From:
"Paul Milne"
6:26 PM
Subject:
Re: Bad news for Milne and the doom squad
Robert Egan wrote in message
news:382CA884.85178999@juno.com...
> Me wrote:
> >
> > Wow, lots of Y2k news this week, all good.
> >
> > When did you say the world was going to end, Paul?
> >
>
> Paul changes the line almost daily. The latest one I've seen was Y2K +
> two weeks.
>
>
Don't wish so fervently for your demise, asshole. It will come along soon
enough.
In the mean time, since those of my 'persuasion' are so sick, so twisted ,
so demented, so mistaken about Y2K, can you please explain why you devote so
much time to posting here? I mean Y2K is a hoax, isn't it? Absolutely
amazing that a smart guy like you would devote Soooooo much time to the
csy2k newsgroup. I can just imagine how you are in there bashing all the
alien spaceship groups and the comet groups and the tidal wave groups. I
mean all of them are dead wrong too, and yet, ......you devote an
extra-ordinary amount of time here to 'prove' us all wrong.
Another question, repeatedly you have accused me of 'sedition'. Have you
ever posted consistently to any other newsgroup concerning the far far far
far more egregiously 'seditious' postings made by them? No. Only here.
Hmmmmmm
It appears that *I* am the only one who is wrong on Y2K. The ONLY one who is
'seditious'. So much that no one else occupies your every attention.
Gee, there must really be something to what I am saying to have rattled you
so badly.
Thanks for reading bob. I will post much more for you to read. Take your
time and digest my words. Cogitate on them and spend even more time away
from your family to spend time with someone who is so completely wrong that
it would make no difference anyway.
Enjoy your obsession, bobo. : )
--
Paul Milne
"If you live within 5 miles of a 7-11, you're toast"
> Regards,
> Robert Egan
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-- 123 (123@123.123), November 13, 1999
Answers
If Y2K is a 7-11 and you live within 5 miles of Paul Milne then
you're toast...
-- I'm (feeling@toasty.me), November 13, 1999.
It is altogether amusing to see the amount of time that some people
will spend to lie, to mischaracterize and to distort what people say.
My position has not changed in the least. When it has I will serve
notice.
Let little egan have his fun. I am sure he is greatly amused. Simple
things amuse simple minds.
Paul Milne
"If you live within 5 miles of a 7-11, you're toast"
-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), November 13, 1999.
Oh, it is so refreshing to read Paul Milne's words! After slogging
thru the reeking murk of polly suck-ups, Paul is bracing,
straightforward, resurrecting to the befogged brain cells.
Funny too, and always right-on! You ROCK, Paul!
-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), November 13, 1999.
It is altogether amusing to see the amount of time that some people
will spend to lie, to mischaracterize and to distort what people say.
My position has not changed in the least. When it has I will serve
notice.
Let little egan have his fun. I am sure he is so greatly amused.
Simple things amuse simple minds.
Paul Milne
"If you live within 5 miles of a 7-11, you're toast"
-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), November 13, 1999.
123,
Paul was being sarcastic, get it? I think you either knew that when
you posted this, or else you are a complete imbecile, it has to be one
of the two.
-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 13, 1999.
The polly/shills have a new line now: Shortages Here and There
(S.H.[!]T.). So in Y2K we'll have SH!T for food, SH!T for gasoline,
SH!T for utilities, SH!T for money, SH!T for jobs......overall we can
expect SH!T for next year. BTW this outbreak of SH!T might cause a
short recession.
-- Ocotillo (peeling@out.===), November 13, 1999.
Imbecile no two ways about it, he's an imbecile. As usual, Paul is
right again.
-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), November 13, 1999.
Thanks, Paul, for convincing me to move more than five miles from a seven-eleven.
And thanks, Pollies, for keeping those supply lines nice and clear right up to the last minute. The only reason to complete preps early is to avoid the XMas shopping rush!
-- cgbg jr (cgbgjr@webtv.net), November 13, 1999.
