I'm ambivalent about posting this, and had decided not to until Drudge posted his current headliner, to the effect that Hillary Clinton ordered the bombing of Kosovo. Q.v. Please read and disreagrd until the time comes ... or preferably doesn't. Sources suggest that a prominent American woman will die of suicide (or "suicide"?) on December 8, 1999; if this does happen draw the blinds: the nuke attack follows on December 9-10. I presume the ambiguity on the second date is because the missiles cross the international dateline enroute.

Not a troll. Delete if you want.

CODETALKER

-- listening (ear@tothe.ground), November 24, 1999

Answers

Two quick questions:

1. Just out of curiousity, in which direction are the first nukes headed?

2. Where can I get some blinds like yours?

-- (intrigued@dot.com), November 25, 1999.

What does her husband die from?

-- Inquiring minds (want@to.know), November 25, 1999.

Codetalker, The only codetalkers I'm familiar with are the Navajo who served in the Pacific during WWII. Are you a Navajo?

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), November 25, 1999.

Then I guess I'm hoping that she is still hanging around pissing me off on the 12th of December.

-- squid (Itsdark@down.here), November 25, 1999.

Just curious, do we shoot back? Are the shots at military, industrial or population targets? Who wins?

I can see it now the French take over the world, Croissants all around.

-- squid (Itsdark@down.here), November 25, 1999.

Sources...

What sources?

Nostradamus said that in July or August 1999...oh, never mind.

-- Uncle Bob (UNCLB0B@Tminus36&counting.down), November 25, 1999.

Bwaaaaahaaaaahaaaahaaahaaahaaahaa!

Hillary ordered the bombing of Kosovo??? ROTFLMAO!!!

That is hilarious! Gaaawwd, it's amazing the lengths that the enemies of the Clintons will go to in order to try to use the media to damage them. Geeee, this wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the fact that she just announced that she is definitely running for the New York Senate would it???

That dirty dog Drudge just loves starting this kind of trash! LOL!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 25, 1999.

CODETALKER: What words crossed, ran diagonal, up, down? How many times did they occur, in what combos? Any other codes match that criteria, and have passed?

-- Just curious (so@sue.me), November 25, 1999.

The one-eyed man barks at midnight

-- (TrollPatrol@shhhh.com), November 25, 1999.

Hawk:

The wicked witch of the west wing said, and I quote, "I INTEND" not I am or I will. No flame intended!!!!!!

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), November 25, 1999.

Oh yes, Hillary is soooo very, very wicked, I'm terrified!

As long as she INTENDS to run, they INTEND to ruin her.

I suppose you actually believe that SHE decided to bomb Kosovo?

LOL!

-- Hawk (flying@high.again), November 25, 1999.

"Sources suggest that a prominent American woman will die of suicide...".

Will that be a "regular" suicide or an Arkansas suicide, like say, tying ones hands and feet together behind ones back and then shooting oneself twice in the forehead with a shotgun?

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), November 25, 1999.

Well, if .gov was never interested in this board before, they are now.

Secret Service and/or FBI follow up ANY hint of a threat to the First or Second Family. (I'm Not implying that CODETALKER is making a threat.) This is not Big Brother. This has been SOP for 50 years.

After what the FBI pulled to get that phony Times Square video offline, I'll bet Phil Greenspun gets a call about tracing CODETALKER's post.

That's too bad, because while I doubt there is anything to this post, it attracts the wrong sort of attention to this forum, and further erodes the middle ground. And some poor Service or FBI guys get to work Thanksgiving .

Say, SysOps, codetalkers IP isn't one of c4i's by any chance, is it?

-- (intrigued@dot.com), November 25, 1999.

Could you list the 'sources' that say this? I am no doubting you belive this so there must be a good reason you do.

-- Carol (glear@usa.net), November 25, 1999.

I believe codetalker is referring to the Bible codes translations which predict a nuclear attack on the United States Dec 9-10, 1999.

This can be viewed at www.nationaleagle.org/, there is also a realplayer interview with the codebreaker.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 25, 1999.

most interesting...

I've come to the conclusion that North America is very vulnerable to attack by weapons of mass destruction, and that the next month or so is a once-in-a-lifetime window of opportunity for our enemies.

Like you say, we shall see.

Nick: I'm interested in your education on nuclear and general warfare, would you be willing to email me?

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), November 25, 1999.

Now I see where you guys get these ideas from... a couple of religious fruitcakes. Sheeesh, no wonder.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 25, 1999.

Hawk, I don't know what your problem is, but if you don't want to even consider the fact we may be about to be nuked, just don't read the threads. For your information I am not some "Religious Nut". I never even knew about these Bible code prophecies until yesterday when I followed a link from another thread to them. Yes I have attempted to triangulate my theories with Bible prophecy, and also with Edgar Casey, Nostradomous, Fatima, and any other semi credible prophet I could find. But then I guess you don't believe in prophesy any more than you believe in God, so it's really a waste of time to even respond to you idiotic comments. But just so you will know I have had dreams which came true, visions of the future if you will, so I KNOW that prophesy is possible. I also believe in God.

