...just got back from picking my son up from kindergarden and was listening earlier this morning to the W. Thomas chemtrail interview posted several threads down and was almost floored at what I just saw. I thought that observers of these so called "chemtrails" were paranoid, and maybe they and now I are, but there is something amazing going on in the skies over my northeast Ohio area right now. It is a beautiful totally cloudless blue sky here today and there are these trails from many, and I mean many planes all flying north leaving a trail that all end at the same point. The trails looks very systematic in the spacing of and lenght of. These are not normal. You can also see in the sky other jets flying that are leaving normal trails. The abnormal trails are taking a long time to dissipitate and spread out out like low hanging cirrus clouds. What is going on?????????

-- Vern (bacon17@ibm.net), November 08, 1999

Answers

Quick. Take a picture!

Worry about how to scan/post it later...

-- Anonymous999 (Anonymous999@Anonymous999.xxx), November 08, 1999.

You are witnessing a very common occurance.

The systematic nature of them are just due to the normal spacing of flight patterns. The start and stop of them are due to the changes in the atmosphere between those points.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), November 08, 1999.

You're being innoculated!

-- HPAC (know@whatIshould'nt.com), November 08, 1999.

.....shit, ain't got a camera! I hope the explanation about changes in the atmosphere are correct! I have never seen anything like this! I know this "did not happen" unless I could take the pictures, but got a tee time in 20 minutes or would take the time to go buy one and snap away. Are there pictures posted anywhere on the web of these trails! I would love to compare them to what I am witnessing. If anyone knows anyone who lives near Youngstown, Ohio, call them and see if they can get some pictures of this!

-- Vern (bacon17@ibm.net), November 08, 1999.

Vern, another thing to take note of if you are not within 100 miles of a major hub airport is the traffic airways of the planes that emit the normal contrails that dissipate within minutes. These airway patterns usually remain constant, i.e. the jets travel the same routes day after day. The ones that are leaving the chemtrails, at least in my portion of the world, are not traveling these airways, they are going every which way in all directions, at varying altitudes on an irregular schedule. A distinct sign for you to watch for.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), November 08, 1999.

Vern, welcome to the Twilight Zone. Do do, do do, do do, do do.

Take your pick.......1. Weather control experiment. 2. Vaccination for biological attack. 3. Population control to weaken immune systems so that the weak die off quickly. 4. NWO happy gas to make us all think Y2K will be BITR, and not prepare so UN can lead us to security in exchange for our rights. 5. Art Bell creating interest for his show.

There will be others too. For a picture of how this is done, see: http://www.artbell.com/images/jettrails.jpg

When you figure it out, let us know.

-- Bill (bill@tinfoil.com), November 08, 1999.

---just wait until you see the actual CRAP falling from the skies and sticking on everything, or you or loved ones get sick. This stuff is happening, and in my mind, beats out y2k all to hell as the most seriously underreported news event. No comparison. There is WAY too much evidence now. Physical evidence, many samples, pictures, affidavit testimony from credible witnesses, etc. Shoot, just goto some air farce tanker base homepage and look at their "mission statements"-I have- air refueling, number one, SPRAYING is number two. I have no idea what song and dance they give these crews, or what bogus secrecy oaths they are subject to, but that it is real and going on I think there's little doubt. And anyone who cares to look can go see the governmental records of the chemical and biological testing that has gone on since the 50's on unwitting US citizens, INCLUDING aerial spraying. The pollys and denialists are dead wrong on this. I fully expect some sort of disinformation response from a fedgov lurker, too, so let's hear it. If it's for our collective well being- some sort of exotic national defense-we ALL deserve to know what's going on. If it's not for national defense-legitametly-then it is malevolent spraying. I believe SOME of the spraying is part of the "Great Cull", to drastically reduce the population, and make control of the remainder more "manageable". I've posted this before, but it's time for a repost- In my(and millions of other's)opinion, y2k is a BIG DEAL. I am about a 15 on the 0 to 10 scale. with that as a caveat, I have this: we have ZERO way to "take care of" millions and millions of suddenly no food, water, electricity, etc. folks. There is only ONE solution to this problem for "them" and that is to reduce the population. The most effective way to do this, and the most effective way to shift the "blame", is by mass aerial spraying of..whatever nasty crap they got, and who really thinks they DON'T have thousands of gallons of nasty crap? And it's totally "deniable, by "them", too. We DON'T have "back up" entire cities. We DON'T have the redundant infrastructure to even take care of 10% of the population suddenly "without". So, who get's the "stuff" and who don't? Big bro will want to get his, and stay in power, too. What's he gonna do? Yes, it sounds very far out, but given my preface on the severity, as an exercise, and seeing what's going on now, what would be another "solution" for "them"? Let it all crash and burn and fail and have zillions of armed and angry folks heading out for whatever they can get? I think not, I think instead what's going on now, softening us up in the media to divert attention, and demonizing those who might emerge as effective leaders, i.e. survivalists. Vague warnings about "bio" attacks from pick-a-bad-guy-de jour. I think my points are valid. not paranoid with a reason zog

-- zog (zoggy@yahoo.com), November 08, 1999.

