'Y2K - The Movie' and 'Terrorism in Times Square - The Video'

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Just watched NBC's Y2K movie, but that didn't make me half as nervous as this video:

Times Square Year 2000 Briefing

Click on this title on that page to download a disturbing 6-minute video clip which will then play back on your computer through RealVideo. For those who can't do this, there's a transcript on the same page. To get the full effect, you really need to view the video clip and listen to the narration.

I understand on good authority that this video is 'officially' being attributed to 'extremist right wingers' - but I'm not so sure.

View and listen for yourself - particularly the comments at the end of the clip - and make your own mind up. I'm sure, as always, that there'll be automatic 'naysayers', but anyone with any intelligent or contributive insights to add to this will find me an intrigued and concerned reader of them!

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 21, 1999


I am downloading it now, but it will take me over 25 minutes to do it. The only thing I miss about my ex job is the super fast net connection.

-- Carol (glear@usa.net), November 21, 1999.

It strikes me as transparently bogus. If nothing else, the cliche' singsong delivery was enough. I've seen better delivery in B movies. The stuff about "holding pens" (or whatever the term was) "here and here" in downtown Manhatten -- oh, please -- I grew up in that city, where are they going to put them, on the rooftops? We're talking relatively narrow NYC sidewalks, not some neo-suburban pedestrian promenade.

That said, I don't necessarily rule out the possibility of it indeed being handed out to the fruitier factions to stir them up. Only question would be by who, and only other question [g] being why.

Hey, John, long time no speak, how's life?

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), November 21, 1999.

Here's the transcript of that video clip, as shown on the source Web site, with the poster's original introduction to it.

I can't stress enough that viewing the video is a thousand times more impactful than just reading the transcript.

Why does it remind one of a 'rogue' SEAL or other Special Ops team, and working for WHO....?


Transcript Of The "Assault On Times Square" Video 

This video was possibly made as a training tool to show members of a squad of soldiers exactly where they will need to be during they're "mission" in Times Square 12/31/99. A video was made because showing up in Times Square with bunch of soldiers would raise to many questions.

The video was then distributed, on base, to the men who are to participate in the mission. It was consequently given to a brother of one of the soldiers, who then made a webpage [www.crowdedtheater.com] and released the video on the internet.

The webpage was found, presumably, by this person's brother or his superiors and taken down immediately - but not before I was able to download the video and put it back on the net for everyone to see and hear.

Here is the video transcribed word for word.

{in Times Square]


"OK, now you boys know that I'll personally land in a world of shit if anybody finds out I made this tape. But I just figured that since they decided we're not gonna do any on site manuvers, you guys could use a better look at where the deal's gonna go down.

Except for "Raven" none of you men are cozy with the area of operation. So I went ahead and I bought this camera. I'm thinking I'll give you an unauthorized "sit-rep" here. You could take it in the spirit that it's done - keep it eyes only and off the screen. This tape does not exsist.

[change of location]

This is where it all goes down. I'm gonna walk you throught it - take a look at the AO and give you a quick run down on the mission. OK? Let's look at it.

The containment pens and barricades run straight up and down from here, four pens per block, all your civilians lock up inside of them.

Alpha team, you're all here by 04:00 no later. This whole area is gonna be full up by then and you gotta be here before they close up the eight closest pens, north & south.

That's the structure that they dress up for the drop. Extra barricades all along this stretch here. Most of your civilian authorities are clustered right here.

"Cracker", you're over here. Lotta primin' the pump out along this way for a good quarter of a mile. Some of it, our people, lots of it's gonna be spontaneous event activity.

They're just startin' to hear about Austrailia by the time you get here. And by 18:00 they see the deal on Europe and Africa when it happens up there on the TV screens - so they'll be plenty spooked. Of course they're gonna calm down a little when the word comes down that Austrailia has the juice back on around 21:00.

By then, you're bunk buddies with your little pen pals. You just keep throwing out your story to any of the caucasians near by. Hit'em on that black thing harder if you you got yourself a sympathetic ear.

Today, we're gonna get some for ourselves - all that shit. Stir that shit up.

[change of location]

These ten blocks here, from 47th to 57th, that's Bravo team. Concentrate north and take anything you can when you hit the L-Z. Most of your "just plain folks" are gonna be way back here - a lotta outta towners. They got here late and they won't be too committed to our location.

It shouldn't be too hard to get 'em so they start pushing they're way outta here and headed that way after zero. I want 'em running for their lives at that point. Very important that the push be north, toward the park.

[change of location]

OK, so our girl is gonna go and do her thing right here. She's jumped, she's stripped and she's screamin' by 23:10.

"Poison", you're right there in the front row, so you can make the most of it. Then the story's gotta spread up towards the north so be loud and keep moving to the left. Go up over your barricade and head out along the periphery. Everyone's attention's gonna be initially focused up this way towards the TV screens up there. So you'll be walking right past they're line of sight. Just keep moving it along and disseminate the story up into this range. That should all be concluded by 23:30, by zero, your most of the way home.

