"5 sided buildings" how about a tetrahedron, don't forget the floor.

"Rule of Mars" -Martial law. We have been expecting this from the getgo. When the rail-system goes Tango Uniform, expect nationalization of trucking. When fuel-rationing begins, expect nationalization of storage depots and refineries. Expect wage and price controls. Expect restrictions on travel, We've seen the "neatest" id's.

And now a comment for Maria.

NCA- National Command Authority, a term usually used with regard to implementation. As in "I have NCA to engage, launch, involve, etc." It is not customary to use this term in everyday language. The Secret Service and MAJCOMs use POTUS and VPOTUS but the everyday workerbees use: CINC or Vice CINC, or Clinton, or Gore, or that group of idiots, Pervert-in-Chief, Asshole, Communist Pig, Philanderer-in-Chief, The first man, Perp and Vice-Perp, Traitors, Treasonous Bastards, etc. you get the point. BTW during a froaml dining-in the toast is not to the "National Command Authority" it is to the "Commander-in-Chief"

Funny how your argument falls short when it is nitpicked, and this wasn't nitpicking. Why don't YOU get your head out of the sand or wherever it may be.

-- c4i (c4ixxx@hotmail.com), November 11, 1999

Answers

Any "guestimates" on timeframes for travel restrictions and fuel rationing? I have a son 500 miles away, I'm juggling/hoping to get here. He is NOT prepared for anything past pizza delivery being disrupted......, but is coming to Michigan 12-28-99 (I hope).

Please, keep in touch.

-- mushroom (mushroom_bs_too_long@yahoo.com), November 11, 1999.

"When fuel-rationing begins, expect nationalization of storage depots and refineries."

I know, and boy, I wish it were otherwise, because I'd sure like to play oil, dangit.

Don't bother with Maria (most of us quit many months ago), she lives on some other planet.

So can you describe those kewl IDs a little further? Thank you, Sir.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), November 11, 1999.

Yes, fellow Yourdynamites, this is the real c4i.
And c4i is real.

Thank you very much for the explanations and clarification of terms. Those of us military-dumbos need all the patient help we can get understanding your very different world. We appreciate your service.

Glad we have FEMA i.d. cards. But we have no interest in travelling! What are the criteria for travel restrictions? 5 blocks? 2 miles? Stay-in-city? Interstate?

Wage & price controls, that'll be interesting. Lots of artificial forced control -- haven't ever experienced that.

According to Koffinsky's slips, this has been in the works at least a year ... all the poor unsuspecting weeples.

Can't visualize a world taken over by MORE controls and regulations and loss of freedom ... but it's better than total anarchy ruled by gangs, mobs, looters, pillagers, rapists, arsonists, scavengers, parasites.

Problem is, once .gov tastes this kind of power, they don't wanna let go, and use it as cover to introduce and implement all kinds of nasty "reforms" "for your own good" [vomit]

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), November 11, 1999.

What a load of crap. c4i is full of it. A&L will swallow anything.

"Don't forget the floor." Hahahahahaha

What about the roof?

-- lol (pent@gon.myass), November 11, 1999.

Questions for c4i;

When does 'the crisis' begin (e.g. rationing, restrictions, etc.)?

I expect a 'hot' war, or at least a scenario that could lead to same (e.g. China takes Taiwan) well before rollover, as in very soon now. I just can't believe that the heads of 'radical' states are unaware that their infrastructure is in jeopardy and that they will not, on account of this, make pre-emptive strikes. What is your opinion or knowledge regarding this speculation of mine?

Finally, do you believe 'they' will close the stock markets?

-- Me (me@me.me), November 11, 1999.

Hey c4i,

Do you want to have some REAL fun?

If so, post what you know over at the Polly Lair:

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/board.html

But be careful. They've warned everyone that they do ADVANCED y2k talk. Lock and load.

-- could be (better@than.primetime), November 11, 1999.

Are you coming home before rollover, or staying where you are? Or don't you have a choice?

What do you know about Tava/Beck's findings?

-- (peek@boo.icu), November 11, 1999.

It has the earmarks of a very dangerous time, yes it does...

