Do the new rules count for those who question the meme?

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Just a simple question...

Curious Regards,
Andy Ray



-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), November 19, 1999

Answers

yes.

-- Sam (Gunmkr52@aol.com), November 19, 1999.

What new rules? What meme? I didn't see any meme!

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), November 19, 1999.

Sorry, but as an infrequent visitor/contributor may I ask, "what is a meme?"

And I really believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion and has the freedom to say their opinion. I have noticed however, a diminishing of good manners on this forum. I seek information from the knowledge/opinion of others. I would certainly prefer that we all spend some time editing our answers/questions to the forum to enable a free sharing of data without personal squabbling.

wally wallman

-- wally wallman (wally_yllaw@hotmail.com), November 19, 1999.


Ignore and delete please.

He is just baiting.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), November 19, 1999.


Which meme do you refer to?

An interesting recent crosspost had an influential debunky claiming that a regular poster was infected with 'an either or meme', is that the one you're so concerned with?

What prophylactic precautions so you take to protect yourself from accidental contaigion?

Here's a page with some interesting papers regarding this kinda thing, much more thought provoking than this green crayon nonsense.

http://shaman.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/Memetics/

-- flora (***@__._), November 19, 1999.



What AR and such don't full appreciate is that virtually EVERTHING is a meme: pollies, doomers, trolls, are ALL working in meme-space. In fact, most of what we take as our individual personal identity (ego) is nothing but a bunch of co-adapted stable meme-sets. So, back off jack! Cf. Susan Blackmore's work on this topic.

Amused, condescending, yet patronizingly appreciative smile from your -

cv

-- Count Vronsky (vronsky@anna.lit), November 19, 1999.


These are a few of my favorite memes (ideas which are widely believed in spite of evidence to the contrary, or in the absence of evidence to support them):

Y2K is a hoax.

Y2K is all hype.

Y2K can be fixed in the time remaining.

We are okay but the problem is with OTHER countries.

The problem is not with broken code and embedded chips, it is the "overreaction" of people who fear Y2K disruptions.

Your money is safe in the bank. [assumed corrollary - your money is IN the bank in the first place].

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), November 19, 1999.


I, for one, would be more than willing to see the sysops perform a global edit on the entire database and change all occurrances of the word "meme" to "fafner." (Gawd, I'm SICK of "memes"!!!!!)

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), November 19, 1999.

Personally, I can only speak for wet memes, which I have frequently. I never question them, I just enjoy them. Though I do hate the mess that they make....

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 19, 1999.

LOL, Laura, those are nice. However, I would respectfully disagree with your defintion. The questions of belief and evidence are quite distinct from the concept of meme, at least in the journals and papers written be academice researchers in this field. Even Dawkins himself gave both religion (which he regarded as insufficiently grounded in empirical evidence) and Darwinian evolutionary theory (which he regarded as scientifically supported by evidence) as examples of 'memes'.

Maybe in general discouse 'meme' is moving to become synonymous with 'myth', which itself had already moved into the semantic space of 'falsehood'.

In the deeper formulations of 'meme', it memes all the way down, including all of language, and even each of our personal identities.

-- Count Vronsky (vronsky@anna.lit), November 19, 1999.



ROTFL and PMP!!!

-- snooze button (alarmclock_2000@yahoo.com), November 19, 1999.

Sorry, I meant Linda, not Laura.

-- Count Vronsky (vronsky@anna.lit), November 19, 1999.

Count, You are looking at meme from a zen/enlightened perspective and of course you're right.

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), November 19, 1999.

My Meme is at home in her house in Dallas. SHe was born in 1926, and I love her very much.

Now, Andy Ray, read the following VERY carefully:

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), November 19, 1999.


My Meme is at home in her house in Dallas. SHe was born in 1926, and I love her very much.

Now, Andy Ray, read the following VERY carefully:

THE INTERNET IS NOT "AMERICAN". IT BELONGS TO NO ONE. IT BELONGS TO NO COUNTRY, NATION, OR GROUP. IT IS LOCATED NOWHERE AND EVERYWHERE. IT IS THE LARGEST EXPERIMENT IN ANARCHY IN HUMAN HISTORY.

Mull it over, And.

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), November 19, 1999.



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