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Over 30 Military Died In EgyptAir Crash - Sources 11.10 a.m. ET (1619 GMT) November 1, 1999 CAIRO  More than 30 Egyptian military officers, most of them high-ranking, were on board an Egyptian airliner that plunged into the Atlantic, aviation and security sources said Monday.

The sources, who asked not to be named, said the 33 or 34 officers were visiting the United States on several different missions.

They were from various branches of the armed forces and included four air force officers, two brigadier-generals, a colonel and a major, one security source said.

"Three of the officers went on board the plane without being checked in,'' one of the aviation sources said, without explaining why.

Local newspapers were censored from reporting on the presence of the officers on the EgyptAir flight, Egyptian reporters said.

The Boeing 767 with 217 people on board was on route from New York to Cairo when it plummeted into the ocean off Nantucket Island, Massachusetts, early Sunday shortly after take-off. There were no survivors.

The cause of the crash is not known. U.S. aviation authorities did not receive any distress call.

Egyptian pilots and experts said the way the plane crashed into the waters indicated that there might have been an explosion.

Atef Hassanein, head of the Avionics Department at Cairo University, told the evening Al Ahram newspaper that the lack of a distress call meant that one possibility was that an explosion had taken place.

"The fall of a plane takes several minutes, during which the crew can make immediate contact,'' he was quoted as saying.

Coast Guard cutters scoured the seas through the night, but picked up only small bits of wreckage and personal items.

Only one body has been recovered so far.

Defense ministry and other government officials would not comment on the report.

President Clinton said in Oslo that he was not aware of any threats being made against airlines flying out of the United States. He said that until more of the plane was recovered, the cause of the crash could not be determined.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak also played down suggestions of sabotage.

"Sabotage? I don't think that, or a terrorist act? I don't think that, but I cannot foretell. We are waiting until the investigation comes to an end,'' he told CNN television.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), November 01, 1999

Answers

Whew!

Link Roland?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 01, 1999.

Sorry, thought I pasted it...

www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/news/wires2/index.sml

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), November 01, 1999.

Thanks Roland,

Title Over 30 Military Died In EgyptAir Crash - Sources coming in from Reuters... 11.10 a.m. ET (1619 GMT) November 1, 1999

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 01, 1999.

Wow, 30 Military officers with one crash. Hmnnn I will bet $100 that they rule it a mechanical error or a pilot error.

German newspaper brought up something interesting. Did you know that TWA 800, Swissair, JFK's plane and now this Egypt Airliner went down in roughly the same area....??? Don't know how much truth is to that, since I don't have their exact location on a map, but if someone has some time on there hands feel free.

-- STFrancis (STFrancis@heaven.com), November 01, 1999.

StFran,

Off the coast of Nantucket

-- (they@must.be scared), November 01, 1999.

UN-Confirmed w/ Bros @Bragg.mil 18 Members A-Team Middle East Advisory CMD, Special Forces, On the flight. Sent as Advisors over the possibility of Fundamentalist Backed Coup. Not good. Things could come to a boil quick. Supposedly one of the BrigGens on the flight Head of Egypt Special Ops. and loyal to Mubarak. Attempting to get fresh intel but the windows closing fast and the curtain has effectively been dropped

-- Don't wanna (Say@this.Time), November 01, 1999.

Maybe the Golden Trinagle has been moved.

dave

-- dave (wootendave@hotmail.com), November 01, 1999.

It is not "the golden triangle", it is the devil's triangle.

I propose that this new area (whatever its shape) be called "the devil's pentagon"

-- David Holladay (davidh@brailleplanet.org), November 01, 1999.

There once was a pilot who flew to Nantucket,

And came back home with his guts in a bucket,

They would have gone back, but they didn't have time,

To find the rest of his bloody spine.

It was getting windy, and it was getting dark,

So the rest of his body was left for the sharks.

He was flown back home, to be buried in a casket,

But there wasn't much left, so they used a basket.

-- Charles Manson (san@quentin.free internet access), November 01, 1999.

I would have thought that MIL standard operating procedure would be to NEVER have too many execs/officers/key personnel on any one flight/bus/car/whatever. We had this in place at a previous employer. The CEO, COO, and CFO rarely flew together, (two perhaps, but not all three), nor did a majority of VPs; that way, one accident doesn't decapitate your company.

People get complacent. Sad. Very, very sad...

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), November 01, 1999.

The Pentagon confirms...

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EgyptAir Flight Carried Military Officers-Pentagon 1.07 p.m. ET (1816 GMT) November 1, 1999 WASHINGTON  About 30 Egyptian military officers were aboard EgyptAir Flight 990 when it plunged into the Atlantic Ocean off Nantucket with 217 people on board, U.S. defense officials said Monday.

The officials, who asked not to be identified, said the Egyptians from different branches of that country's military had been in the United States for training and were heading home when the airliner crashed Sunday, apparently killing all aboard.

"Defense Secretary (William) Cohen spoke with Marshal Tantawi (Egyptian Defense Minister Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi) on the telephone this morning and expressed his deep condolences,'' one senior Pentagon official told Reuters.