I imagine by September everyone will be a polly.
-- Mr. Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), November 13, 1999.
intellect varies in degrees----
some people have spatial mental qualities-----
some peoples lives are balanced----
some people have time to read and study----
Let me set this one up: The gentleman that heads the IEEE Y2K chair.
wrote an essay recently. The IEEE is an entity that governs STANDARDS
that allow computer networks to communicate with each other.
He stated in his essay, Compliancy was never possible because we
did not create the interconnectedness of the system of systems with
standards to handle this upcoming date change!! Read this again.
His final paragraph in his essay made reference to the elite
programmers and leadership are going to drive this ship into the
icebergs and That,-- Quote. "We will burn in hell"
After reading this essay any remnant of bump in the road vacated my
mental capacity.
-- d.b. (dciinc@aol.com), November 13, 1999.
**** Notice ****
Mr Eagan did not post this thread here, I did. His name appears in
it because I was quoting one of his posts on C.S.Y2k that Milne
replied to, where Milne said he was as wrong as the UFO/Comet etc.
crowd.
-- 123 (123@123.123), November 13, 1999.
From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California
M. 123: Mr. Milne was clearly lampooning Mr. Egan's position.
-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 14, 1999.
Where is the essay that the chair of the IEEE wrote.... please post
that link , db.
-- wind (windsofchange@are.blowin), November 14, 1999.
"My position has not changed in the least. When it has I will serve
notice."
So you *are* still sticking with the "millions and millions and
uncounted millions will die" line, right? It's so hard to tell, since
it was a fixture in so many posts for so long and has now vanished
from your posts. Also, it's hard to believe that since you have yet
to answer the question of whether or not that is, in fact, still your
position over the two months now I've been asking the question.
So, which is it?
-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), November 14, 1999.
I should have known I wouldn't get an answer.
How typical.
-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), November 16, 1999.
Paul: Either I haven't browsed to the right level or you quit
posting for a while. I haven't seen your name for a year or so (I
became a little busy/bored and don't come here near as much as I used
to). Why did this become a hangout for the doomers? Originally,
this seemed like a forum to discuss the implications of the y2k issue
as opposed to what we are now looking at.
-- Slickaroo (slick@hucheemama.com), November 16, 1999.
To Paul Neuhardt,
"If you live within 5 miles of a 7-11, you are toast."
This phrase continues to appear at the end of every post or
response that Paul Milne slaps up here or elsewhere.
It seems to me that this implies that millions and millions will
die. I'm guessing that this means that he hasn't changed his
position.
I think after rollover, some time in February or March, if millions
and millions are not dead due to Y2K-related problems, then you can
ask Paul if the evidence suggests that he overestimated the impact of
Y2K on our economy/society.
Of course, if Milne is right, almost no one will care that any of
these boards ever existed.
-- nothere nothere (notherethere@hotmail.com), November 16, 1999.
I think after rollover, some time in February or March, if millions
and millions are not dead due to Y2K-related problems, then you can
ask Paul if the evidence suggests that he overestimated the impact of
Y2K on our economy/society.
I think I can take a wild guess at his response. It will go something
like this:
Patience, oh foolish one.
Don't be so quick to long for your eventual demise. It will come soon
enough.
It won't be long now.
Just a guess.
-- (duh@duh.duh), November 16, 1999.
"Paul: Either I haven't browsed to the right level or you quit
posting for a while. I haven't seen your name for a year or so (I
became a little busy/bored and don't come here near as much as I used
to). Why did this become a hangout for the doomers? Originally, this
seemed like a forum to discuss the implications of the y2k issue as
opposed to what we are now looking at."
I haven't been here nearly as much as I used to be for much the same
reasons that you state. First, I have a life outside of this
discussion and I continue to lead it. Second, I got tired of sifting
through the noise about martial law, contrail spraying, colloidal
silver, and how everything even romotely connected to the governemnt
is an evil conspiracy to delude, defraud and enslave the masses with
Y2K as the catalyst for action.
