I I am curious about the extra three passengers abord flight 990.We were first told only 214 people on board, then much later 217. Where did these unknown passengers get on the plane? Was it at Edwards Air Force Base? Did they board without giving thier names for the passenger list? If so,why? Were they important military personel? Have the authorities decided that it was an explosive device, or are they still undecided? Lots of questions, any real answers?

-- Eleanore Mameli (eleanore@island.net`), November 06, 1999

Answers

Flight began in Los Angeles. As to Edwards AFB... who knows... for sure.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 06, 1999.

My theory is that they stopped at Edwards to pick up the 30 Egyptian military officers (Egypt Air had confirmed this immediately after the crash). Also boarding the flight at that time were 2 or 3 DOD or NSA undercover operatives, posing as "escorts" for our distinguished military guests. Because they were to exit the plane in New York, they told Egypt Air their presence was for "classified" reasons, and thus were not logged in on the passenger roster. They also loaded on some very special luggage. When they arrived in New York, only one civilian was scheduled to unboard the plane, so there was no need for Egypt Air representatives to work the gate. They were undoubtedly told that the United States would have a special security guard standing by to handle the passenger unboarding, and this security guard was also an undercover operative cleared for the classified information that the U.S. escort officers would also be exiting the plane. It just so happens that these guys left their "luggage" on the plane and well, we know the rest. As for the actual number of passengers, we'll never know. There is so much conflicting information being spread around right now that we'll never find out the truth. The black boxes will either have "nothing" on them or they will indicate a massive decompression for "unknown" reasons. They are not likely to manufacture a story about mechanical failure because this would get Boeing in trouble, and they're already in hot water for other reasons.

-- Seargent Schultz (i@know.nothing), November 06, 1999.

Be patient. The FAA/FBI will inform us truthfully.

dave

-- dave (wootendave@hotmail.com), November 06, 1999.

I'm VERY patient dave but I can't afford to wait for the big freeze to take place...:)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), November 06, 1999.

From what I understand the plane was never at Edwards AFB. Some clowns in the pressrooms can't tell the difference between EDW (Edwards) and EWR (Newark) when reading a history of the aircraft's movements within the US.

The plane landed at Newark coming into the US due to weather problems (fog?) at JFK. Then it continued to LAX and then to JFK on the way back to Egypt.

Then in the rush to publish something just after the crash they ran with something before researching things.

WW, who thought Newark would be NWK until taught that N__ means: Navy

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), November 06, 1999.

...tending to like sergeant shultz's reasonable scenario. Question is the why and for wasting who? obviously not all 30 of those gents, or was it? Part of a coup d'etat force? sabotage some middle eastern israeli palestinian peace deal? or was someone else important on the plane who was the target, and those egyptian officers are a red herring? or was it a complete whoops, like the iranian air bus shootdown, so obviously whomever lost a missile can't fess up? no way any official forces are EVER gonna admit culpability in ANYTHING, and i think normal operator error happens, too. chris ruddy had that report about his plane being moved out of the way because of rocket fire....who knows....interesting, bet the faa or whichever soup agency issues a report gives us another interesting dog and pony magic exploding gas tank when the fuel is almost below zero story...hahahahahaha...that twa 800 story was SO funny, like no one ever lit any kero before...hehehehehehehe...they got the entire US press corps and 99.9% of the public believing kerosene is like nitroglycerin or something...ROFLMAO....never OVER estimate the plain dumbness of toob viewers......

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 06, 1999.

WW,

That doesn't make any sense... fog at 30,000 ft.?? If they were coming in from Egypt, a direct line would have brought them in somewhere over near Florida, and why would they be flying low enough to hit fog? I think the whole story about mixing up the airport names with Newark was made up after the fact. Andy and I were grabbing the reports immediately as they broke, and Egypt Air was claiming that from their contact with the pilot it had landed at Edwards, well before any of the stories about Newark came out. JMHO.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 06, 1999.

ww:

Your are suggesting that the press could make a mistake. Heavens!

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), November 06, 1999.

ww:

You are suggesting that the press could make a mistake. Heavens!

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), November 06, 1999.

zog,

When I string all of the facts together, it smells like something to do with oil interests. We know that Saudi businessmen have contracted bin Laden to take out the president of Egypt. Saudi Arabia does not want Egypt to be a military obstacle, or a competitive threat to their prosperous oil business. American defender of government Mr. Vernon Jordan also happens to be defending these Saudi businessmen who funded bin Laden. Perhaps the U.S. did Saudi Arabia a big favor by "escorting" these high-ranking Egypt military to their little swim in the Atlantic. What is the best way to eliminate someone without being suspected? Don't let your true intentions be known of course, but instead try to give the impression of being friendly, like training them to fly your helicopters. Notice how these things always happen over the ocean rather than land, making it impossible to confirm who and how many were on board.

-- Seargent Schultz (i@know.nothing), November 06, 1999.

767 Down

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), November 06, 1999.

Sorry for the double post. I'm not in town much and am not used to the great changes that Phil has made.

Best wishes,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), November 06, 1999.

With regard to the EDW vs. EWR mixup, I heard the on-site reporters make the correction, live, on the air, about someone misunderstanding that EWR meant Newark. This happened a few hrs. after the crash and was not fabricated much after. It was one of the pool reporters who clarified it.

This morning on MSNBC I heard an interview with the former head of the NTSB say that some sort of struggle for control in the cockpit would give the erratic up and down flight pattern that was showed up on radar. IOW, someone bursts into the cabin, commits acts that cause the plane to plummet, someone regains control, pulling it up, then it goes down again. He said a struggle for control of the plane would also explain why no mayday call was given. When there is a mechanical failure, there is often time to send a mayday signal. (Just reporting what I heard.) His implication was that the finger points to terrorism of some sort. But of course, only the discovery of the boxes and their analysis will tell.

-- Fiver (fiver2000@yahoo.com), November 06, 1999.

seargent shultz,

For another possible senario, check this news 2 days before crash:

http://www.israelwire.com/New/991029/99102919.html

--steve

-- stephen kirk (stephenkirk27@hotmail.com), November 06, 1999.

With this mix up about Edwards and Newark ----- Don't we know when it took off from LA and don't we know when it landed in Newark. Is there time for the plane to land at Edwards, pick up passengers, take off again, and land at Newark when it did?

-- thinkIcan (thinkIcan@make.it), November 06, 1999.

Fiver,

I still have a hard time with that. Why did they land at Newark?? Does anyone know?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 06, 1999.

Crash Investigators Say Bomb Took Down 990 - White House In Denial

Link at

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19991105_xex_bomb_downe d_.shtml

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), November 06, 1999.

Quite a few recent crashes remain unexplained. Even the Value Jet crash is unexplained as far as I am concerned. The Value Jet scenario offered by the NTSB and the fuel tank explosion on TWA800 are both extremely low probability events.

-- Dave (dannco@hotmail.com), November 07, 1999.

Check out Enterprise Mission's take on all of this. Most went right over my head, but they seem pretty convinced of their theory...

www.enterprisemission.com - 11/6 posting

R.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), November 07, 1999.