Kurt, I will drop you a line.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 25, 1999.

Nik,

Oh, I believe in God alright, just not the same one as you do. Yours is a man-made God, and Bible prophecies are man-made. They always need to give you something to fear in order to keep you under the control of their religions. There is only one true God and one true universal religion, and that is that God is man and man is God. God gave us the free will to experience both fear and love, but His hope was that we would figure out that fear is the opposite of love. The true God has no desire to "punish" mankind, and I think those who try to portray God as vindictive should think about what they are really doing. I was just trying to help you "see the light" Nik, because I like you and wanted you to know the real reason for these deluded predictions.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 25, 1999.

Hawk, I can respect that, and thanks for the civil answer. My head was in the same place as yours not so very long ago so I completely understand where you are coming from. I was raised in the Baptist church as my grandfather was a country minister here in Tx. Small congregation and not in the least progressive. At the age of around 18 I began to really THINK for myself, and could not superimpose the image of a caring loving God over the jealous violent vindictive god of the old testament. So I walked away, became an atheist for a number of years. Some bad things happened in my life, some good things too, but basically I was just wandering without any moral compass other than the golden rule which had been drilled into me as a child. Then a couple of incidents happened which made me stop and reassess my whole perception of reality. On two separate occaisons within about a year of each other I managed to get myself into situations where there was no hope of getting out alive. Both times by divine intervention, miracles, or whatever you choose to call it I walked away without a scratch. to me there can be no doubt but that God, a guardian angel, or SOMETHING intervened to save my idiot ass because I had not yet fullfilled whatever destiny was drawn up for me, or had not learned whatever it is I was sent here to learn. I'm trying to keep this as brief as possible so I'm not going into the details, but suffice it to say these incidents coupled with a pair of absolutely crystal clear prophetic dreams snapped me back and now I believe with unshakeable faith in God. I don't attend church, I don't go around harassing people with my beliefs or trying to talk them into changing theirs. I just quietly live my life in honor of the Lord and try to do as little damage as possible while so doing.

So when you read my post on nuclear war please realize that I am not a bible doomer. My beliefs on the danger of an attack are borne out of cold hard research into the situation, and not on my religious beliefs. And I haven't had any dreams of a nuclear attack, though I did have one had quite a few that were along the lines of the government trying desperately to find enough soldiers to defend the country.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 25, 1999.

Thanks for explaining that Nik, I can totally relate. I had more than my fill of the Catholic religion when I was younger, and learned a lot of good things from it, but I knew there was more beyond what they restricted me to. I think many religions are good models for value systems and good moral standards. But it is unfortunate that many religions lead us to believe that God is going to save us from ourselves, thus we often forfeit our own ability to shape our lives through our actions.

I did not mean to imply that you were a religious nut, but rather the men who were on that recording. IMO they are looking for some sign of a second coming or judgement day, but what they are finding is really only something that they created because they wanted to find it. I hope that someday mankind will be able to redirect all of this energy being wasted on conjuring up our destruction toward more positive and constructive actions. Maybe after the year 2000 has come and gone people will realize that is has no more significance to God than any other date on our man-made calendars. God does not exist only within books, but more importantly within US, and I'm happy for you Nik, that you have discovered that. Best wishes to you.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 25, 1999.

Nikoli, the third vision in this experience may interest you!

[ Awesome vision!]

The document relates that General Washington was visited by an angelic personage at Valley Forge in 1777. Washington's army was suffering severely. The Continental Congress was not sending supplies or money. Many troops did not even have shoes to wear of other proper clothing. Disease and sickness were rampant. Morale was at an all-time low. There was great agitation in the Colonies against continued effort to secure our freedom from England. Yet, General Washington was determined to see the struggle through.

Anthony Sherman is quoted as having said: ``You doubtless heard the story of Washington's going to the thicket to pray. Well, it is not only true, but he used often to pray in secret for aid and comfort from God, the interposition of whose Divine Providence brought us safely through the darkest days of tribulation.'' ``One day, I remember it well, when the chilly winds whistled through the leafless trees, though the sky was cloudless and the sun shown brightly, he remained in his quarters nearly all the afternoon alone. When he came out I noticed that his face was a shade paler than usual. There seemed to be something on his mind of more than ordinary importance. Returning just after dusk, he dispatched an orderly to the quarters of the officer I mention, who was presently in attendance. After a preliminary conversation of about a half hour, Washington, gazing upon his company with that strange look of dignity which he alone commanded, related the event that occurred that day.'' This is his account:

Valley Forge, Winter of 1777

``This afternoon, as I was sitting at this table engaged in preparing a dispatch, something seemed to disturb me. Looking up, I beheld standing opposite me a singularly beautiful female. So astonished was I, for I had given strict orders not to be disturbed, that it was some moments before I found language to inquire the cause of her presence. A second, a third and even a fourth time did I repeat my question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor except a slight raising of her eyes.''

