contrails as I type this in western Colorado

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9:50 a.m. -- a calm, clear morning in Grand Junction Colorado... thought our little city of 100,000 was too small to be "targeted" but for the last half hour at least 3 high flying jets have been making criss-cross patterns across the sky. As usually reported, the contrails are not disappearing quickly, but rather, are spreading out slowly and filling the sky. There are currently 23 or more long "X's" running east to west. Frustrating to have no camera or binoculars at work... No one in the office has ever seen so many contrails at one time. We are not in the flight path of major cities other than Salt Lake City and Denver--which are north and east of us. Of course, the question comes to mind: do I go out and get some "vaccine" or hide indoors as long as possible... spooky!

-- zowie (zowie@duckand.cover), November 16, 1999

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Hold your breath, no, first get your camera, then hold your breath, take pictures nOW! Then later. By mid-day the whole sky will be overcast. Then get in car and drive about 300 miles - then exhale. Breathe. Stay in hotel, then drive back in two days.

-- dw (y2k@outhere.com), November 16, 1999.

We keep cheapie disposable cameras in the glove compartment of each car. Useful if one is ever in a minor accident, or sees a UFO, or some such occurrance.

Most stores sell them for a few bucks. Nice to know it's there if we ever need one.

BTW, When I talk to "real people" (off the net) about chemtrails, NOT a SINGLE SOUL knows what I'm talking about. Everyone I talk to thinks those things in the sky are just plain old, garden-variety jet trails. They also think I'm losing it just a bit.

-- also worried (about@why.tookay), November 16, 1999.


---kinda grabs ya the first time you realize you're looking at something really strange, doesn't it? makes some of the more conspiratorial talk seem a tad more believable, doesn't it? Now, wait until someone you know or yourself gets sick with an upper respiratory condition that A-the docs can't tell you what it is 2-it lasts for weeks and weeks 3-there's no treatment for it. 4-it leaves permanent lasting symptoms like numbness, shortness of breath, weakness, dizziness, painful joints.... It's real bad when it's children who the day before-no chemtrails-were fine................

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 16, 1999.

Pass the shrooms please.

-- Did (u@c.that), November 16, 1999.

I have seen the same here too, also got sick. I was listening to local raido show last night, Larry Harris was speaking about the chemtrails. He is a microbiologist that I believe used to work for the govenment. He has studied and tested the stuff being sprayed. I can't remember all the stuff they found, but he said they have found large amount of ethylene dibrommide (not sure of spelling, bacteria and fungus. He stated that the ethylene dibromide is a SERIOUS carcinogyn, that can cause cancer (obviously) and STERILITY. He stated that the reasoning for the spraying was to eliminate the eldrly, sick, and young, and was also an attempt to cause a reduction in population. The fact that we, the earth, is almost out of Potash. Potash is used by the agribusiness to force crops out of our depleted soil. When we do run out the ability to produce enough food to feed the 6 billion people will not be possible, ie famine. US has no reserves of potash ,China has about 3-5 years more,and the only remaining sources are Canada and the Red Sea.This info was new to me and I msut admit hard to believe. But I do know they are spraying here and it has made me very ill.There are demonstrations planned for Seattle, Aspen, and New York on the 20th to protest the spraying. For more info on the chemtrails go to www.islandnet.com/~wilco/investsky.htm Something is happening here and it doen't look good. me

-- me (me@santacruz.com), November 16, 1999.


I frequently see contrails here in North Texas. I don't claim to know what's going on, but I know this. Normally, contrails don't last for HOURS. They don't normally spread out and look like clouds after a few hours. Contrails are normally seen at HIGH altitude (20000+ ft) not 2000 to 10000 feet. Commercial jets do leave contrails. Commercial jets do not criss cross back and forth over a town of 30,000 people at or below storm cloud height all morning long, then disappear by noon. Commercial jets run on schedules (24 and 7). They fly in single file about 5 miles apart down established "flight corridors". If what I'm seeing is normal comercial jet activity, then why is the sky full of contrails one day, then clear as a bell the next? (not a single contrail today) What the h--- are they doing, are they lost? Seems like an incredibly expensive way to play tic-tac-toe.