The official said some of the Egyptians were army pilots who had been undergoing training in flying AH-64 "Apache'' attack helicopters.

Egypt is one of Washington's biggest military and political allies in the Middle East, and the two countries exchange dozens of officers annually in training programs as well as taking part in joint military exercises. Egypt has billions of dollars in U.S. military equipment in its defense arsenal.

In Cairo, aviation and security sources said more than 30 officers  most of them high-ranking  were on board the airliner. But U.S. military officials said most of the group were not senior-level officers.

Egyptian Defense Ministry and other government officials would not comment on the report.

One security source in Cairo said the group represented various branches of the armed forces and included four Air Force officers, two brigadiers-general, a colonel and a major.

"Three of the officers went on board the plane without being checked in,'' one of the aviation sources said, without explaining why.

Newspapers in Cairo were censored from reporting the presence of the officers on the flight, Egyptian reporters said.

The cause of the crash has not been established. U.S. aviation authorities did not receive any distress call.

Coast Guard cutters scoured the seas through the night, but picked up only small bits of wreckage and personal items.

Only one body had been recovered by late Monday morning.

President Clinton said in Oslo that he was not aware of any threats against airlines flying out of the United States. He said until more of the plane was recovered, the cause of the crash could not be determined.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak also played down suggestions of sabotage.

"Sabotage? I don't think that, or a terrorist act? I don't think that, but I cannot foretell. We are waiting until the investigation comes to an end,'' he told CNN television.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), November 01, 1999.

If Klintooon was telling the truth in Oslo today, he wasn't watching the network news last night as they had a CIA report that there wasa creedible threat to a plane leaving from either LA or JFK during October.

Course, he MIGHT just have been fibbing, but that's cause he'd climb a tree to lie when he coulda told the truth from the ground.

Night train

-- jes a tired ol footballer (nighttr@in.lane), November 01, 1999.

Man, those center fuel tanks are a bitch.

-- a (a@a.a), November 01, 1999.

Don't wanna @say at this time

Do you have any offical conformation on that...? I mean if we just lost 18 Special Forces members that would warrant a story in the press wouldn't it...???

-- STFrancis (STFrancis@heaven.com), November 01, 1999.

According to my bros, the "Training Exercise" will last 6 months. 90% of the time the .mil and .gov 'expend' these guys in various "training accidents" over a period of time. Makes the accountability of who how where and when? Had one of my buds on 'deployment' for over a year...turns out that he was KIA in a chopper crash shortly after the fact. Since SF is rarely where communications are standard, and parents + wives don't expect to hear from the loved ones, then the gov can usually cover up any deaths by playing them out over various accidents to dissassociate themselves from military debacales. They were going to cover up Desert One (the Iranian Hostage rescue- abortion) up until they realized the scope of the disaster and that they couldn't hide it...you do the math. I'm greiving for my bros.

-- Don't wanna (Say@this.Time), November 01, 1999.

Don't Wanna,

Thanks for the reply. Now, maybe I am naive but wouldn't their names show up on the passenger manifest...?? Do they have to report in under their own names when traveling abroad....?

Just wondering. Cause I don't have any experience in this arena.

-- STFrancis (STFrancis@heaven.com), November 01, 1999.

Didn't I hear that the plane stopped at Edward Air Force base, and that 2 , not 1 people got off. I heard on KSFO that Edwards has no comment. How close is Edwards to LA? Won't some pilot must have seen this plane around Edwards. Smell something rotten. Somebody(ies) on that plane that were deemed expendable. There's been talk about the possible role the secretive Brookhaven Nat'l Laboratory played in some plane accidents, such as the TWA800. BNL tested its Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC).Look at BBC archives on news covering this. BNL is allegedly connected to the more secretive faction of the military-industrial complex. My observation has been that in many major incidences(oklahoma, Waco, Columbine, Jonestown...), soon after the incidences, there appeared the official line, then those critics are ridicled of their views. Check the comments posted on newsforum at rumormillnews.com/. They got some inside intelligence from time to time such as on the New York biowarfare incidence and the East coast Hurricane.

-- Becky (becky@becky.com), November 01, 1999.

"Did you know that TWA 800, Swissair, JFK's plane and now this Egypt Airliner went down in roughly the same area...?"

That's not correct.

TWA 800 -- off the coast of Long Island.

Swissair -- off Nova Scotia

JFK Jr. -- off Martha's Vineyard (island off Massachusetts coast)

Egypt Air -- 60 some miles off Nantucket

Look at a map.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), November 01, 1999.

Rockets Fired In Area Of Downed Plane Newsmax.com reporting. http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/11/1/101212

Also, they have another article on midair missile? explosion according to former transportation investigator

-- Ray (ray@abc.com), November 01, 1999.

Tom

Newsday reported the 3 accidents are in the same fight path, known as the "track." Read it for yourself. But, I got your point. http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpne0p.htm

-- Becky (becky@becky.com), November 01, 1999.

