Contrails need a temperature of at least -50 degrees centigrade to maintain formation. They can and do stretch out into a cloudlike sheets occassionally, given the right conditions of high humidity and lack of vertical 'mixing' of airflow/turbulence.

Although it may occur in rare instances, if you are seeing contrails that are rapidly dissipating at 30,000 feet you will not see contrails maintaining formation at a lower altitude at the same time. This would suggest the air is colder at lower altitudes, which is extremely uncommon.

So, what are you seeing when jets flying at 30,000 feet emit contrails that rapidly dissipate and lower flying jets leave long lasting 'clouds'?

It is highly unlikely they are normal contrails.

-- K Golden (kgolden@solar.stanford.edu), November 21, 1999

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Here last week in Central Arizona, the Chem Trail Clowns were spraying so low that TWO Commercial airline jets were observed ABOVE the Chem Trail operation...and NEITHER Commercial jet emitted a contrail!

No, these are very definitely a different operations entirely.

-- K. Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), November 21, 1999.

I do not watch the X-Files.

I do not believe in aliens.

Did not believe in the "Contrail-Chemtrail" stories at all.................until today.

Have seen wierd trails in the past few weeks over S. Illinois & W. Kentucky. Attributed that to aircraft running excercizes from Ft. Campbell. Nothing unusual, nothing to be concerned about.

No longer.

Today, over nothing but farm community and small towns, I see criss- crossing contrails at about 10-15,000 feet. They do not dissipate. They spread out like cirrus and descend.

The planes that are "spraying" these trails are some kind of medium- sized aircraft moving a a high-rate of speed. The aircraft are easily visible. There are four or five of them doing this simoultaneously.

I now have a haze of material on my windshield this evening that looks like fine misted tree sap. Sticky.

I am now hacking my head off, and am light-headed.

I don't know what this shit is they're spraying, but now I'm thouroughly pissed-off! Is this some kind of innoculation? Are they spraying for the infestation of Ladybugs we have?

Then I read this piece by zog, and have more questions than answers: - "--the first effects will be in some rural and some urban areas. I am thinking it will be a mixed proactive strike by "them". --the bio attack will be the worst, look for very unusual flu outbreaks, with a lot of internet warnings the week or 10 days before of unusually high amounts of "chemtrails" --this is my best assessment. as to which cities, the obvious big ones, I don't think NYC or washington dc will be hit first, I'm more expecting strikes on the "heartland". It's more unexpected, and people there don't perceive themselves as being so vulnerable. It will be designed to instill terror in populations not psychologically prepared for it as much. zog the warner"

The above gives me pause for alarm, after witnessing what I did today, and my body's reaction to it.

What the hell are THEY doing?

Are we being poisoned? if so, it'll sure make the farmland around here easier to take control of if us lab rats are dusted off!

I put nothing past this Administration, genocide as well as "suicides".

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), November 21, 1999.

Ed Dames (who has a lot of sources to info about secret govt. ops.) says that these contrails have something to do with security or defense, though he can not be too specific because it would destroy the value of the project. He says they are not intended to harm the public in any way, although it is possible that some of the ingredients could have side effects.

I am inclined to agree that they must be something along these lines, perhaps some kind of shield to certain types of transmissions. I am also convinced from my own observations that part of the substance used has cloud-seeding properties. In most cases I've noticed that the contrail isn't just spreading out, it is literally "growing" into a much larger and thicker cloud coverage.

We all know how the government feels about side effects... if they do not appear to be serious or harmful over a short time frame, then the objective of the project is considered to be of more importance than the health risks to the populace.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 21, 1999.

INVAR --

Thanks for the book you sent me earlier. Let me return the favor and recommend Olive Leaf Extract for nearly immediate relief of your "Chemtrial Cough". I have given this to friends -- who like you touched the stuff -- one friend came in contract with "sparyed"' gournd while changing a flat, and was hacking within 2-3 hours: no relief, but within 1 hour of olive leaf extract he was in great shape, and fully recovered in 24- 48 hours. There are a number of manufacturers/labs producing high quality olive leaf extract. I prefer East Park Research. www. eastparkresearch.com. Then raise the old finger in salute to the flyboys.

Would also recommend a dozen or two bottles to keep handy for furture use. The stuff is the closest thing to a panacea. Remember: Christ spent His Passsion among the olive leaves.

Regards.

-- Roch Steinbach (rochsteinbach@excite.com), November 21, 1999.

This link works -- the one above doesn't. http://www.eastpark.com/c ontent1.html

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), November 22, 1999.

Not that I buy into this chem-trail stuff, but the following possibility occurs to me. Note that this is only speculation!

Past experience in the gulf war and with Iran / Iraq showed the low effectiveness and poor control available through single point, bomb based chemical weapons. Unpredictable wind patterns and narrow coverage limited the casualty rate and provided too much advance warning to troops.

Chemical / biological warfare requires a method of deploying toxins in a covert manner over a wide area. If DOD is to develop delivery systems, these systems would likely be tested within the US using a mildly infectuous agent. The effectivness of the delivery (not the agent) would be monitored via hospital admissions, pharmaceutical sales, etc.

Although testing would occur during daylight under a variety of enviromental and terrain situations, actual attacks would likely be launched at night.

-- Just guessing (germ@warefare.com), November 22, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

...to develop delivery systems, these systems would likely be tested within the US using a mildly infectuous agent.

This seems like a reasonable hypothesis to me. It explains a lot of oddities related to this issue. I still don't understand why local air traffic control people deny seeing anything, though. It seems unlikely to me that these people could be convinced to participate in covering it up.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 23, 1999.

Dancr,

Possibly a certain area of airspace at a certain elevation could be reserved for their maneuvers, so that no other traffic would be able to get very close. I'm not certain, but I think when the military conduct activities they can turn off their transponders, and the FAA wouldn't really know what they were doing. And I believe most ground based radar are operated by the Air Force. If this is a highly classified project then with the exception of the pilots, very few know what they are actually doing, and the pilots would be sworn to secrecy.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 23, 1999.

INVARS, Thank you!

That was one of the most intelligent explanations I've heard yet for what THEY are doing to us:

By the way, that "infestation of ladybugs"; we're having it too; we have had an infestation of these carnivorous litle cuties every fall for the last few years. They are looking for a place to spend the winter before going back out in the garden to attack aphids and other pests. Please don't hurt them.

DAMN the CIA, the FBI, the NWO, the WTO, and Ann Landers for perpetrating this cruel plat against lady bugs.

ALK

-- Al K. Lloyd (all@ready.now), November 23, 1999.