It seems one of our new forum members (Brooklyn) likes to post ComputerWorld articles. If you are interested, you may do your own perusal of what has been written in ComputerWorld by using their handy search engine:

http://www.computerworld.com/home/search.nsf/search?openform

My "Y2K" search revealed some 485 matches. The "Faces of Y2K" seemed a nice article focusing on the folks who have been fixing the problem.

http://www.computerworld.com/home/features.nsf/all/990913faces

Please feel free to read all 485.... though I see some have been posted on this forum before.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), November 10, 1999

Answers

Ken, Don't let Brooklyn get your dander up. But it is always nice to know another link, just in case that I may need to find out any information from that trade rag. I don't normally read the ones that I get, so it is really doubtful that I shall search this one. But thanks anyway. Hey, maybe one of the forum article posters will crosspost all 485 of them here.

-- (legs@long.lean), November 10, 1999.

Ed Yourdon is the author of quite a few of those 485. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), November 10, 1999.

Welcome to the l-o-n-g list, Brooklyn.

-- Member (Decker's@shit.list), November 10, 1999.

Brooklyn isn't on any "list." He was trying to (pardon the expression) bust my balls over not posting some CW articles. In response, here are ALL the ComputerWorld articles on Y2K. Now, someone find me the CW article that talks about long-term food storage.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), November 10, 1999.

First twenty articles from Computer World that were found for the search term, "Yourdon", from 1998 to today:

93% Do n't shoot the year 2000 lawyers
(Online Features, 6/22/98)

90% Year 2000 advice: Plan now for testing
(Online Features, 3/16/98)

90% Data corruption: the silent Y2K killer
(Biz - Opinions, 10/18/99)

90% Ready for the great IT moratorium of 1998?
(Managing, 1/19/98)

88% Wh ere's the basis for year 2000 optimism?
(Online Features, 2/16/98)

88% Wher e's the basis for year 2000 optimism?
(Managing, 2/16/98)

87% Y2K and the employee
(Biz - Opinions, 9/20/99)

87% Y2K legislation and you
(Biz - Opinions, 6/21/99)

87% Year 2000 advice: plan now for testing
(Managing, 3/16/98)

86% Y2K' s nastiest work
(Biz - Opinions, 8/16/99)

86% The right Y2K image
(Biz - Opinions, 5/17/99)

86% Gett ing a Y2K edge on the competition
(Biz - Opinions, 3/15/99)

86% Shap e up or ship out
(Biz - Opinions, 2/15/99)

86% Now' s the time to size up Y2K task
(Biz - Opinions, 1/18/99)

86% The moral dimension of Y2K
(Managing, 12/14/98)

86% Year 2000 and the corporate citizen
(Managing, 11/16/98)

86% Sign up users and customers for the Y2K bug-buster corps
(Managing, 9/21/98)

86% Year 2000 also involves noncritical systems
(Managing, 4/20/98)

86% Simu late to test how ready you are for the year 2000
(Managing, 7/20/98)

84% Year 2000 Scoreboard | April 6, 1998
(Online Features, 4/6/98)

Sincerely,
Stan Faryna

Got 14 days of preps? If not, get started now. Click here.

Click here and check out the TB2000 preparation forum.

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 10, 1999.

Well, I would not call myself new here, I have been lurking for a while. Long enough to learn the modus operandi of pollies such as the initiator of this thread.

Ken, why don't you answer my reply to you in my thread on Mr. Ulrich? Have nothing to say?

Just last comment -- you can find a lot more Y2K relevant information in "trade rags" than in the rags that serve as mouthpieces to Clinton and his servants.

-- Brooklyn (MSIS@cyberdude.com), November 10, 1999.

Now, someone find me the CW article that talks about long-term food storage.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), November 10, 1999.

Now, Ken, you are starting to sound like some government shill. Are you saying that Y2K will be caused by people who will buy some extra- food to insure themselves against disruptions next year? Or are you saying that TB2000 is here for the sole purpose of discussion on how to prepare for those disruptions? If my second question is answered positively, then why did you use CW as a source of information when you posted the article about happy programmers who want to work during the rollover?

-- Brooklyn (MSIS@cyberdude.com), November 10, 1999.

Brooklyn,

You wanted ComputerWorld articles... here they are. You have been around the forum long enough to learn "Andy's" style. When you cannot argue the substance... attack the poster.