I've heard a lot of strange/paranoid explanations of this occurance. I see it here a lot. DFW airport is about 75 miles away, but these trails are way too low(2000-5000ft), they linger for hours until the wind finally breaks them up and they start to look like clouds, and they criss-cross all over the sky. I usually see them in the morning. They look fairly fresh between 6:00 and 8:00. By 10:00 they are less distinct and moving away. I dont pretend to know what this IS, but it sure as h--- doesn't look normal. Besides, who can afford the time and money to zip back and forth at 5000 ft over a town of 30,000? And for what purpose?

WIERD

-- Crick N Neck (Looking@sky.now), November 08, 1999.

Cleveland is the the busiest air corridor in the nation (not airport, air cooridor) because of all the flight flying east and west go through the cleveland airport's control. The vast majority of flights in the area are traveling east or west. If the flights were going north/south thed be landing in a nearby airport (cleveland, Akron, or in canada).

1. there is no reason I can imagine for many flights to be going north/south in routine air traffic.

2. I have observed skies and contrails for over 30 years, and clouds. I have never seen incidents like described occur before. I've observe this year numerous "chemtrails" that I never saw before. SOmething is different, it's deliberate, some part of the govt is involved or behind it, it's not natural. That's all I know for a fact.

If you dismiss these chemtrails as having natural explanations, then you probably believe Vince Foster and Mike Bourda committed suicide - and I don't think there's any hope for you being enlightened by facts.

-- Frequent traveler (fly@bynight.com), November 08, 1999.

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Recent visitors list at http://www.contrailconnection.com/

Recent USAF base Visits and many repeat visits

Langley AFB

The Pentagon

Royal Air Force

Randolph AFB

Eielson AFB

Warren AFB

Dover AFB

Mc Guire AFB

Hill AFB

Minot AFB

Bolling AFB

Keesler AFB

Air Force Res. Command

McConnell AFB

Hickam AFB

Tinker AFB

Andersen AFB

Osan AFB

Misawa AFB

Scott AFB

Space and Missile Defense Command (sw1.smdc.army.mil)

Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority

United States Senate (repeat visits)

NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (dfrc.nasa.gov)

NASA Langley Research Center (minnis.larc.nasa.gov) REPEATS

Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division (bmaccabpc.nswc.navy.mil)

Brookhaven National Laboratory (tiaa-cref.org)

Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division (bluey.nawcad.navy.mil)

U.S. General Services Administration (host.199-75-178-74.gsa.gov)

United States Environmental Protection Agency (r7t102.r8rc- oea.epa.gov)

U.S. Department of Agriculture (rsasso.ne.nrcs.usda.gov)

Jet Propulsion Laboratory (jconstantine.jpl.nasa.gov)

McClellan AFB (SM7011.mcclellan.af.mil)

Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command (nws13-249.nosc.mil) United States Coast Guard

City of Charlotte, NC (ADMIN Offices)

State of Texas DHS

Lockheed Martin Corporation (Aviation and Space Defense Contractors)

U.S. Treasury Department

United States Army

Research Triangle Institute

The Boeing Company

The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

University of Alaska

Southern Oregon University ( biology department)

United States Air Force

Hill Air Force Base (Air Force Materiel Command base located in northern Utah)

Department of Defense Computer System (unknown department)

The Space Dynamics Laboratory (Utah State University's Research Foundation)

University of Colorado Health Sciences Center - The Naval Research Laboratory

New York State Office of Mental Health

Federal Aviation Administration

Wright-Patterson Air Force Base (Aeronautical Systems Center ) Repeat Visits Daily

Trans World Airlines

Turner Entertainment Group

Defense Security Service (DSS.MIL)

Fort Lewis (1st Special Forces Group Airborne)

Yucca Mountain Home for the Department of Energy's Yucca Mountain Site Characterization Project

U.S. Department of Labor - (Occupational Safety and Health Administration)

U.S Department of Justice

EPA California

CIA (relay1.ucia.gov)

Ontario Canada Government (dto01c51_05.mpr.gov.on.ca)

The Federal Energy Technology Center - U.S. Department of Energy (remus.fetc.doe.gov)

NOAA Aeronomy Lab"(fahey7500.al.noaa.gov)

Marconi Aerospace Systems Inc. (systems.gec.com)

