of these, even though it will take away from my families preps. I know I will not be able to turn away my neighbors.

united we stand, devided we fall.

"can't we all get along together?" Rodney King

"what, me worry" Alfred E. Newman

-- bob brock (bb@myhouse.com), November 25, 1999.

Chicken Little please remove yourself - go fertilize the lawn!!

-- YdoBirdsSuddenlyAppear? (karlacalif@aol.com), November 25, 1999.

At least one northern hemisphere meltdown!

-- cpt nukem (beta,alpha@hotdust.com), November 25, 1999.

Okay. It's killing me. I've waited pretty long to ask, to see if somebody else would. But why is nobody pointing out this is Flint? I don't want to be outside of "grace" on Thanksgiving, but my gosh. Penetrating the obvious gives me little joy, but what am I missing? "I didn't get the [family] memo" as one poster quipped earlier today about another matter.

The memo, please, somebody.

-- (resignedNOmore@this.point), November 25, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Somebody's head would be up on a stick in my front yard come 1-5-2000, were I [to have spent a lot of money preparing and ended up not needing to have done so].

People are pointing out that there is a possibility of tremendous disruptions. Those who hear these messages are researching the matter and deciding for ourselves that there is, indeed, such a possibility. No matter what the actual outcome, it will always be true that there had been a possibility of bad outcomes. We do not require a certainty to act on our own behalf. We are also not pathologically fixated on being right as a value in and of itself. The thing you seem to have the most difficulty understanding is that we take personal responsibility for our decisions. We do not consider anyone here to be our leader. In any case, extreme preparation is a positive thing, no matter what the eventual outcome.

How are you going to feel on that same date if people who have a duty to look out for your interests (either because you pay them to govern or you pay them for an essential service or product) are discovered to have been knowingly concealing important information from you? These people have been been telling you that there is ZERO possibility of tremendous problems. They have gone so far as to make it socially difficult for you to protect yourself.

If Y2K is a big problem, will people like that have to face the wrath of head hunters like you?

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 26, 1999.

sorry, bad link... search on the string "Dancr" at the last link to find what I wrote about people who suggest that those who prepare are unstable and prone to violence. In my opinion, it is precisely those people who make that leap of logic, on the basis that it is how they themselves would behave, who are most to be feared. Those who believe that it is reasonable to become violent upon such little provocation could get mighty mean if they turn out to have needed provisions and have been snookered out of getting any.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 26, 1999.

We've done the necessary preps, we got the pantry full, we warned those with ears. Too late to warn anyone else, so the tone changes considerably. We'll be doing continuing work with the community here, there are several groups meeting, people have questions. But mostly we're just sitting, waiting for 847 hours to pass. Not too long.

-- bw (home@puget.sound), November 26, 1999.