I heard about so-called "mandatory" evacuations during hurricanes, but if I remember correctly some people stayed home anyway and could not be forced to leave. Is that true during Y2K, even if power and water are no good, they cannot force us to leave home and go to the shelters can they? I am confident I will be able to survive just fine without any help from gubmint.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 22, 1999

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I believe you're right Hawk, just don't fire a weapon into the air like the poor sap in the movie.

-- CygnusXI (noburnt@toast.net), November 22, 1999.

What shelters? There aren't shelters for 260-300 million people.

Hawk, you're dipping into the dependent personality syndrome, which is a belief that a big smothering daddy is out there who will take care of you, fuss over you, and the nation is a small world of 25 people.

What shelter? People in the Florida exodus were living on their own in their cars. There weren't any shelters. Just a few scattered shelters, immediately at full capacity, the state of Florida yelling at people, "If you don't have to go don't. There is no possible way shelters can be provided for so many!" And then a carefully picked one by the media to distort public image and perception. "260-300 million others do no exist, and this is you sitting as one of eight, in the nice classroom with cots and sheets."

The Federal government has said, until it is blue in the face I am sure, IT CANNOT HELP ANYONE AND IT WON'T because it will too over maxed just taking care of even more vital issues at stake in Y2K. The Feds it has said WILL NOT BE TRUCKING IN FOOD or anything such thing to communities.

The military has said, WE ONLY TAKE ORDERS FROM THE FEDS AND WILL NOT BEING HELPING LOCAL COMMUNITIES.

And the list of all these entities telling Americans in no uncertain terms no one is going to come to the rescue is too many to keep listing.

There will be a few little warming centers with strict capacity limits here and there, for a few days until the fuel runs out-if any volunteers are willing to show up, there will not be food or water there, and pretty much people are on their own to fend for themselves.

Remember the VA County that stocked piled canned goods for 450 for 6 days? Always when reading such ponder how many MILLIONS live in that county. Capacity is 450 not THOUSANDS or MILLIONS. That isn't *YOU* there smacking your lips on free tuna.

Mandatory evacuations do not provide you with a "shelter." That is only in some limited cases.

Rest easy. No Big Daddy out there is going to take care of you.

-- Paula (chowbabe@pacbell.net), November 22, 1999.

Hi Paula - Please re-review his posting, I think you'll find he's agreeing with your assumption(s).

There are two very different threats here: the hurricane threat is to life/home/shelter/comfort IF a person stays in the path of the storm. The degree of uncertainity is the path of the hurricane, the specific 150 feet path of destruction of any given tornado inside that hurricane, and the width/spread of the winds and rain. Flooding, power outages, etc are in one area, that CAN be "left" behind as people travel to more safe areas.

But at least known danger points can be avoided. So the administration has a point to evacuate from , and one to evacuate "to."

In y2k-induced troubles, while a beginning point can be assumed, it cannot be specified as to length, impact, or degree of impact (higher in some areas, lower in others.)

Thus, ahead of time, you CAN'T avoid the storm - you don't know where to go. You can't even judge where to avoid really - sure you can make guesses about certain places, but they (like all in y2k issues) are merely guesses.

The safest place in minimizing y2k-induced troubles - if you have prepared - is to stay at home and sit it out. Eacxtly the opposite of what is correct for hurricanes. Civil defense people knwo this - the question will be whether they are permitted to use this knowledge, or whether they will get overwritten by higher authority.

Consider cities, for example: to eliminate the chance for looting, a curfew or lockdown enforced by the police and Natinoal Guard is more effective, faster, cheaper, and less dangerous to the "enforcers" at preventing massive street crimes (rioting) as was done in the 60's rioting - than shipping people out away from the troubled zones.

Outside of the cities - where people are packed in closely - it's simply not effective to bundle people out of their houses.

HOWEVER - If only a few are targetted (ahead of time?) then moving just a few "trouble makers and terrorists" is practical.....that leaves the masses - as in Poland, Ukraine, and China, North & (later) South Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, East Germany, etc. leaderless and thus easier to manipulate.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), November 22, 1999.

HUH???

Paula, where the hell did this come from...

"Hawk, you're dipping into the dependent personality syndrome" ??

I just got finished saying how I can take care of myself and I don't want to go to a shelter, so why the hell would you say something like that?

I'll tell you how much I like government getting involved in my life... I would prefer complete and total ANARCHY!

As for the shelters, I was only questioning it because so many others have said they've seen them setting them up. Also, during the Montreal ice storm I think they used high school gymnasiums and large buildings of that nature.

Someone posted a thing saying to be prepared to leave for any reason the authorities might require us to leave. Now, I know that I will have to be dead before they take me away, but I was just wondering if anyone who was there during the hurricanes knows just how forceful they will be about wanting to make us leave. Just want to know what to expect, that's all.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 22, 1999.

---we just..plain...don't....have a backup-manual override-mission critical-we're on track CIVILIZATION. it doesn't exist. "they' can't do it. that's just one of the reasons that bigbro is putting such a smiley face spin on things. "They" couldn't take care of squat, if we get even a 5, let alone an 8 or a 10. I mean, really, they barelytake care of things now, with everything "working". Who would ever possibly believe that they could handle something like this?

of course, this is one reason why I think that "they" are planning to bump off millions of people. "federal authorities and the cdc report tonight that the 'killer flu' that has decimated metropolis was in fact a biological attack by the..."

during that hurricane down in the gulf when they packed people into the superdome, they CONFISCATED peoples food and water from them. Basically, if there's doods with guns at the door and they tell you to move, it'll be pucker factor 10 executive decision time then. You can either run blackout conditions and not answer the door and leave a note on it saying you are at aunt millies, OR you can go with them, OR you can shoot it out with them, OR you could be not there when they come because you've been monitoring the scanner, and sneek back later. That seems to be the choices. Legal, smeegle, laws go right out the window whenever there's a disaster, historical reality. the doods with the most juice and firepower call the shots, if they SEE you.

not a doomer cuz i plan for the worst zog

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 22, 1999.

>they cannot force us to leave home and go to the shelters can they? I am confident I will be able to survive just fine without any help from gubmint.

You said exactly what I had thought you said. I think you and another need to review what I just quoted. When someone says he doesn't want "help from the gubmint" and thinks one is going to be forced into care which you state is your belief, then it is pretty safe to assume the individual has dipped into the sheeple dependent thought process.

I asked where is that shelter? Where is that help being offered by the government? I then reminded you that the government has said it won't be helping, so how do you think you'd be refusing some offer?

Rather than become self defensive, I'd think it'd be a little needed water in the face, because that seed of sheeple dependent thought process may have infected your survival and contigency plans.

Sheeesh, excuse me for trying to point a potentially dangerous error spotted out.

-- Paula (chowbabe@pacbell.net), November 22, 1999.

P.S.

We all catch ourselves and other Y2Kers making little slips like that. It's hardly earth shattering. I am the one who had the big idea of calling the Sheriff on my cell phone, forgetting if I am having to use a cell phone so's probably is the Sheriff!

-- Paula (chowbabe@pacbell.net), November 22, 1999.

Paula... err, what? I don't read from Hawk's post that he thinks the government could ACTUALLY provide shelters or assistance, just that he was concerned that they might TRY to move him. Can you perhaps explain the part that's fuelling your reasoning? Thanks.

-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), November 23, 1999.