[change of location]

"Raven", you're here at 40th by 16:00, There'll be "boucou" movement in and out of these pens here so you don't have to stay in one place. When you get here, you push your way up to where you're supposed to be or try and keep it in the general vicinity. Again, there'll be plenty of preconditioning already in place, so you don't have to do too much explaining. You just walk around and "amen" any of the young brothers that happen to be talking about, "Yo, our town tonite", alright?

Again some of them are gonna be our people. Just don't go gettin' yourself busted before "Ball Drops". Keep it cool and watch where your standing and who your standing next to. If I could get you outta here any earlier, I would. Just hold off until you 'em coming in hard, then you give 'em a little of that "ammadu?" shit. Adgitate it, then once it gets going, you can start workin' your way outta here.

[change of location]

There's gonna be a lotta hot lead flyin' every which way all around here - be a lotta scramblin'. But you're workin' the range from 40th to 37th. So don't worry if you get swept with the crowd either direction. Just watch you don't take a hit from either side. Of all the teams, you're the most vulnerable to police arrest. It's very important that you do what you gotta do as early as you can. Just don't expect any favors from anybody in the NYPD. There gonna be looking at you like one of the ring leaders if they do catch you.

I strongly suggest that if it starts gettin' too crazy in here, you consider heading over to 39th street and make tracks to the west. But just don't stay here too long, alright? You be back brother, we got people waiting on you.

[change of location]

OK, so that when it starts gettin' real heavy, zero. The lights go out and it's gonna be pretty fuckin' dramatic, especially if we got inclement weather or substantial cloud cover. I just want you guys to think on your feet, so if its dark, you go with the flow and ride it on out. The most important thing, make sure you got your withdrawal plan in your head - you "didi-mao" outta there as fast as you can.

I don't want anybody left on the island when the troops start movin' in. They're gonna sweep it clear at 03:00. Once they secure the perimeter - nothing and nobody is gonna get off this island.

[change of location]

"Hobo", you're the one that gets left behind - your ass is hanging out there in the breeze. I want 'em really mixing it up by 00:15, so you gotta make it happen if its not already on course. The stage with the dancers is a clean shot, right up there. You can use your discretion.

[change of location]

OK, so thats what it looks like. There's a lot of pressure from upstairs to get this thing done right. We gotta just get out there and do what we've been training to do.

If the situation is crazy enough, the civilian autorities are gonna have no other choice but to call in our boys to fix it. And like I said there'll be numerous operations goin' on all around here.

Concentrate on what you need to do, don't get held there trying to do to much. We just wanna get things started.

Alright? That's gonna do it from here."


-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 21, 1999.

Hi, Ron, ol' buddy! Life's wonderful! I'm looking forward to eating after Y2K - hope you are, too :)!

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 21, 1999.

GEEZ! I read the transcript. I did better agitprop briefings in '71. We did better street theater than what he wants, too. IF it's real (and I have some REAL problems swallowing that) it shows the level our forces have fallen to. Can't even plan to start a riot well.



-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), November 21, 1999.

OH yeah. Whoever was referencing the holding pens doesn't understand SERIOUS crowd control. You use baricades to channel the crowd to HOPEFULLY cut down on the lemming problem, by making the BIG crowd into lots of LITTLE crowds, where the 2 or 4 or 10 cops can do some PR and get to know 5 or 15 of the people in the area and can enlist their aid in stifling anything small.

ANyone else ever been in a crowd of half a million??

If you have never been in that size crowd you have no clue as to how you can be made to feel if things do not go exactly "right".


-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), November 21, 1999.

Chuck, that would be my reaction too if I just read the transcript. That's why I stressed the need to view the video clip. You're a bright guy - I've read your postings. I'd be surprised if your instincts and intuition didn't tell you that there is probably more to this than print adequately conveys when you watch the original. My own instincts have kept me safe and out of harms way for more years than I like to think, and I've learned to trust them. And the bells were going off inside, one after another, as i watched and listened to the video clip.

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 21, 1999.

The soldier doing the tape sounds like an actor. He was way to smooth in his talk just to be winging it. My inlaws live in NYC and I just don't see how any group can contain the crowd that will be there Dec. 31. Why film in the rain if his group has not even been to the scene to see it first hand?

-- Carol (glear@usa.net), November 21, 1999.

i have not one word to say ??? lots of questions , not a lot of info to go on ,

this is going to take a day to crack this one ,


-- mongo (mongo2@prodigy.net), November 21, 1999.

Just goes to show you, Carol - it was the realism and professional 'flow' in his comments, together with his quick asides on key topics, that first caught my attention. This guy is fast and incisive because he knows what he's talking about...