``By this time I felt strange sensations spreading through me. I would have risen but the riveted gaze of the being before me rendered volition impossible. I assayed once more to address her, but my tongue had become useless, as though it had become paralyzed.''

``A new influence, mysterious, potent, irresistible, took possession of me. All I could do was to gaze steadily, vacantly at my unknown visitor. Gradually the surrounding atmosphere seemed as if it had become filled with sensations, and luminous. Everything about me seemed to ratify, the mysterious visitor herself becoming more rarefy and yet more distinct to my sight than before. I now began to feel as one dying, or rather to experience the sensations which I have sometimes imagined accompany dissolution. I did not think, I did not reason, I did not move: all were alike impossible. I was only conscious of gazing fixedly, vacantly at my companion.''

``Presently I heard a voice saying, `Son of the Republic, look and learn,' while at the same time my visitor extended her arm eastwardly. I now beheld a heavy white vapor at some distance rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon a strange scene. Before me lay spread out in one vast plain all the countries of the world - Europe, Asia, Africa and America. I saw rolling and tossing between Europe and America the billows of the Atlantic, and between Asia and America lay the Pacific.''

`` `Son of the Republic,' said the same mysterious voice as before, `look and learn.' At that moment I beheld a dark, shadowy being, like an angel, standing, or rather floating in mid air, between Europe and America. Dipping water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand, he sprinkled some upon America with his right hand, while with his left hand he cast some on Europe. Immediately a cloud raised from these countries, and joined in mid-ocean. For a while it remained stationary, and then moved slowly westward, until it enveloped America in its murky folds. Sharp flashes of lightning gleamed through it at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American people.''

``A second time the angel dipped water from the ocean, and sprinkled it out as before. The dark cloud was then drawn back to the ocean, in whose heaving billows it sank from view. A third time I heard the mysterious voice saying, `Son of the Republic, look and learn.' I cast my eyes upon America and beheld villages and towns and cities springing up one after another until the whole land from the Atlantic to the Pacific was dotted with them.''

``Again, I heard the mysterious voice say, `Son of the Republic, the end of the century cometh, look and learn.' At this the dark shadowy angel turned his face southward, and from Africa I saw an ill-omened spectre approach our land. It flitted slowly over every town and city of the latter. The inhabitants presently set themselves in battle array against each other. As I continued looking I saw a bright angel, on whose brow rested a crown of light, on which was traced the word `Union,' beating the American flag which he placed between the divided nation, and said, `Remember ye are brethren.' Instantly, the inhabitants, casting from them their weapons became friends once more, and united around the National Standard.''

``And again I heard the mysterious voice saying, `Son of the Republic, look and learn.' At this the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth, and blew three distinct blasts. And taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia and Africa. Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene: from each of these countries arose thick, black clouds that were soon joined into one. Throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men who, moving with the cloud, matched by land and sailed by sea to America. Our country was enveloped in this volume of cloud, and I saw these vast armies devastate the whole country and bum the villages, towns and cities that I beheld springing up. As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of swords, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I heard again the mysterious voice saying, `Son of the Republic, look and learn.' ''

``When the voice had ceased, the dark shadowy angel placed this trumpet once more to his mouth, and blew a long and fearful blast. ``Instantly a light as of a thousand suns shone down from above me, and pierced and broke into fragments the dark cloud which enveloped America. At the same moment the angel upon whose head still shone the word Union, and who bore our national flag in one hand and a sword in the other, descended from the heavens attended by legions of white spirits. These immediately joined the inhabitants of America, who I perceived were well nigh overcome, but who immediately taking courage again, closed up their broken ranks and renewed the battle.

``Again, amid the fearful noise of the conflict I heard the mysterious voice saying, `Son of the Republic, look and learn.' As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious!''

``Then once more I beheld the villages, towns and cities springing up where I had seen them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice: `While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the union last.' And taking from his brow the crown on which blazoned the work `Union,' he placed it upon the Standard while the people, kneeling down, said, 'Amen.' ''

``The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor who, in the same voice I had heard before, said, `Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, but in this greatest conflict the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and the Union.' With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown to me the birth, progress, and destiny of the United States.''

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), November 25, 1999.

Ashton and Leska. Thanks for that story. In the recent dreams I have had along that line the situation varied in each one. The first one had the government conscripting anyone who could stand up and hold a gun to fight against an oriental opponent. We were outfitting ourselves from sporting goods stores and shopping centers which were devoid of staff or customers. They were then hauling us to the front in the backs of pickups and farm trucks. Pretty grim.

