Hi friends - or what few of you are left.

I don't get to come to the forum very much because of time constraints and when I do come, I try to hit on as much new and/or important info as possible. I only had about an hour tonight that I could "waste", and believe me, I wasted it here.

The manure is several feet deep. There are few posts having to do with y2k. There is no information (that I can sort out of the mire quickly) and no companionship/conversation with people of like minds - which I depend on.

I don't know what Sysops can do about it, or understand what has been done, or care. At 41 days, there are better things to do with my time. Judging by the absence of many usual names on here, others feel the same way.

In case you didn't notice, the trolls won.

-- Scat (sgcatique@webtv.net), November 20, 1999

Answers

Scat=troll!?

-- db (dciinc@aol.com), November 20, 1999.

No, Scat is definitely NOT a troll. Scat, see the preps forum for troll-free discourse.

-- Good to (see@you.again), November 20, 1999.

Sure looks like it.

-- (brett@miklos.org), November 20, 1999.

Won what?

-- it was (never@a.contest), November 20, 1999.

Hi Scat,

Consider this:

Your post isn't Y2K related either.

You just wasted my time.

-- Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), November 20, 1999.

You tell 'em Laura!

Do as your name says and SCAT!!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 20, 1999.

That's okay, Laura. You wasted a lot of mine in the last week or so.

Thanks, Good-to. See you on Preps.

-- Scat (sgcatique@webtv.net), November 20, 1999.

Attention all geniuses:

Common sense is Y2K compliant.

Trolls are not.

Any questions?

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), November 20, 1999.

Laura, I have a question and I can't find the thread I asked it on.

Do you know what Maricopa Electric district 8 is? Seems they are stonewalling about their Y2k status.

-- K. Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), November 20, 1999.

Scat,

A Hypothetical, if you will...

You and I are at a social event eating, drinking, having a real grand time of it. We hear someone saying "QUIET!!! QUIET!!! EVERYBODY BE QUIET!!! Look What's On TV!!! Everyone shuts up and we all focus on the big screen TV. We hear, "The Emergency Broadcast System under authority of the President of the United States is issuing a WARNING to ALL American Citizens to go home and remain calm. At this moment, we can confirm at least 10 groups of terrorists are in the United States. They have already destroyed electrical transmission lines and communications systems in California and New Jersey. The whole eastern seaboard is without power or communications. California has communications but all power is out. The National Guard, as well as Federal troops are being deployed at this moment. The local police are unable to ... "

At that moment our power goes out. Everyone is stunned. We all manage to find our way outside to our cars. The streets are beginning to buzz with activity. People driving around screaming outside their cars, "We're being bombed!!!" It's quickly becoming a madhouse. At that moment, we see a bright flash of light in the distance, then ...a thundering BOOM that rattles windows. We quickly leave for home.

When I arrive, I light a propane lantern and turn on my short-wave radio. I grab a bottle of water and chug it down quickly. Immediately, I begin hearing about what's happening across the United States and the world. This isn't just an "American" problem. England, France and Canada are being bombed as well. I remember all the preparations I have stored away. I feel secure, for the moment.

On your way home, you decide to stop at the store because you don't have anything to cook. (You usually eat out unless it's "Tuesday Pizza Delivery Night" so there's not much in the cabinets or fridge.) You drive by three stores, choosing not to stop due to all the people trying to enter the parking lot. It's a madhouse. You decide against the food. After all, you don't have any cash and the power is out so your plastic won't work. Oh well...you need to lose a few pounds anyway, right?

You get home and quickly light a candle or two. You change clothes. You use the bathroom but when you try to flush, nothing. It's STILL THERE!!! FLOATING!!! "OHMYGAWD" you say to yourself. "NO WATER! DAMN that STINKS!!!"

Now you get mad. "NO DAMN WATER AND NO DAMN FOOD! What am I supposed to do now???" No one answers you. No one gives a damn about you.

Need I go on? You're about to embark upon the worst nightmare reality has ever dealt you. As for me, I have a plan that covers all the essentials. Got food? Got water? Got milk? Got a working toilet? Got a short-wave radio? Got lights? hehe, I do.

So, what were you saying about "Trolls Won? (Muttering under my breath..."stupid polly jerk.")

-- GoldReal (GoldReal@aol.com), November 20, 1999.

Good evening, Hawk.

K. Stevens,

I'm not familiar with the individual districts, but I can find out. If you would like, I'll see what I can find out this week - but I'm sure they are no different than any other district...they have to stonewall.

If you live in Paradise Valley or Ahwatukee, you should be more worried about the sewer system.

Scat,

I deserved that. However, I was merely trying to show you that you were doing what you accuse others of.

My sincere apologies.

-- Laura (Ladylight46@aol.com), November 20, 1999.

Scat,

Perhaps you missed Laura's thread OIL & MILLENINIUM GROUP MEETING?

As the Oil Meeting thread shows, your characterization of Laura is unfair. I don't know you Scat, but I have seen your website and appreciated its value. It's disconcerting to see you return here today only to start a thread to knock the forum. As someone else already said, this was never a "contest". In case you didn't notice, the sysops and forum regulars (those who are here still trying to post relevant information) have been the target of an all-out troll assault for the past 48 hours. I'm sure tempers are frayed and folks are tired. Why kick them?