I'm at a loss to answe your objection to the weather, though, except to say 'That's New York for you - it always rains when you don't want it to' :)

And I KNOW that the video is being taken seriously by those whose day- job it is to watch such things [big clue here as to who THEY are :)]

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 21, 1999.


NO, the goal is to instigate. To initiate. To incite.

Then, once the stage is set for the true 'need' for martial law imposition, it's to mitigate, absconding the constitution all the while.

Thanks for the post. A shocking video, and if true, we may never know. -For the trail to its inception shall be burned.

But if real, nonetheless, the result shall be as intended. "Scoot yon peasant! ... Ah, I'll shoot anyway!" (sayeth the Clintoon servant)

-- it's wa (Ytoolate@usa.net), November 21, 1999.

OK I watched it:

1) If it were MY team, they would have a hell of a lot more than that rainy, grainy, video. I'd have them on sand tables and table tops, out in any city in the country, just walking around. Have them find some of the Leftish demonstrations that are happening ALL the time and have them work those over for disruption practice and MORE sand table work, and the video would have included the sand tables for reference in each scene change, even if they WERE suposed to be pro's.

2) I think that this will be a WONDERFUL item to provoke militias with, to see who knee-jerks. If I were both stupid and well connected (which I assure you I ain't) I'd consider having a couple hard core militia groups in the "AO" just to help stifle whatever they are trying to do, however they chose.

3) I still have a few problems as far as swallowing it as real but it DID raise the hackles. AH, let me rephrase that. I STILL have problems swallowing it as a real US MILITARY OP. I might swallow it as a militia op first but then again I don't hold a lot of faith in EITHER anymore.


-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), November 22, 1999.

I think it's a hoax. And that's coming from someone who believes most anything!

-- Gia (laureltree7@hotmail.com), November 22, 1999.

Thanks for you comments, Chuck. The interesting thing about this is that the *civilian* 'intelligence agencies' [you'll forgive the necessary euphemism :)] appear certain that it was produced by 'extreme right wingers' [this is confirmed fact, not speculation on my part].

You and I are both in agreement that this isn't a 'normal' military OPLAN briefing, nor does it qualify as 'normal' pre-op recce activity. But the guy narrating it appears to incidentally answer that - it's NOT a normal mission, and normal preparation which might draw undue attention is therefore not being permitted. All of this, of course, is ultimately speculation on both our parts, since we're given so little to go on.

I don't personally think that its being floated to excite the 'militia' into eager and active imitation. Any agency that could come up with a clunker like 'Project Megiddo' - wherein 'Christians' turn effortlessly from 'Bible study' to 'physical training' to 'terrorism' - would find something like this a little too subtle for them :)! And I can't stress enough that THEY already, and apparently genuinely, believe that 'right-wing extremists' put it out.

But leaving Clinton aside, for the moment [Clinton? - how'd he get into this exchange? :)], it does remind me of some very dark comments I heard a month or so ago about elements at the top of the U.S. military who were strongly concerned that Y2K wasn't being treated seriously enough and that the country might need a firmer hand to guide it through the coming crisis than the current administration was willing or able to provide. I didn't pay much attention to them at the time, but I'm remembering them now - especially in the light of the narrator's comment about the 'pressure from upstairs' [or 'the top', whichever] to 'get this thing done right'.

Clinton's the guy who'd stand to benefit, and might thus be anyone's first logical suspect. But I'm now beginning to wonder if there might not be others, in a direction as yet unsuspected. Or, worse still, both of them together...:(!

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 22, 1999.

Hi Folks,

it's bogus. The site they claim they got it from is "crowdedtheater.com"...thats as in "shouting fire in a crowded theater" get it? it's an attempt to see how many folks the makers of the video can get to panic. yet another bunch of (how does dilbert put that, oh yeah) "inDUHviduals" trying to play games with peoples minds.

only about 40 days left folks, if you're spending a lot of time on this board, you've either finished all of your preps or you really aren't serious about y2k.

Arlin H. Adams [out in the midwest putting gear together]

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams2@earthlink.net), November 22, 1999.

it's bogus.

Hey, Arlin. You forgot to attach your proof. Or did you think that this piece of - admittedly interesting - speculation on your part qualified as proof? 'The site they claim they got it from is "crowdedtheater.com"...thats as in "shouting fire in a crowded theater" get it?' Once again, folks - go watch and listen to the video clip for yourself.

Yep, almost finished prepping, thanks. Gonna resist the temptation to take a trip to Times Square to watch the Big Ball fall, though...:)

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 22, 1999.

Arlin, I owe you an apology!

Given the military's penchant for symbolic names, what could be a better one for an operation designed to incite panic and rioting than 'Operation Crowded Theatre'? Perhaps the unknown military 'hero' who first reportedly put this up on the Web was trying to tell us something thereby....?