Monsanto Company (monsanto.com)

Space and Missile Systems Center Los Angeles Air Force Base (laapp03.losangeles.af.mil)

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (zazu.llnl.gov)

Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site USDE (rfgate.rfets.gov)

Air University Official U.S. Government System USAF (ops-154- 128.au.af.mil)

Air Force Combat Climatology Center ( janus.afccc.af.mil)

Nellis Airforce Base (cits-pr.nellis.af.mil)

Department of Defense Computer Emergency Response Team, formerly ASSIST (gw.assist.mil)

National Renewable Energy Laboratory

US Army Space and Missle Defence Command (sw1.smdc.army.mil)

Naval Undersea Warfare Center, Division Newport (npt.nuwc.navy.mil)

NASA Ames Research Center

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), November 08, 1999.

"f you dismiss these chemtrails as having natural explanations, then you probably believe Vince Foster and Mike Bourda committed suicide - and I don't think there's any hope for you being enlightened by facts. "

Ok, now I see where we are going. Right into the nut farm. How many , different hearings and research has to be done before you people let the Vince Foster thing go. Even the Grand Inquisitor Starr agreed it was a suicide, but not the "plugged in" at good old TB2000.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), November 08, 1999.

Could mysterious contrail patterns be a result of NWO "War Games"??? ...

http://contra ils.mil/deadlyvirus/innoculate/nwo/

-- CD (not@here.com), November 08, 1999.

--Hey CD! that's a REALLY FUNNY site! hahahahahahahahahahahaha I knewzit! itz d amish's fault! sekrit button! hahahahahahahahahaha thanks fer the giggles! boss de plane, deplane! more hahahahahahahaha

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 08, 1999.

hamster,

Are you sure? It could have been light from the Planet Venus being bent by the Earths atmosphere and reflecting off a pocket of swamp gas.

And let's not rule out the possiblility of mass-hallucination.

-- Dr. Polymorph (Iknowmore@thanyoudo.com), November 08, 1999.

"Vern"- You may want to read this...

http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swallowtail/619/linesinsk y.html

Zog- Did ya happen to notice that Amish tank? Truly devious! Those guys apparently aren't the mild mannered non-violent folks we thought they were...

Amish War- wagon

-- CD (not@here.com), November 08, 1999.

Ok..I am a college educated business owner and family man...very much an average joe in all respects. The ONLY reason I had heard about these "chemtrails" was due to an event I witnessed first hand in my city.

Traveling back from business via my car last August I was approaching Kansas City from the south. It was a beautiful clear day, no haze about 2:00 in the afternoon. I looked up into the sky and my jaw hit the floor. There, up in the sky were two jets flying much lower then the normal traffic that is over the city. They were leaving what looked like normal contrails...except they were putting them in a clearly defined "grid" over the whole city! It looked just like a checkerboard pattern, nicely spaced contrails running N to S and E to W. I have lived here all my life and I know the normal flight patterns in and out of KCI...this was something totally out of the ordinary.

It was clear this was a well concieved and coordinated effort that DID NOT HAPPEN by just normal traffic. It was so odd I called my wife on the cell phone and had her go outside and look...she saw it as well.

These trails did not react the same as a normal contrail does...they dissapated (or expanded?) into these thick layers that eventually formed a kind of haze over the city.

There was one radio station that was reporting it as well, people were calling in wanting to know what it was.

I do not know who was doing it..or what was being sprayed...but I can tell you IT DID HAPPEN, I saw it with my own eyes. I then got on the internet and began to see all these web pages on this chemtail stuff...very odd thing indeed! It is happening, not sure why.

-- RainMan! (RaineyDM@aol.com), November 08, 1999.

Vern, you're not totally crazy... or you're in good company.

I've seen this grid only once, and it was toward the middle of the summer this year. We are NOT in a place that this would happen due to normal air traffic. I don't buy the atmospheric arguments either.

We were all pretty sick a few days later, as were just about all the people we knew. Respiratory stuff. Almost every family I knew had a few sick people. Don't know if they're related... but who knows.

Call me nuts if ya want... after all, I'm a Georgia Pecan

-- Georgia Pecan (the.nuts@the.nuthouse), November 08, 1999.

And there you have it America, "but I have a tee time in 20 mins"... sssssshhhhhhiiiiiiittttttt.............. So IF YOU DON"T GIVE A .... WHY PRECISELY SHOULD I? Let them spray you.

-- (...@.......), November 08, 1999.

If they are innoculating against a biological attack, why have they not sprayed California yet?? I know we drive like crap and are as**oles, but I don't wanna die!

Hey, you in da plane, over here!!!!

