Though I make no claims to faith in this forum, I do read what some people of faith have to say regarding Y2K. There is an interesting article from the Christian perspective at Christian Computing Magazine about Y2K and the christian faith.

Patient Regards,
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), November 17, 1999

Answers

Sorry, Andy Ray.

Not representative of Christianity as a whole, just one little segment. Gordon McDonald and Chuck Missler on audiocentral.com has another Protestant perspective, much more well-supported by data than our friend at CCM.

Anyone interested in a newletter emailing from Bud McFarlane at CatholiCity (including Marcus Grodi, Scott Hahn, and others) please email me privately and I will send it along to you. Whole other perspective than CCM.

Anita Evangelista

-- Anita Evangelista (ale@townsqr.com), November 17, 1999.

why am I not surprised? and I thought there might be hope for you. all i had to do was look at the name on the article and could tell that what you are really doing is planting your usual seeds of polly discord. christian or no christian--we don't all see eye to eye-- gee, i bet you already knew that. and the problem is--that steve hewitt has taken a fairly negative and critical attitude regarding those of us who are preparing on many occasions.

christ tells US (not you I guess) as believers that we are to multiply the "talents" (and i don't mean singing and dancing) he gives to us in this life. i believe that is part of what we are going to be judged on--what did we do with what we knew about Y2K??? did we help other people or did we ultimately hurt them by our behavior and words. i guess we shall see.

you are just a wolf in sheep's clothing today. or is that everyday?

-- tt (cuddluppy@yahoo.com), November 17, 1999.

If Y2k causes seroius problems, I believe it will be a test of faith. Though scripture does teach to be prudent. I really don't know what the (near) future will bring, but hopefully I will be physically, mentally and spiritully ready whether it is good or bad.

-- Ice (Icemanltd@webtv.net), November 17, 1999.

One of the best threads I've seen about Christians and preparing is this one:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000jFe

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), November 17, 1999.

How could Steve Hewitt be a reliable source? I mean, isn't he just trying to sell magazine articles?

-- John Ainsworth (ainsje00@wfu.edu), November 17, 1999.

Oh, so Andy Ray is being patient with us now. How absolutely gracious of you, Andy Ray. (You, who are so big, given your font, and wise, given your...well, supercilious attidue.)

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), November 17, 1999.

attitude...forgive me, oh better speller

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), November 17, 1999.

Liked the link linkmeister

-- sandy (rstyree@overland.net), November 17, 1999.

Seems to me that most Christian churches don't want to touch y2k. I have heard of no churches in my metro area saying anything. This year I have attended two churches. First, a mainstream United Methodist church--nothing. Then I switched to a huge, "contemporary" church--teriffic music, skits on the alter, moving Gospel based "messages" given by a dynamic young pastor in shirt sleeves. Y2k? Again, nothing. If Andy Ray thinks that the majority of Christians are vigorous preppers, he is way off base. Alas.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), November 17, 1999.

Not to digress, but anybody who even remotely thinks that if they attend a church, or listen to what any of these profits, oops, prophets, pastors and teachers have to say is nuts.

Stand back and look at all the brainwashing that goes on in the church world today, it's rather startling and sickening, especially if you have just waken up to this truth. I'm not against church, or the bible by any means, it's the only hope mankind ever did have - but what passes for truth today in the church, whether y2k or any other issue, including that most important issue, salvation, is a total sham.

DON'T expect a church, preacher, pastor, teacher, evangelist or profit to tell you the truth about anything - they live with rose colored glasses in their view of God, the world and society at large and understand next to nothing about the truth. Y2K, as important as it remains to our future, pales in comparism to other more serious truths that are being grossly overlooked by the "church" and it's ilk.

Serious students of truth (Y2K and otherwise), have wised up long ago and have spent time and effort finding out what really makes the world go around and what is really going on. Paid experts (read pastors) are nothing more then hirelings and haven't got a clue. As Christ aptly reminded us all, we must seek and search out the truth (in all things), else we would be DECEIVED. If you haven't yet developed a heart and a love for the truth (all the truth, no matter where it leads you), you will be deceived. God Himself has promised that he would send a spirit of deception upon all those who do not recieve a love for the truth. Y2K is currently a big part of that "truth". After Y2K will come other events. The point is, search out the truth will all your heart, mind and soul and only then will you find it. Don't expect a hireling of any sort to understand any of this. True seekers of truth don't get paid, and that is a scriptural principle often overlooked.

-- Not a Hireling (reveleations15@hotmail.com), November 17, 1999.

You ain't nothin' but a houng dog,
A cryin all the time.
You ain't nothin' but a houng dog,
A cryin all the time.
Well, you ain't never caught a rabbit,
And you ain't no friend of mine.

Well, they said you were high class,
Uh, that was just a line.
They said you were high class,
Uh, that was just a line.
Well, you ain't never caught a rabbit,
And you ain't no friend of mine.

(Repeat first verse)

-- songmeister (singin@the.rain), November 17, 1999.

You might also want to check out the 700 Club site.

Many of us have searched the scriptures and prayed mightily...and are preparing. We hope to be in a position to help the needy.

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), November 17, 1999.

Not a Hireling...

.....I couldn't have said it better myself! Look for truth in today's apostate church? Ha! You may as well hang a red light on all of them. These "pastors" were never called of God, they were called of themselves, or their fathers or whatever. They go to seminary and learn to believe the lie.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), November 17, 1999.

I am a pastor in Miami, and we have made our goal to get 100% of our people prepared. I am personally prepared for 3 to 6 months. I have tried to be diplomatic but many of my pastor friends have written me off as a "doomer and alarmist," despite the fact that I believe it will be a 6 or 7. I am working with the County to help recruit, train and activate neighorhood CERT teams to provide community organization and leadership. Not all pastors are gutless and not all churches are avoiding this issue. I have taken a stand to encourage preparation. I would rather encourage people to prepare and be wrong than encourage people not to prepare and be wrong.

-- JoseMiami (caris@prodigy.net), November 17, 1999.

Patick, as usual you shoot yourself in the foot. What a first class ass!

-- Iam (sickof@pompous.fools), November 17, 1999.

.....You can think what you want, but until you study Scripture AND the languages it was brought forth in, then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Follow me around if you must, and post your little anonymous trot, (a real man/woman would be able to say what you said of their own accord, what's the matter; are you afraid the .gov boogeyman is going to come and get you?)

.....But if a person wants to learn of the living God, he won't be looking in the so-called "church" that's in the land today. God is nowhere near them.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), November 17, 1999.

patrick,the truth should be the truth reguardless of the language.As a Buddhist that's about all I feel I should chime in deist matters.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), November 18, 1999.

Zoobie...

.....You are correct, truth is truth, and there is only one. I happen to be of the mind that all truth comes from God's living letter to us. I also believe that the church is already in the state of apostacy that was long ago prophesied. People will always attack when you refer to their house of worship as being in "spiritual whoredom" so to speak, but that's what Scripture says. They don't bother me.

.....I thought of an article on Dharma when I read one of your earlier posts, (don't remember which post), but the article can be found at freeamerican.com under the featured articles section. Scroll down to the third article entitled Worlwide Vassel Revolt Against the International Trade Cartel by Richard Kelly Hoskins. I think this would interest you.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), November 18, 1999.