Don't wanna...You are absolutely right. SF guys 'disappear" while on TDY quite often. It's been hapening since the late 50s. I lost a brother in arms in July 1961 and his widow was not notified until 1963 Jan. It happened over and over in Nam. It happened over and over in the little nasty brushfires that we are so good at extinguishing without the help of the media. I still know a lot of folks at Bragg. I'll see what back channel info I can dig up. (Also see if I dare publish what I find).

Check Six, Brother.

-- Lobo (atthelair@yahoo.com), November 02, 1999.

Tom, I guess it depends on how one defines "roughly the same area." Looking at "incidents" as well as disasters might also be an eye opener. Try this one:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Aviation/NYC/97A193.htm

-- Rachel Gibson (rgibson@hotmail.com), November 02, 1999.

So how come none of the news media is asking about the alleged Edwards Air Force Base landing? If those military guys were being trained to fly choppers it makes sense that they might have picked them up from Edwards, so why is the Pentagon trying to cover it up? Call me a conspiracy nut I don't care, but this thing reeks of corruption and/or terrorism.

They are picking up the ping signals from the flight recorders and the goddam investigation officials are already saying it is going to take years to figure out what happened. How do they know the answer isn't right on the voice recorder? Answer: because even if it is we'll never find out. If this was a problem with the plane, there is a damn good chance the pilot would say something about it, but they already know it was an explosion so they are going to say there was nothing on the cockpit voice recorder. The acoustic signature of the explosion will be recorded, but they will say it just "went blank". As far as the flight data recorder, that will just show that the plane dropped like a rock, which they can explain as an explosion or a catastrophic failure. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts when they get that voice recorder they are going to say there is nothing on it.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 02, 1999.

11/4/99 -- 6:00 PM

Pentagon says most of 33 Egyptian officers were on official

WASHINGTON (AP) - Most of the 33 Egyptian military officers aboard the doomed EgyptAir Flight 990 were in the United States to meet or train with U.S. defense contractors, the Pentagon said Thursday.

Spokesman Kenneth Bacon gave a breakdown of the officers that he said was provided by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. Nothing about the officers suggests they were targets of terrorists, he said.

Bacon said there were five separate groups on official business sponsored by the Egyptian Ministry of Defense. Five other officers were in the United States on personal business, possibly as tourists.

Of those on official business, six were visiting a commercial contractor in Boston that was providing network planning and communications analysis services to the Egyptian military under a private contract.

Seven more officers was receiving and testing two H-3 helicopters from a contractor, Bacon said. They had stayed at Fort Rucker, Ala.

Six people in a third group were in California receiving training from a private contractor on high frequency telecommunications equipment, Bacon said. Three other officers were in Florida for training on telecommunications equipment, also under a commercial contract.

The six people in the fifth group were attending a conference related to repairing Chaparral missiles, Bacon said.

The five officers who were in the United States on personal business had visas not sponsored by the Ministry of Defense, he said.

The number of Egyptian military officers who visit the United States each year varies but in recent years has averaged about 1,000, Bacon said.

-- 00 (00@00.00), November 05, 1999.

Edwards AFB is about 70 miles north of Los Angeles, north of Palmdale and Lancaster.

If the flight was a commercial flight out of LA, the Egypt army guys would have to get on at Edwards, FIRST, then the plane go to LA and pick up the civilians. Then to NY. Edwards doesn't do commercial flights. More likely, if really Egypt army guys on the flight, and if they were at Edwards, they probably bussed or limousined to LAX for the flight.

But, maybe I'm missing something. What diff does it make if the plane was at Edwards or not?

OTH, Richard Hoagland, on Art Bell tonight, mentioned that the "thrust reverser scenario" may not be the cause, per latest news reports of flight action. His alternative speculation, then, is that someone got to the flight control computer. Now, that could probably be done more effectively at Edwards rather than Los Angeles or New York.

-- A (A@AisA.com), November 05, 1999.

Additional parsnoic note:
If the flight computer diddling scenario is it, and it happened at Edwards, that would indicate U.S. government complicity. If diddled at Los Angeles or New York, then it could be anyone, including, not limited to, the U.S. government. :-)

-- A (A@AisA.com), November 05, 1999.

The flight landed at Edwards to pick up the military officers and some "equipment" AFTER it took off rom LAX. That is why it was delayed several hours in getting to New York. In addition, I heard that two or three of these officers were permitted to board without identification just because they were miltary. They could also have been allowed to get off in New York under the guise of being involved in some type of classified business.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 05, 1999.

Who had the most to gain,by eliminating those trained Officers??? Reminds me too much of the Hindenburg"Accident".

-- Born Yesterday (***@*****.***), February 10, 2000.

Why is this crap being regurgitated? Surely we have enough current conspiracies to occupy our fantasies without dredging up old posts. BTW, how many of you noticed how quickly the Egyptian authorities jumped on the horizontal stabilizer bandwagon? Allah Akbar.

-- Sifting (through@the.rubble), February 10, 2000.