I have, however, continued to post from time to time, so you must
just have missed me. My postings in this thread have to do with the
fact that Paul Milne, held up by som many here as the voice of what
they laughingly call "reason" has not managed to answer either of two
basic, simple questions that I have been putting to him for months.
"What is your proof that millions and millions and uncounted millions
will certainly die from Y2K?" (I've been asking this one for nearly a
year now.)
"Is the fact that you have stopped using the 'millions and millions
will die' phrase in your postings as of late an indication that you
no longer believe that to be true?" (He's only been avoiding this one
for a few weeks.)
-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), November 16, 1999.
"It seems to me that this implies that millions and millions will
die. I'm guessing that this means that he hasn't changed his
position."
Perhaps, but the "millions and millions and uncounted millions will
certainly die" schtick had become as much of his postings as the 7-11
line. Now, it no longer is. I'm just looking to see if he has dropped
the line because he got tired of typing it or becuase he no longer
believes it. I originally even made it simple for him to answer by
phrasing the question such that a one word answer would do.
"Do you still believe that millions and millions and uncounted
millions will certainly die due to Y2K?" Valid answers are as
follows: Yes, no.
You wouldn't think it would be so hard for someone who has so many
opinions, and who expresses them so strongly and so regularly, to
answer a simple yes-or-no question regarding a statement he has made
over and over again, would you?
-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), November 16, 1999.
Gosh golly. Another week and still no answer. Who would have thought
that, huh?
-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), November 23, 1999.
How's your own personal little conversation with yourself going, Paul
N.? or should I say Charles? or are you just related?
-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), November 23, 1999.
From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California
My position has not changed in the least. When it has I will serve
notice...
-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), November 13, 1999.
Mr. Neuhardt, what more do you want?
-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 23, 1999.
"My position has not changed in the least. When it has I will serve
notice... -- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), November 13, 1999.
Mr. Neuhardt, what more do you want?"
First off, an answer to "where's your proof," a question I've been
asking him for a year, and one I notice you also neglected to take a
stab at.
Second, It would be nice to hear it from him, the source of
the "millions and millions..." schtick. If he is willing to stay with
it, he shoul dbe able to say so directly.
-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), November 29, 1999.
From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California
First off, an answer to "where's your proof," a question I've been
asking him for a year, and one I notice you also neglected to take a
stab at.
I didn't figure that I needed to respond to that question, since it
wasn't my statement in the first place. But, as long as you're
challenging folks, how about you take up a challenge. The onus is on
the "don't worry, be happy" folks to demonstrate that the tragically
broken code has been fully remediated. If that can't be adequately
demonstrated to my satisfaction, then I'll continue to work to
get my family, my neighbors and my community prepared for possible
disruptions, not to mention trying to help perfect strangers online.
-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 30, 1999.
"work to get my family, my neighbors and my community prepared for
possible disruptions, not to mention trying to help perfect strangers
online."
It's not a matter of help, it's a matter of backing up the wild (and
frankly irrational) statements he often makes regarding the
consequences of Y2K with even the faintest shred of evidence. He has
produced EXACTLY 0 proof of his "millions and millions..." schtick,
even though he has been promoting it for years. Why do you suppose
that is, hmmmm?
-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), November 30, 1999.
"The onus is on the "don't worry, be happy" folks to demonstrate that
the tragically broken code has been fully remediated."
Yes, I've heard this line before. In fact, I've been through it
repeatedly with Roger Altman, who freely admits there is no proof
that he will find acceptable, yet he continues to demand such proof,
placing the "burden" (I see youprefer to hide behind the word "onus")
of proof on the position that things in life will proceed largely
normally. He references only information citing problems and refuses
to consider information showing success. I am guessing by the tone of
your post that you will be in a similar position, and I have grown
weary of that particular fight.
Wait a few more months. Since that is the only proof you will accept,
it the only proof I have left to offer. Then, we will all know.
-- Paul Neuhardt (neuhardt@ultranet.com), November 30, 1999.
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