The second one It started the same, I decided I was going to fight on my own and not get into their meat grinder so several of us were avoiding the roving patrols which were conscripting anyone they saw. One of the idiots with us had a change of heart and stood up as the patrol was passing and we had to shoot our way out of the situation as the penalty for evasion was death.

In the third one I was operating alone, working as a sniper trying to assasinate a rougue general running an outfit similar to the one on the postman. I went over my timeline after laying up in cover for several days trying to get a shot. Another sniper showed up and took a bad shot, got himself caught, and I had to shoot him and the general to keep him from revealing the location of our unit.

Dream # 4 is much later in timeline. Maybe two or three years. I have changed geographical locations and in what appears to be the Texas panhandle or southern New Mexico. I have only my ruger Blackhawk remaining as a funtional weapon and am ambushed by four Latino men. Mexican? Cuban? Other? I don't make it out of this one.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 26, 1999.

Ashton & Leska,

Where is the link to that story about George Washington? I vaguely remember hearing about his experience with an Angel.

;-D

*VBG*

Thanks,

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 26, 1999.

I'm not Navajo, Indian, or versed in native american lores or languages. It's just anorther handle, chosen for effect. hEY -- it's not bad either, right?

FBI? SHEESH! Now you've got me running scared:

There is no threat offered or intended to Hillary Clinton or any other person: the December 8 info was a component of a dream which a friend of mine had many months ago, and for all the dreamer or anyone else knows, it could refer to anyone "prominent" and "American" and a woman. Or IT COULD BE JUST ANOTEHR STUPID DREAM AND 100% INSUBSTANTIAL, vis-a-vis events to come. I hope that it is the latter. I mentioned it only because the last time this dreamer "saw" a date it proved accurate down to the stroke of midnight. I mentioned it here, only after reading Drudge: it was a spontaneous act of free-association of theme with theme: because the article brought word of this dream back to mind: because in the dream the prominent woman was "said" to die of suicide, and because a number of those in the Administration or around it have died sudden tragic deaths -- some of them reportedly suicides.

Whether or not the Drudge Report headliner for November 24 is grounded in fact is entirely (and fortunately) beyond my ability to ascertain: but it did bring to mind again the level of mental and emotional stress and anguish that must have been suffered by the First Lady over the last two years; and along with that the headliner brought this dream back to mind. that level of stress and isolation must beexcruciating. But the word "suicide" was placed in quotes to reference the commonly known fact that the death of at least one Adminstration official ( Vince Foster) has been attributed to foul play by some, although officially ruled a suicide. In the dream, however, there was no intimation that the death was anything but a true suicide. Hey -- it's just a stupid dream, awright? I hope that the dream is wrong. Probably it is. Again there is no threat made or insinuated against anyone, and no encouragement or innuendo suggested to anyone to commit an injury. I wish the First Family a HAPPY THANKSGIVING, and peaceful resolution of ANY personal difficulties.

CODETALKER SPOOKED NOW

-- listening (ear@tothe.ground), November 26, 1999.

Did anyone else see a strange commercial yesterday (Thanksgiving) that said it was a Voice from the Future, advised to learn to read and speak Chinese well???

Very odd. Had something on it about Y3K. My son said he saw another Y3K "commercial" that said Hawaii was nice if you like to ski.

Anybody know who is behind these little blurbs?

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), November 26, 1999.

Washingtons dream fits well with this: He mentioned the enemy as a "cloud". It is referring to Gog and Magog and "many people".

America and Canada are the only Nations of significance that fit the description of "a land of unwalled villages" wealthy etc. It's US! The timing is noted and can be discerned when many events begin to coincide. Predictions have been given as being WWI, WWII. I think it is WWIII. And I believe that all the WW's are a continuation of the same BATTLE. However the final battle seems to be directed mainly at the USA. We win! Or should I say...He wins!

And to the preachers of peace and tranquility...(Ezek 13:4-5 KJV) "O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD."

(Ezek 38:9 KJV) "Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee."

(Ezek 38:10 KJV) "Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:"

(Ezek 38:11 KJV) "And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,"

(Ezek 38:12 KJV) "To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land."

It is also interesting there is so much talk re: War! Must be something in the air?

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), November 27, 1999.

Recommended reading:

Link
-- panjandrum (panjandrum@samfoote.net), November 27, 1999.

Nikoli, thank you for sharing your visions. [ How can you sleep?!? ]

We're trying to maintain a steady even cheer in the face of mounting indications ...

Diane, the Link:

George Washington's Vision of America

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), November 27, 1999.

Mark...

.....Those things have already happened, they're taking their spoil right now. Be careful when you speak of prophesy.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), November 30, 1999.