Here are the simple facts... I posted a handful of recent articles including one from ComputerWorld. You found a CW article you liked better. You then accused me of being a "hypocrite" or "blind" because I didn't post your article. I responded by giving forum readers a quick link to ALL CW articles. In the exchange, you have continued to engage in baseless personal attacks... suggesting I do not read current events and have a "modus operandi."

FYI, I emailed Mr. Ulrich directly and asked for his comments. I'm not sure he'll respond, but I will be delighted to share the results with the forum. Please see the other thread for my "other" comments.

Finally, how often have we seen this scene replayed. Some "IT guru" posts and within a few threads, we see the Clinton bashing. (In Mr. Roberts voice) "Can you say, 'agenda.' I knew you could." If you had bothered to ask, I read a fair number of magazines and journals (including "The Economist") that originate outside of the U.S. I do this for a specific reason. The rest of the world has a much different view of America than we do of ourselves. They also portray Clinton in different terms than the U.S. media. I also read publications on both the "right" and "left."

This does not make me an expert on IT... but it does give me a more balanced view of the world at large.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), November 10, 1999.

I could have one of our researchers search for such an article, but where should I send the bill? (laughing)

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 10, 1999.

Ken, Ken, Ken. Reviewing my previous posts I could only find my criticism of your position, or your opinions. You, meanwhile, refuse to answer my questions, using my attack on media as a reason. Again, you have to do better than that.

In regards to my first thread, it seems very convenient for you to claim complete ignorance about CW Y2K articles while stating that you use Yahoo as your source of news. You used CW and not Yahoo as a source of your information, and therefore, I had to (as pollies claim) provide articles to balance that crappy article that you posted. Besides, I did not see the other articles until I read them on my way home.

Yes, you are right, CW has a wealth of information on Y2K. Some of those articles are pure BS (if you want, I can provide examples), some provide useful information. Next time you decide to use CW as your source look for the second category.

-- Brooklyn (MSIS@cyberdude.com), November 10, 1999.

Ah, now the "shill" accusation. Remind me to write a parody song about this all-too-predictable progression. If you have been around awhile, you may have read my predictions. It is silly to suggest Y2K problems will be caused by the modest stockpiling currently occuring.

The original TB 2000 "Welcome" on Ed Yourdon's home page invited anyone interested in Y2K to join in. It was a broad invitation that the current sysop's have tried mightily to narrow. In fact, there is a "preps" forum just for those who do not want to bother with reading CW articles.

Finally, I've been supportive of the IT folks who have made a tremendous effort to ensure we will endure the rollover. I can understand how some IT pros want to celebrate NYE. I also appreciate the pros who want to be on the "front lines. Not long ago, I wrote a thread commending the folks who will be working on NYE. In fact, it is their willingness not to "bug out" that will help us make it through.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), November 10, 1999.

First. I did not see your additional comments on the other forum.

Second. "The rest of the world has a much different view of America than we do of ourselves" -- funny you had to mention it. You see, just 7.5 years ago I was a citizen of the country formerly known as ... (no, not the Prince) USSR (now, that explains the love of caviar). However, the way americans (and I consider myself one) view themselves has nothing to do with the way computer process dates and international interdependencies.

-- Brooklyn (MSIS@cyberdude.com), November 10, 1999.

In that commendation post, Decker, you said:

"Thank God I never shared a foxhole with anyone that selfish."

What foxhole, Ken?

-- Would (like@to.know), November 10, 1999.

Ken, you are losing me. Didn'y you asked:  Now, someone find me the CW article that talks about long-term food storage. Why would CW print such an article? Could it be because many well known sources (government) claim that Y2K problems will be caused by food hoarding citizenry.

-- Brooklyn (MSIS@cyberdude.com), November 10, 1999.

First, what are your specific questions?

Second, it was not hard to find ComputerWorld using a web browser and find their search engine. Perhaps you can exercise your Internet muscles and go to Yahoo! and look at the Y2K "Full Coverage." You'll see the CW article I posted... but not the Ulrich article. Of course, it is much easier to insinuate ill motives on my part than to do your research.

Third, if you don't like the article, bitch to the author... not me.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), November 10, 1999.

Ken

In regards to research, there is very few people on the forum that do it let alone the press. Garbage in, Garbage out. What I see from my sources and what I see in the press (and often the forum) amounts to Dr. Seuss. The press has failed in their understanding the problem or are providing propaganda. Either option is disappointing, and drags down the ability to truly understand what we are up against.