I don't know what this is, but I know that 2+2 does NOT =5

-- Stiff Neck (Looking@sky.com), November 16, 1999.


---anecdotal, for what it's worth department...had an email last year, dood was standing outside his house, cellphone in hand, staring up at the sky, got the local airport tower guy on the phone, asks him what the HECK was going on with all these weird chem(con)trails, back and forth and back and forth over his area right then. the tower told him there were NO planes visible on their scope! --just goes to show that the "dark forces" can get to anyone. ---if it's for our collective good, TELL US! If it's bad, then I hope the guys who are doing it breathe a lot of their own chemtrails... zog oh, ya, p.s. I spent two entire nights(all night) last winter surfing all the faa/air traffic control sites(beaucoup, there's rings)-- absolutely zip on any of their bulletin boards about chemtrails, a big zero. I did find some strange "laws" off of some official faa site that lead me to believe that "lying is cool and encouraged, or else"- national security b.s. I guess....-sorry, no links anymore for that stuff. I almost was gonna post some questions, but I didn't, had too much to do at the time. I've seen em, they are real, and some of the trails make people sick. this is true facts. bytes it, bigtime.

"watch out where the big planes go, don't you eat no yellow rain snow" zog

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 16, 1999.


Dear Me from Santa Cruz. I'm not sure what you are inferring, but I will deduce that due to a critical shortage of potash, we are being culled by chemtrails. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Let me assure you, we are far from starvation due to lack of choices for remineralization of the soils.

Anyone who practices organic growing techniques is automatically preserving the soil integrity. Rotation, fallowing, and some long known but ignored truths will keep us up and growing til the next millineum. Powdered granite is probably THE most powerful soil remineralizers there is.

Why don't we use it? Why don't we grow organically?

Follow the greed/money to get your answers. Very soon, we will be forced to do it right once again in order to preserve the ability to even grow more food.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), November 16, 1999.


Hey Zowie, I'm in Palisade and I have to say I was completely awestruck when I looked up at the sky and saw all those x's this morning...and I thought we were safe here in "Happy Valley" Sure makes one wonder doesn't it.

-- Mom (Mother Hen@Gathering her chicks.com), November 16, 1999.

Funny how the early reports of "black helicopters" were also laughed at by trolls. Even funnier when the black 'choppers appeared on the front cover of Popular Science mag.

Don't know why there appear to be two types of contrails from planes but there ARE! Could this be due to different fuels? different weather conditions? or ??? There's got to be something that's causing the very different types of contrails. I'd really like to know if anyone's got some facts about this. I've seen both types but haven't a clue what it means. I've got a persistent URI but would be hard pressed to connect it to contrails unless there's hard evidence.

-- Sceptic (dont@have.answer), November 16, 1999.



Just a final comment... I work on the top floor of a building with glass all around and could see the "show" in all directions. It lasted about 2 hours and I eventually saw 6 planes at one time -- all leaving contrails. I would estimate there were 50 "X's" by the time they finished. Kind of hard to believe 50 passenger jets passed 50 other passenger jets right over this spot in the desert... in less than 2 hours...

-- zowie (zowie@duckand.cover), November 17, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Sterility... now that would really piss me off!

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 17, 1999.


Zowie and Mother Hen:

I'm near GJ, too. Email me if you want another local Doomer contact.

Godspeed,

-- Pinkrock (aphotonboy@aol.com), November 17, 1999.


Hot air balloons usually fly in the early morning just prior to dawn. At that time, the sun has not yet heated the surrounding atmosphere causing winds. Nice and calm in the morning lots of times.

The front range DID have formations of helicopters on manuever 2 years ago or so. Also on a regular basis, army hueys (standard green of type used vietnam era) were making regular runs back and forth from somewhere east of Denver almost straight west over the mountains. They most often were flights of 2 groups of 3 sometimes more. No big deal, except that they always came back the same way several hours later.

It was the black and whites that made my skin crawl though. Operating very low over the buttes just at the western edge of the metro area. Groups of up to 8... maybe more. Then suddenly the flights stopped.

By the way, the black and whites were on top of you before you could even tell where they were coming from.

-- maid upname (noid@ihope.com), November 18, 1999.


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