[Breaks out his trusty signaling mirror]

-- Not (Today@but.thanks), November 09, 1999.

Californians are most definitely being sprayed. All you need to do is LOOOOOOK up.

http://www.contrailconnection.com/states/ca99.htm

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), November 09, 1999.

Thanks for the interest in my website, which smashes the 'chemtrail' idea most thoroughly to itty bitty pieces, much better to spit it out like the garbage it is. For a more detailed analysis, see: http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swallowtail/619/index.html

Thanks, Jay Reynolds

-- Jay Reynolds (cen05897@centuryinter.net), November 09, 1999.

Sorry Jay, you are either a contrail DGI or you have some motive for spreading disinformation. Sure, there are lots of pretty contrail pictures on your site, but most of them are NOT CHEMTRAILS. By the way, thanks for screwing up my browser with your stupid-ass javascript that is full of bugs. Why can't you just post the damn pictures like normal people do? Lots of pictures of normal contrails, cirrus clouds, haze, smoke contrails from World War II gasoline powered oil burning engines, and lots of unrelated stuff, but very few of the real thing. The chemtrails do not "degrade into cirrus", they DEVELOP INTO STRATUS. I've been a weather buff all of my life and I know the difference. All you are trying to do is confuse the issue, and you are ignoring the overwhelming evidence of REAL CHEMTRAILS which is all over the web.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 10, 1999.

Good stuff Jay. Unfortunately, I'm afraid your 3 years of research will only fall on deaf ears around here. If ya really want to get their attention ya need to hype that flying saucer following Hale- Bopp or that face on mars or those comets about to crash into earth or the solar flares about to melt New York or the concentration camps the UN/NWO is building in Florida or Mir falling on California knocking out the power grid or... well, you get the picture.

-- CD (not@here.com), November 10, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Here are some photos I promised a month or so ago, showing one of the ways these chemtrails can look. The photos don't really do it justice, and I suppose most won't believe these came out of a plane until they see them being laid down, with their own eyes, and some, even then won't believe.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 10, 1999.

Good work Dancr! Yep, those are the bad boys. Notice how from just a very thin line they eventually grow larger to cover almost the whole sky. Notice how Jay doesn't have any pictures like these but he has every other kind, in order to try to get the sheeple to ignore them. Excellent shots - thanks.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 10, 1999.

Thanks, Dancr!

Sheesh. Are you feeling alright? I wouldn't be surprised if you fell ill with all that crap in the air. I haven't witnessed any of these myself, but I am sure that it is only a matter of time. This phenomenon is occuring all over the country.

-- Sharon (sking@drought-ridden.com), November 10, 1999.

dancer, None of your pictures show any aircraft at all, actually they look like photoshop clouds you made up. Not a very good con-job anyways. Keep it up, if you get real good, maybe you can begin selling USANA vitamins at $2.00/day/person like William Thomas does. Imagine what he takes in if he had 1000 customers like that. Do the math. Jay Reynolds http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swallowtail/619/index.html

-- Jay Reynolds (cen05897@centuryinter.net), November 10, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

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-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 11, 1999.

I tripped over this interesting photo today, while doing a bit of background research on another question (forthcoming). It is a Satellite Photo of the Straits of Mackinac. What do you make of those "clouds," eh? I'm thinking, now, there must be lots of such photos available on the web. By the way, I've also noticed quite a few suspiciously unnatural looking clouds in advertising photographs.

As for the earlier photographs I posted, if you were I, and you knew that these clouds had been produced by emissions from airplanes (because you'd seen them laid down), and you knew you hadn't mocked them up with photoshop, then what would you think of them? I've got my camera loaded and ready and will try to get something showing the material being deposited.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 11, 1999.

The clouds over Mackinac look pretty normal, sometimes clouds do form in a linear fashion. I suggest you get a professional opinion from somebody like the cloudman. http://www.cloudman.com/ As far as chemtrails, don't waste your time. It's a myth, a hoax, an a rumor wound up tighter than Art Bell. Believe it or not, some people put gas masks on their children or seal up the house with ducttape and fall on their knees praying. This poor sap ruined his marriage because he didn't have as much sense as his wife: http://messages.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/chemtrailtrackingusa/bbs?action= m&tid=chemtrailtrackingusa&sid=12182388&mid=232 and http://messages.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/chemtrailtrackingusa/bbs?action= m&tid=chemtrailtrackingusa&sid=12182388&mid=233

Jay Reynolds http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swallowtail/619/index.html

-- Jay Reynolds (cen05897@centuryinter.net), November 11, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Mr Reynolds: these URLs don't lead to anywhere seeming to have anything to do with chemtrails. I entered the term chemtrails into the search box at that location and turned up a negatory.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 12, 1999.