-- (...@.......), November 11, 1999.

c4i,

Given the tremendous amount of .223 in the hands of the civilian "militia," how does the Rule of MARS get implemented unless it is done with tact and respect??

Just observing social trends, not threatening anyone...

-- Z (Z@Z.Z), November 11, 1999.

I see that serious questions DO get deleted before c4i can get to answer.

Rule of MARS may not be acceptable to everyone...only the D.C. power trippers underestimate the anger out here in Flyover country. What is different this time is a willingness to NEVER AGAIN have another WACO.

ONCE AGAIN the question for c4i...How will the Rule of MARS be implemented unless it is with tact and respect???

Sysops, AT LEAST give c4i a decent interval to answer since this question was at least implicit in his ORIGINAL post about struggle

for control of certain stratigic assets.

-- Z (Z@Z.Z), November 11, 1999.

Z (Z@Z.Z),

There's a delay factor in posts posting now since Phil Greenspun "tweeked" the forum software to address the "server busy" problem. (Not the Sysops... and not c4i).

;-D

Patience Glashoppa'.

*Sigh*

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 11, 1999.

Diane,

Thanks for the clarification...I will have to see where I have excess clutter obstructing the good Feng Shui flows...I apologize for flying off the handle.

But it is a serious question..."The Great Reckoning" by Davidson and Lord Rees-Mogg mentioned that by 1989 several MILLION AK style weapons had been imported. And that was then...who knows about now. If Rule of Mars is planned, then I fear it could be a catastrophy unless it is handled VERY tactfully.

-- Z (Z@Z.Z), November 11, 1999.

I love it c4i, you proved my point. So in command and control circles, he is known as NCA and other times as Commander in chief, not CINC. Re-read my post. Keep up the good work making these morons feel good. They need all the help they can get.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), November 11, 1999.

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000w5S

Why Paul Milne is a Polly

Our apologies to Paul. We knew this would draw the maximum amount of attention.

We have a background in C2 (Command and Control). This means we are BIG PICTURE people. We're paid to play the "What If" Game. We're paid to extrapolate information and trend data. We're paid to provide an OVERALL assessment of operations, support, logistics, and socioeconomic and psychological factors for situations. We're paid to plan strategies for the long view.

In short it means we have the information, tools, intelligence systems, talent, and know-how at this organization's disposal to reasonably forecast and predict outcomes.

We have an 89.3% rate of our forecasts coming true and this is for events without a definitive date. This organization is studying Y2K.

Yes, we are DOD. No, we don't like this scenario. We believe it is not only possible, it is probable. Our assessment as follows:

1. Because we the government, and in particular him the CINC, has done nothing public other than preach "the winter storm" the country cannot and will not prepare in a timely fashion. We will go 10. The CINC is in deep denial, and still believes with the VCINC that Gates will pull a rabbit out of his hat.

2. Initial power outages will be 1-2 weeks in the South and Midwest. The Northeast will experience 3-4 week outages, the West and Southwest 2-3 weeks. We're not talking brownouts.

3. Dee Cee will be an armed camp starting 15 Dec 99. There are 120 major cities within the U.S. There are approximately 2.25 million troops; this includes the NG and Reserves. The cities will be chaotic at best and the troops will not be sent in, they will be used to cordon off areas of unrest. Isolate the fire.

4. The following industries will be nationalized: Power, Fuel, Transportation, Agriculture (not individual farms), Chemical, Mining, Pharmaceuticals, Hospitals, and Communications. There will be a bank holiday before the rollover -date determined by the people.

5. Governors will institute Martial Law for heavily populated areas. The CINC will usurp the Governors and declare national Martial Law to restrict interstate travel and to mobilize the work force. The CINC's action will be too much for many in both the military and private sector. The "Militia" groups will mobilize.

6. The Congress will activate the inactive Militia "all able bodied males between the ages of 17 and 45" will report to designated staging and training areas, the hope is to quell dissent and re-establish a Constitutional methodology to the event. The "Militia" actually a pseudo-militia, they have no Constitutional standing, they don't fall under the discipline prescribed by Congress (Art I, Sec 8, Clauses 15 & 16) will balk. Open insurrection ensues

7. Famine and disease will breakout in the parts of the cities not under Martial Law. Fighting is widespread for strategic transportation hubs, fuel depots, armories, and granaries. More service members desert or join the militia. Class warfare ensues.