The system is failing becuase of ignorance. And nothing is going to help that situation now except learning the hard way.

This is so fucking stupid. Watch you don't contribute to it.

The dumbing down of western civilization.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), November 10, 1999.

Brian, take a deep breath.

Brooklyn, it was a semi-serious joke. To my knowledge, you will not find a single CW article that purports Y2K will be the end of the world. This was my point, if somewhat obscure. Please provide any report from gov't agencies that declare Y2K problems will be caused by storing food. (laughter) You will find reports that say panic can cause problems. This seems rather obvious.

On the foxhole issue, I have made a point not to discuss my personal background aside from some very basic issues. My academic background is in economics and I served in the U.S. military. Oh, and I live in the Mid Atlantic region (not DC). I politely decline to go into more detail. (That includes children, Brian.)

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), November 10, 1999.

Didn't someone say Decker was in the Navy for a while? If he was a sailor, then I think I know what he meant. : )

Brooklyn, a belated welcome to America. I guess all Russian and former Soviet citizens know about supply lines and interconnectivity -- probably better than anyone, except perhaps Napoleon (VBG).

-- Decker (has.a@shady.past!), November 10, 1999.

." I politely decline to go into more detail. (That includes children, Brian.)

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), November 10, 1999."

Ken

I have not brought that up for at least half a year. Are you so behind the times?

If this is the best you can do to deal with issues, bring up old comments, is "childish". Now can you tell me why the press should be believed or economists? If they get the same information as you then we are going to hell in a handbasket.

And I don't look at this as an end of the world issue, you will never have seen me post anything about the power, banking, or telcos in a negative sense. If they don't have it fixed it won't be for a lack of trying. Plus the power issue is just like planes. It has been way over blown.

But how much economic impact will happen if the education, health, chemical, transport sectors have serious problems? And these are known areas with problems.

Economics is a display of ignorance, looking backwards while driving is a stupid idea.

Find the answers to these and other problems in Yahoo eh?

Oh and don't start putting words in my mouth that I didn't mention. Bad idea.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), November 10, 1999.

Brian, relax... It was not a "dig," just a restatement of my position. Nothing personal meant.

I don't believe every economist (trust me, I know a few.) I don't believe every media outlet. I do think there are some sharp economists and reporters out there. When I listen to people who I trust and respect (because of their credentials), I do not hear the "end of the world" scenario.

Look, Brian, I have stated for "months" that I think Y2K will have a negative economic impact. Weren't you the one who attacked me for not considering heat sources for the elderly? (Sorry, but I've been hacked so many times I lose track.) Does it look like we'll lose heat for an extended period? Not in North America.

I'm not here to say economists have some special monopoly on the truth. The CW articles are from a trade magazine. You won't find a ton of panic... and it ain't much different for the rest of the IT press (to my knowledge.)

If PC Week comes out with preparation recommendations, Brian, I'm going to go with what they recommend. Fair enough?

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), November 10, 1999.

"Look, Brian, I have stated for "months" that I think Y2K will have a negative economic impact. Weren't you the one who attacked me for not considering heat sources for the elderly? (Sorry, but I've been hacked so many times I lose track.) Does it look like we'll lose heat for an extended period? Not in North America."

Well I am more comfortable than last spring but the jury is still out in regards to natural gas and oil supplies. That would have been a comment I made along time ago also. But this is not offencive because I still insist that TPTB are neglecting the older folks. Society is not set up for failures in utilities and the ones that feel it are the sick and elderly.

This goes more to the structure of society after observations of the ice storm. It is like denial or something. Its like people are afraid of natural or manmade disaster. Hard to explain that side of my conserns. But you would know what I mean.

Preparing to me means minimizing the impacts of disruption to your life. Almost more of an awareness than a tons of cans of food senerio.

But as far as loss of heat goes, I hope you are right because I know what happens if you are wrong. And as mentioned before there are no contingency plans that I have seen for failure of utilities in an urban enviorment during the dead of winter. This is what conserns me.

And I am positive that those folk behind the screen at a computer mag would have no idea of what I am talking about.

Keep your liners dry folks

-- Brian (imager@home.com), November 10, 1999.

Ken

You are right, I did make the comment about the elderly recently.

My dad is 82 so it's also a family thing.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), November 10, 1999.