Who do you nominate/vote for OR against as the "Most Valuable Poster" here? And why? Inquiring minds want to know!

-- anon (anon@here.now), November 10, 1999

Answers

I vote for Mr. Decker as MVP of TB2000.

I have found his post quite helpful, informative and thought provoking. Also, his post offer HIS specific contributions, not just a bunch of {snip} {snip} {snip}. In essence, he often offers well thought out post on relevant topics pertaining to the core issues of Y2K. He also resonds to his critics on point AND in a classy, fair minded and curteous manner. This is in contrast to lots here whose responses are just a restating of their prior positions and rants. Mr. Deckers post are full of CONTENT..and good content at that!

Considering how inflamatory this forumn is, I think the degree of civility and curteousness, as well as the classiness with which he sometimes responds curtly to those here richly deserving a "trip to the woodshed" impresses me a lot.

I think he is a classy gentleman.

My nomination and vote for TB2000 MVP go to Mr. Decker!

-- anon (anon@here.now), November 10, 1999.

The answer is obvious. Its ME silly. I am the straw that stirs the drink around here. Without ME, this forum would collapse into a heap of useless diatribe. ME, ME, ME. Vote for ME!!

ME!!!

-- ME ME ME (Me@me.me), November 10, 1999.

Old Git and Stan Farnya.

There are so many others, but I find that the two above post information that I need to know as opposed to just stuff I want to know.

Regards,

Ynott

-- Ynott (Ynott@incorruptible.com), November 10, 1999.

Robert Cook, PE

-- mushroom (mushroom_bs_too_long@yahoo.com), November 10, 1999.

It has to be Homer Beanfang.........grrrrrrrrrrrrr :)

-- (Voter@thePolls.com), November 10, 1999.

Well, it sure ain't any of the pollys. They are just a distraction.

-- truly (sickofthe@pollys.com), November 10, 1999.

For the absolute #1 spot, it would be a toss-up between "a", Old Git, and Diane. Ray, Homer Beanfang, Robert Cook, A&L would be closely following. Andy deserves a special category in itself, but I'm not quite sure how I would describe it....

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 10, 1999.

Well, at least Decker qualifies for Queer of the Hill.

-- he's (in@the.running?), November 10, 1999.

Please correct typo: that should have read 'Queen' of the Hill.

-- he's (in@the.running?), November 10, 1999.

Please don't feed...etc. etc. etc.

-- (TrollPatrol@don't.com), November 10, 1999.

I would cast my vote for a selected group of posters rather then one individual. This group would include posters from all aspects of Y2K issues that bring intelligent, thought provoking concepts to the table. Diane Squire, Ken Decker, Big Dog, Flint, Chuck, Hoff, etc. come to mind, as well as others. Without these diverse viewpoints this forum would not be the world class debate center that it has become.

-- Truth (at@the.ready), November 10, 1999.

Stan Faryna or Big Dog. It's a tie.

The honorable mention list is long.

For us "Doomers":

Old Git Mara Brian Robert Cook Count Vronsky Homer Beanfang

For providing information, news and advice.

For the "Pollies" Mr. Decker Flint Hoffmeister

For presenting the "Polly" point of veiw in a reasonable and (mostly) polite manner. They debated well and mostly kept their cool in the face of some very rude flames. The counter points were much needed and appreciated.

Watch six and keep your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.not), November 10, 1999.

I couldn't say an MVP, because there are too many. But Linkmeister deserves a very honorable mention.

-- (resigned@this.point), November 10, 1999.

Stan and the Linkmeister. Diane, Old Git and Mr. Beanfang.

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), November 10, 1999.

Yes to all of the above, but don't forget the always dependable and delightful SYSMAN!

What's important here is that the variety and range of opinions and information, along with the range of styles of expression has made this forum a fascinating place to be for the last year and a half.

-- Sara Nealy (keithn@aloha.net), November 10, 1999.

I cast my vote for " Andy ". never wavering,rock solid.......

-- kevin (innxxs@yahoo.com), November 10, 1999.

Covering the last two years - hands down: Robert Cook.

LOTS of close seconds. Yes, you are probably one.

-Greybear

-- Get Beans.

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), November 10, 1999.

Not possible to name them all :-)...

Linkmister, Diane, Robert Cook, A&L, RC, etc.

Makes me laugh the hardest: Decker

-- mar (derigueur2@aol.com), November 10, 1999.

oops, how can we have gotten this far down the post without noting: Ashton and Leska, who have given us perspective beyond our immediate situation in every post?

-- Sara Nealy (keithn@aloha.net), November 10, 1999.

It's a tie between INVAR, KOS, Andy, Nikoli, olg Git, and Stan.

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), November 10, 1999.

I think -a is worthy of a MVP mention as well. His Cross-Post of Csy2k ie.....Milne, Hamasaki adds to the balance

-- kevin (innxxs@yahoo.com), November 10, 1999.

I concur on the ready-steady crowd of Git, Faryna, Cook, et al.