Just a thought - and proof that no contribution goes to waste :).

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 22, 1999.

OK. I tossed this at Arlin becaquse he is VERY much better connected than I am. His e- to me indicated he had tracked it down last week sometime for another group and had checked it out then. I'm QUITE willing to accept his word on it given his history. (trail through the archives to get a feel for who Arlin is, if you are unfamiliar. AND, yes I HAVE met the dude.)


-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), November 22, 1999.

John -- yeah, I always look forward to eating. [g]

We've got chickens, ducks, geese, goats, and lots of feed for 'em, and an acre for a garden, and a stocked pond, and this area has a serious deer infestation, so I expect I'll still be trying to lose weight no matter what happens. [g]

Now, if we can get our propane tank installed in a week or two like we're assured, I'll quit worrying about keeping the lights on.

Unfortunately, my health has gone in the toilet, so I won't get to quit worrying completely.

If you ever come to Michigan, let me know, I am still trying to stock up on HP sauce (the Lea & Perrins version they sell here is overpriced and doesn't taste the same).

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), November 22, 1999.

Thanks to all for their contributions on this - and Ron, if I do ever find myself in the USSA again, I'll stop by with a case of HP Sauce for you. That stuff will make an Englishman out of you if you use too much of it, though...:). I suspect the version available in Canada is made by the same licencee as that available in the US - you probably have to go to Britain for the real thing.

Back to the video - this all reminds me of the confusion, assertions, denials, etc. which swirled around the existence of Operation Garden Plot a few years ago, until we finally managed to get hold of a reproducible copy and make it available.

Spooky, to say the least...

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 22, 1999.


I've seen the tape & read the transcript. BULL$#iT PURE & SIMPLE.

-- RJ (LtPita@aol.com), November 22, 1999.

SYSOP REQUEST - can I ask you to delete the otherwise helpful message at the end of this thread which gives administrative details for the owner of the original Web site on which this video briefly appeared.

Without being too specific, we don't want to see any good guys being accidently downed by 'friendly fire' and I'm 100% certain that the original poster would feel that way, if asked.

I realize that this is an unusual request, but I'd appreciate you honouring it - and I'm more than certain he would, too.

-- John Whitley (jwhitley@inforamp.net), November 22, 1999.

Had a neighbor, someone who produces programs (many) for PBS take a look at it. He wasn't looking at the message content as much as how it was put together, the overdubs, etc.

Too many inconsistencies, funny "stuff" going on with the sound, etc. Our guesstimate is some aspiring media student slapped this together.

Truely bogus

-- Don Kulha (dkulha@vom.com), November 22, 1999.

Hi Arlin.

If Arlin say's it's bogus, I'm prepared to accept his experienced assessment.

Knowing his background.


-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 23, 1999.

John -- nope, the Canadian HP is definitely several cuts above the US stuff, and from a different company as well. The US slop is bottled by Lea & Perrins, and comes in tiny bottles at astronomical prices. It's definitely NOT intended for addicts (like me) who douse their fried eggs with it every morning, put it on BBQ & grilled meat, and so on.

So far, I've been getting by, by cajoling every friend and relative who passes through Canada to bring me a few bottles, then trying to ration my consumption.

My paranoid conspiracy theory [g] is that Lea & Perrins hornswaggled the UK licensor into granting them an exclusive franchise for the US, and they're using it to prevent any competition from marketing HP in the US, so they can continue to foist their *own* sauces on us. So, a less-than-authentic tasting HP, in tiny bottles at high prices -- if my speculation is correct -- might fulfill the terms of their contract, while preventing an entire nation from embracing the best thick sauce on Earth.

BTW, I got hooked about 30 years ago while visiting Toronto (in the Merv & Merla Watson and H.A. Maxwell-Whyte heyday), and stayed with friends in Willowdale... er, make that the town a few miles North of Willowdale, name escapes me at the moment.

Anyway, my friend's family was from England -- his father brought them to Canada because he took a job with the federal gov't, and they brought HP (and cold-buttered toast with crust sliced off) with them. The tragedy is that I forsook trying the HP until shortly before my visit was up. I *did* stock up on it -- along with a huge box of non-export Red Rose tea -- before I returned.

And after typing that, I'm hungry!

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), November 23, 1999.

loose lips sinks ships

remember this phase when dealing with any current and/or former military/alphabet agency that enforce any "LAW" at any level federal/state/county/city...

be a cell of "one"

-- .x. (.x.@x.x.net), November 23, 1999.

Gee, "x", that would make you either an agent provocateur, or a domestic terrorist.

If the former, I suspect you'll come up empty, if the latter, I hope you get caught before you harm anyone.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), November 23, 1999.

No idea as to the validity of the claims at:


Someone posted a pointer to it on csy2k. It's a woowoo site, so I take it with a grain of salt.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), November 23, 1999.

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