-- (RUOK@yesiam.com), November 20, 1999.

Hi Scat. Ignore some of these new people as they have not been around long enough to remember you. Hope all is well and you are ready.

-- Mike Lang (webflier@erols.com), November 20, 1999.

Wow, Goldbug. That was a frightening description. It was pretty close to the kinds of nightmares I've been having lately. Aren't we supposed to wake up FROM nightmares - not INTO nightmares?

RUOK,

Thanks for the support. That was very kind, I appreciate it. Although, not everyone is going to find my work last week important. As my friend ronbanks told me, our information and a dollar can get us a cup of coffee at Circle K.

-- Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), November 20, 1999.

As long as this one little thread is already here, I guess I can use it without getting slapped?

Laura, accepted. Didn't mean to be argumentative. Just tired.

The trolls "win" IMO, when they divert our focus. No, it isn't a contest. Or a game. I'm working 7 days this week to get extra money for remaining preps and house security. Was gone all of 2 weekends ago in another state, getting one of my sons and his children prepped. I need to keep my focus. If that isn't acceptable, tough.

And that's what I was talking about, GoldReal. Not Polly-ism. Serious prepping for a 10, okay? I have better sense than to be at your "social event" in the first place. Story wasted.

Ruok, I don't see how you could interpret anything I've said as knocking the forum or kicking anybody. But I don't know you either. In fact, I don't know many who are here any more.

Hawk, I've admired and agreed with a lot of your posts, from back when you were a.a@a or whatever. Well, you're a sweetheart, aren't you?

Okay folks, I've been told to

-- Scat (sgcatique@webtv.net), November 20, 1999.

Thanks, Mike. Hope you are too.

-- Scat (sgcatique@webtv.net), November 20, 1999.

Dear Scat,

Please don't go. I think we are all tired. I know I'm exhaused. I think we are taking our exhaustion and fear out on each other. I am so very sorry I confronted you. Please, please forgive me. Stay with us and help us through - to the bitter end.

-- Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), November 20, 1999.

Scat and various relative newbies,

Whoa! Let's not start a whole new fight called "Newbies versus returning Old Timers", shall we? Even more people screaming at each other is certainly NOT going to improve the situation.

-- Bokonon (bok0non@my-Deja.com), November 20, 1999.

Y2k fatigue- when your mind tells you it is too late to make much difference, but your heart says keep on being part of the solution. OK folks, take five, smoke 'em if you got 'em. Don't forget to change your socks.Cheers, AGF

-- drac (greenspanisgod@frb.giov), November 21, 1999.

Drac: I needed that advice. Just today, I purchased a pressure cooker (can't believe I put that off for so long--also used it for the first time today), a tent, a multi-tool (something else I am ashamed to have put off till now), more camp fuel, more lighter fluid, ear plugs, the last of my huge in house first aid kit (more like a hospital in a box), more waterproof matches, fanny packs for me and the hubby, our backpacks, some BDU's from the Army/Navy store (a lot of this stuff is bug-out stuff, if necessary) another portable water filter, ordered some more Century Pure from watertanks.com (no I don't work for them!), took inventory on several non-food items in the house, and ordered a few Christmas gifts on line for the few select family members that I am buying for this year (anything past parents and siblings are out this year, sorry!). And here it is past midnight and I am still trying to get news on any unfolding events. I am on constant stress mode now, while at the same time trying to savor every moment of life and pray and meditate more! Not possible!!! AAAAAAAACKKKK!!!! Add to that the stress of living this "double life" (most people who know me have no clue that I am preparing) and I am about ready for some medications, a big daquiri, or both. But I don't really like to use such things. So I drank too much coffee today and have the jitters. I feel like I will break down crying at times.

Right now I wish I were a smoker. Nah, maybe not, more stress over quitting.

Deeeeeeeep breath. I need to go to bed. If I can sleep.

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), November 21, 1999.

Scat,

Don't remember you. Been here a few months.

>>I only had about an hour tonight that I could "waste", and believe me, I wasted it here. <<

(Shrug) Maybe you're correct. I wasted a perfectly good hypothetical on you.

-- GoldReal (GoldReal@aol.com), November 21, 1999.

Analogy: You live next door to a relative in his mid-fifties. You see him every day. A friend, who's been living abroad for ten years, finally gets home and visits you and the older relative. After the relative leaves, she says, "Wow! Your uncle Fred's getting old!" You're shocked, even angry, he looks the same as he always has. Your friend pulls out a 10-year old photo of you and Uncle Fred. You see a big difference and realize that the changes in Uncle Fred have been gradual and you haven't noticed them. Your friend sees a person who's immediately added ten years. It's kinda like that. The character of the forum has changed quite a bit in the last several months.

-- Uncle Fred (looks@like.hell), November 21, 1999.

Hi Scat, good to see you again! :-)

-- Lilly (homesteader145@yahoo.com), November 21, 1999.

Nah Uncle Fred - we're just in purgatory.

-- flora (***@__._), November 21, 1999.