Gee, it seems a shame though. Here we are with no category for "Most Headaches Caused", which would HAVE to go to:

dIeTeR (gawd, my head hurts just typing that in. how *does* he do that and stay sane - oops! answered my own question...)

Gee, do we go on now to "Most Likely to Succeed"? Now *that* might be interesting!

Good luck to us all...

-- Hugh (hewiggins@mindspring.com), November 10, 1999.

Diane Squire

If something is on the internet she'll find it!!! I think she has done a great service for this forum.

-- Kim (fleece@eritter.net), November 10, 1999.

From a newbies perspective ***

Damn, there's alot of you ---

Diane, A&L, Stan, OG, Linkmiester, Cook ...... and a very special favorite to me is ...justanother... I linked into his thread on embeddeds and have been hooked every since.

-- tootufftodecide (karlacalif@aol.com), November 10, 1999.

Interesting that the overwhelming majority here nominate those who do our research for us, thus in effect controlling what we read. And as many here have pointed out (though only referring to the mainstream media), you tend to form opinions based on what you're exposed to.

Yes, I know a lot here will think "Hey, that's not true. I think for myself and do my own damn research!" But in that case, why nominate the linkers and crossposters as valuable in the first place? All they're accomplishing is to duplicate a small part of what you do anyway, right? How valuable is duplication?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), November 10, 1999.

Flint mentioned

"Interesting that the overwhelming majority here nominate those who do our research for us, thus in effect controlling what we read. And as many here have pointed out (though only referring to the mainstream media), you tend to form opinions based on what you're exposed to."

You just have to rain on a parade eh? Some folks have been at it longer than others and know how to research better. But it absolutely amazes me how may computer folk can't or don't hot link. I like to be able to back up a statement with a link to a good source. This is the purpose of the forum. If no one did that then it is all personal opinion rather than a consensous.

Now how many folks go through the SEC filings Flint? Not many from what I have seen. How would you know what is in them if the researchers didn't go and check it out. Most folks aren't into digging though megs. of pure text to pick out the consistant patterns that the disclosures may contain.

This is just one example, but why you would bring this up in this thread is beyond me. Sharing information is something that is very human. We aren't just computers Flint.

Sometimes I think you forget that.

And from my opinion on the best posters would be all of you that have shared personal experiance in life to help enrich the lives of others. Y2K or other wise.

Thank you

-- Brian (imager@home.com), November 10, 1999.

I find it interesting in the Post-post Modern the incessant need to proclaim people best and worst...poor dearhearts, enslaved to all that black and white thinking....how about looking at yourselves first, and see yourselves on a journey...which is not a destination, and which is not about other-recognition. How about seeing human beings as being works in progress...?

Wasting my breath with full knowledge of same...

-- Donna (moment@pacbell.net), November 10, 1999.

Brian:

It may have been inadvertent on your part, but you really nailed it when you mentioned

"digging though megs. of pure text to pick out the consistant patterns that the disclosures may contain."

This is *precisely* what I was talking about. Would you be so willing to accept such efforts, or so eager to believe them, if (say) y2k Pro had done the digging and the excerpting? Mind you, Pro would be providing you with exact, unaltered quotes.

If you can answer "yes" to that question, you *would* accept Y2k Pro's quoted selections as valid and valuable, then I agree with what you say. I can assure you that Y2k Pro would indeed "pick out a consistent pattern" just as surely as you would.

If you have any doubts about accepting Y2k Pro's work, however, then logically you *must* accept that you are being fed what the excerpters want you to hear. Can you understand that?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), November 10, 1999.

Cook/Flint/Diane

-- Neil G.Lewis (pnglewis1@yahoo.com), November 10, 1999.

Leave it to Flint to fuck-up a thread containing the positive sentiments of everyone they enjoy...including pollies and doomers.

I find it repugnant that Flint has to spew the bile suggestion that we on this forum are somehow automatons because the information and links posted here is "controlled" by those with an agenda to corral us into an ideology...which is what Flint is saying in-effect.

That notion is as stupid and ridiculous as suggesting the Mainstream Press doesn't force feed the general public a bunch of propaganda that benefits their Leftist ideologies.

I would suggest the mindless automatons are those that sit in front of the tube and 'get' knowledge from Dan, Sam, Ted and Peter...and think they have a 'balanced' view of the world. But then again, Flint and Decker both have a streak of unmitigated hubris that puts them above us unwashed 'simpletons' that read not the things they read.

At least the folks that 'get' their news on this Forum have to choose and read what they glean from...that includes polly and doomer snips alike.

So now, with a broad stroke of the demouguogery brush, this forum is now nothing but a bunch "brainwashed" dimwits that only receive 'selected' newsnips according to Flint.

But I have to admit that the stupid 'spin' you now put on the SYOPS and the TB2000 forum is a play right out of the Clinton handbook. Very clever, very insidious, very stupid.

Anyone remember "Norm"? Proves Flint's new spin is bullshit.