8. Several missile launch complexes are taken. Negotiation with Dee Cee begins. NORAD falls via an insider. Dee Cee capitulates.

There is no definitive timeline other than the panic will ensue Sept-Oct timeframe.

To Flint, Anita, Poole, Y2Kpro, and the like who say "hogwash, no-way, can't happen, you're nuts, etc." YOU do not have the information that we have. YOU have proven your inability to analyze. In short YOU lack what we call SA (Situational Awareness). YOU are a danger because you go beyond "questioning your beliefs." You do not acknowledge the negative information presented and act accordingly.

-- c4i (c4ixxx@hotmail.com), June 10, 1999
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-- remember that? (still@hot.hotter), November 11, 1999.

this is following the scared thread

that maria troll is getting worse as the springload winds closer

DOD could use her as a weapon, c4i can he see the potentials there

-- catfight spectator (sheden@spitball.gorg), November 11, 1999.

Tetrahedron has four sides including the floor. Pyramids -- now there's a five-sider.

-- Dave (aaa@aaa.com), November 11, 1999.

C4I, Thanks for your reports. While i know nothing of the preparations for handling internal problems and cannot vouch for their accuracy, i do know directly that the problem of not so nice people in the world taking advantage of Y2K turmoil is being taken very seriously by the military and security forces. More seriously than any other threat i have seen in twenty five years of some involvement in the area. The planning includes how to operate in a much degraded internal situation while working to keep the bad guys from making it worse. Nothing directed against our people, just trying to keep them from being victims. What i have observed and what you are reporting seems to be two sides of the same coin. Will anything serious happen? Hopefully not. i would like to look around a few days into january and laugh at the preparations. I think 50/50 but i think you are not as optimistic. Maria, i hope you have somebody to take care of you if things go bad. I don't think you will make it on your own.

-- Noone (noone@none.com), November 11, 1999.

If I didn't know any better (and I'm sure you guys think I don't), c4i is Nikoli. come on Nik is that you?

Noone, as your name suggests, you and your comments mean nothing to me. I can care for myself better than you think, my dear. But then again you can't think very much at all can you?

Catfight spectator, Paul hasn't gone through a meltdown has he? Go watch him for a while.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), November 11, 1999.

7 WEEKS

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), November 11, 1999.

Marie, You seem to be able to concieve only of one possible outcome. Many seemingly strong people have that characteristic, and it works. Until the outcome doesn't match the expectation. Then suddenly they need help in a way they never did before. Your writings strike me as marking you as that sort. I hope the outcome of Y2k is as you believe. If it isn't, will you still insist only you can think in a logical coherent manner and anyone else is beyond the pale? I often believe x will happen instead of y. But often y happens instead. or Z, or w. but i keep plodding on. Must be nice to be godlike as you are. Oh, well, I'll just have to live with my humanity.

-- Noone (noone@none.com), November 11, 1999.

LOL Maria. No I'm not C41 but I wish I had access to the inside info he seems to. What he is saying makes a lot of sense to me, sure tallies up with all these urban warfare exercises and command bunkers.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 11, 1999.

Maria,

You're not saving anyone and the rest of us would appreciate it if you'd get a new hobby.

-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), November 11, 1999.

BTW c4i,

Just ignore Maria... her knickers are still twisted. How else can you deal with her?

;-D

Bet you guys must feel pretty discouraged about now. FOF and keep a lid on it, for the most part, appears to be the Presidential "anything but Y2K" strategy of choice.

Lawyers.

*Sigh*

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 12, 1999.

Maria: did you say catfight??? Tell me more!!!!

Breathlessly yours,

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 12, 1999.

how do they ease out of all those restrictions

-- beryl (beryls@pbsed.com.edu), November 12, 1999.

Said in soto voice as an aside to King of Spain:

As one who has consistently appreciated and tried himself to interject humor on this board wherever possible, I must say that you have my vote as the most consistent chuckle-producer of the whole pack.

Just wanted to let you know that someone out here apprectiates you efforts!

-Greybear

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), November 12, 1999.