I really think Milne is right about you in spades Flint....and that's a shame.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), November 10, 1999.

sysman . he's way cool. vicki

-- vicki (vmozeleski@aol.com), November 10, 1999.

I find it interesting in the Post-post Modern the incessant need to proclaim people best and worst...poor dearhearts, enslaved to all that black and white thinking....how about looking at yourselves first, and see yourselves on a journey...which is not a destination, and which is not about other-recognition. How about seeing human beings as being works in progress...?

Wasting my breath with full knowledge of same...

Sounds like someone's upset that nobody voted for her.

-- (duh@duh.duh), November 10, 1999.

Hardly...fame and the quest for it is a post-post modern thought disorder. How about you?

-- Donna (moment@pacbell.net), November 10, 1999.

If you have any doubts about accepting Y2k Pro's work, however, then logically you *must* accept that you are being fed what the excerpters want you to hear. Can you understand that?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), November 10, 1999.

I have no problem with good news as long as it is combined with sound reasoning. What I believe in or not is immaterial. Good news in regards to Y2K only means the status quo as it now stands though.

But that is a question for a thread regarding research, which I would have many comments on.

I found this thread more of a personal reflection of forum members figuring out who is the most popular. This is a human trait and not something you can rationalize. You maybe right in your aurguement but I have seen little from Y2K Pro that would help me understand his position.

There are several posters on this thread that have moved - taught me when they wrote. It is the distiction of the human soul that it needs to be communicated to. This is a forum that achieves that goal, it can be very beautiful. This is not something that can be achieved by research only.

It is MHO that the optimists have a hard time presenting there view because they don't understand the human need of connecting. If they did they would have a proper forum with their own personal testimony and research. But they don't and because of this they have failed to present there position. And in their failure they have decided to make a mockery of their failure, to show their postion they have to press judgement on folks that are going by their heart.

What do they (pollies) have? CPR that has demonstrated more time than enough he is one heart challanged individual.

Yet y2k has hundreds of folk that looked into the fears in their heart and the hearts of their families and friends and saw insecurity.

Flint when you can rationalize insecurity then you just come and tell me. You have my Email.

Short of that, let people be human.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), November 11, 1999.

I'ld like to thank my fan club, Sara and vicki.

I think EVERYONE makes this forum valuable. Well, almost everyone...

While people like Flint, Hoff, and Decker may be idiots (just funnin'), their voice does add much here. Wouldn't this place be pretty boring if all we did was agree, and pat each other on the back? Even some of the trolls. Sometimes they make me laugh, sometimes they make me fume, and sometimes they do have a good point.

Yes, the regulars are the forum, and I thank each and every one. But every once in a while, we get a post from a "newbie" or a "long time lurker" that really hits a home run. I think a better question is:

Your vote for "Most valuable forum" ???

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), November 11, 1999.

Well put Brian.

Each participant here is valuable. We all came here originally to learn and we still do, and not all is y2k related. As an added bonus, we found those who amused us, those who keep us informed, those who make us laugh and those who humble us. We have came to care about each other beyond y2k (how is Taz's tooth, Sara's chicks, how is Elaine doing today?), though we never have, nor probably ever will meet. And to whom do we owe the creation of this forum to?

Ed Yourdon.

-- Lilly (homesteader145@yahoo.com), November 11, 1999.

In addition to the others I would add Faith for her inspiration and compassion.

-- Maggie (aaa@aaa.com), November 11, 1999.

And to whom do we owe thanks for this forum: Ed Yourdon And to whom does Ed owe thanks for infrastructure: Phil Greenspun And to whom does Phil owe thanks for space: MIT And to whom does MIT owe thanks for money: fedgov (yeah there's some private tuition too!) & bigcorps And to whom do fedgov and bigcorps owe thanks for money: us

-- Count Vronsky (vronsky@anna.lit), November 11, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Did anybody else go to one of those junior high schools where they passed around slam books?

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 11, 1999.

Thanks... "us" et. al., and especially Ed Yourdon.

Tracking "truth" (such as it is) is a team effort.

;-D

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 11, 1999.

I find it interesting in the Post-post Modern the incessant need to proclaim people best and worst...poor dearhearts, enslaved to all that black and white thinking....how about looking at yourselves first, and see yourselves on a journey...which is not a destination, and which is not about other-recognition. How about seeing human beings as being works in progress...? Wasting my breath with full knowledge of same...

-- Donna (moment@pacbell.net), November 10, 1999.

For these sentiments I nominate Donna as the "most valuable poster" with close contenders being Stan Farnya, Big Dog, Flint, Diane, and Old Git.

-- coprolith (coprolith@rocketship.com), November 12, 1999.

I meant that.

-- coprolith (coprolith@fakemail.com), November 13, 1999.

My hats off to Cook, and Donna, and there was a school teacher but I cant recall her name, she was most helpful, Uncle Deedah gets it for most straight to the point.

-- tis me (not@aol.com), November 13, 1999.