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Well, isn't that just TOO nice for Hyatt. And right before the rollover!

Posted by (12.67.17.143) Paul Davis on October 31, 1999 at 20:27:07:

THIS IS A PILE OF HORSEFEATHERS!

Hyatt is going to gently bow out now, blaming it on his 'TROUBLE WITH AN UNKNOWN POLLY HACKER'. I have to admit, somebody COULD have hacked into his server and started killing stuff, but I don't think even an IDIOT would leave the server running and the NIC plugged in while they KNEW the jerk was operating.

Sounds more to me like Hyatt decided it would be a REAL good time to drop off the face of the Y2K scene, and chose this way to bow out.

Wonder how many more of these we'll see.

Posted by (165.247.16.200) Patricia on October 31, 1999 at 21:19:13:

You are absolutely right -- "some polly hacker" is going to get blamed for this.

Once again, how convenient.

There are entirely too many convenient things happening now, and I'm guessing we're going to see a few more of them.

Yet another Psychic Doomer Moment brought to you by Me.

-- An Immature Personality (Backed@into.a.corner), November 01, 1999

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Oh, yeah, I mean it's not as if we have noticed an exponential increase in polly troll activity here at THIS forum or anything. I mean, here at TB2000, there is not the slightest bit of recent polly troll behavior that would even make us THINK that Hyatt's site would be a target of polly thugs.

Paul Davis is a pathetic moron. So is Patricia, but for all that I know, she might like to mudwrestle, so I will give her the benefit of the doubt.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 01, 1999.

If they didn't want to be seen as the likeliest of suspects, then perhaps they should have conducted themselves differently aforehand.

When a foole stands outside one's home taunting, jeering, leaving trash one the lawn and tossing pebbles at the windows, should he *really* feign shock when he's the first one to be questioned when the homeowner finds a *rock* tossed through the bay window?

As it stands now, I suspect the constabulary won't scratch its collective head for very long before deciding which stone to turn over first.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), November 01, 1999.

"one the lawn" = "on the lawn"

The flu sux.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), November 01, 1999.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not going anywhere.

The reason we couldn't simply unplug from the ISP is because I lease the space from a third-party; I don't even know who hosts the website. (Sorry, but I haven't gotten involved in the technical details.)

Since it was Sunday, I couldn't reach my webmaster, though I tried repeatedly throughout the day. Eventually, with UBB's help (the company that provides the software), I was able to FTP into the site and remove a couple of files that shut down the hacker's activity.

We are hoping that we can do a full restore today and get back to where we were. If that is not possible, we will continue without the missing threads.

We're down but not out.

-- Michael Hyatt (mhyatt@michaelhyatt.com), November 01, 1999.

GO Michael!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep up the good work, dude!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 01, 1999.

WHy is the assumption that when your name is on the website, you hold control so prevalent?? Granted that LOTS of folks have their own websites, and yes they MAY have control of the content, and maybe control over access, but these are usually fairly SMALL websites, a couple meg MAX and free or fairly cheap.

You get up to something like Michael's site, and now we're talking about a webmaster, who is probably paid to maintain several sites and who may or may not be available 24/7/52. Some people try to have a life on weekends and that means that sometimes the phone does NOT get answered.

THIS site is a GREAT example. Neither Diane, Chuck, or the other sysop/moderator team members have access to the REAL keys, the ability to pull the plug in Mass. That belongs to Phil Greenspun who hosts a WHOLE HOST of fora (see the link at the bottom of the top level of the forum). Even HE doesn't have full control, as that is vested in the server tech's who work the usual academic schedule..... (in which Manana features prominently in most responses to completion estimates for changes or interventions).

to steal a New Yorker cartoon:

"THIMK"

NIght train

-- Jes an ol footballer (nighttr@in.lane), November 01, 1999.

THIMKING is so uncomfortable -- scary, too, sometimes.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), November 01, 1999.

Of course, with posts like this at Debonkers, no one would ever suspect them---

Can't archive Greenspun SQL data directly with most programs

Posted by (12.67.17.90) You don't wanna know on October 27, 1999 at 18:17:49:

In Reply to: After I add DSL again. I need the pipe now. posted by cpr on October 27, 1999 at 14:31:02:

Yah gotta use stragedy. Cause of de goofy ? in de middle uf de URL strings. Most uv dem site rapers don lak de ?. Gotta hack up de JAVA to mek it good.

I be hackin'. De time boom she be comin' down de wyah ah betcha.

-- (RUOK@yesiam.com), November 01, 1999.

Hey Doomers, you forgot to add the other side of the story:

I honestly would like to believe at least a FEW of you guys have enough courage of your convictions to hang around into the next year.

Looking at the track record though, it looks like there will be very few Y2K doomish sites that will hang around to see whether or not their predictions for various disasters are correct.

I have been wrong about things in the past, and have always hung around to eat my proper helping of crow when it came due. It really annoys me to see so many who YELLED at the top of their lungs, dropping out, quitting and generally getting themselves out of the line of fire, just as the time comes due when their disaster scenarios CANNOT be put off any longer. And the most annoying thing is that almost none of them have admitted any chance they were wrong. Instead, it is always 'lack of interest' or 'too much time spent'. Then they wind up admitting they are keeping 'a small apartment' in New York, the place they have predicted will 'look like Beirut' within a week of the rollover.

Or they act like a college with a losing football team that 'de- emphasises' football. Sure, they have a team. They practice over there - behind the deans flower beds. And they are very hopeful for next year.

Similarily, their site is suddenly full of all sorts of new reasons to think things are going downhill from here - but not Y2K related reasons.

One of these sites is based about 15 miles from downtown Washington, DC. And they give every indication they fully expect to be doing business next year! What happened to the ravening hordes spilling out of DC, maiming and killing and rioting and looting in a frenzied orgy of destruction?

So you will have to excuse me if I look at Y2K doomish sites that claim odd problems with a bit of a jaundiced eye. Too many are pulling out, while claiming they are not changing their mind about anything.

It rather tends to make one lack confidence in the group as a whole.

-Paul Davis

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-- (where@has.justice gone), November 01, 1999.

PREDICTION!!!!

Anyone who has raised ANY KIND of controversial question will NOT have their password redone!!! BET ME!!!

-- lostdefath (abanned1@debored.com), November 01, 1999.

Paul Davis

You find it outrageous that people might not be here in 2000 to listen to you GLOAT???

sad...

-- matt (whome@somewhere.nz), November 01, 1999.

A man like Michael Hyatt, who put his book on his website FREE, and who has a commitment to Someone higher than himself, to Whom he answers, and who has the absolutely BEST prep site on the internet, with such painstakingly clear categories and so many excellent contributors to it...would most certainly NOT do such a thing. This is another case of those who do damage trying to claim that those who are the recipients of it are to blame. Nasty game, but one all the regulars here and at Michael's site recognize for what it is.

Keep on keeping on, Michael! You have been of immeasurable help to so many, who bless you for it. You are one of the Y2K heroes, along with Ed Yourdon.

-- Elaine Seavey (Gods1sheep@aol.com), November 01, 1999.

Well.......since the Pollys Davis and Patricia have been so sure about their position on Y2k, then what will they say when Michael Hyatt's site reappears, intact? And keeps on going?

That will be an early crow-eating party, won't it? I'll be here for it, too!

If they really READ Hyatt's site you would know that he is not a doomer like they project.

Hey, how about some real names for "all" those people who are packing up and going home cuz they now know Y2k will not be the end of the world? If you mean Dejaeger, you better go back to his site and look around...he's back on the bandwagon again.

And, how about a little education for these trolls (Dennis, I didn't know you had been crowned King of Spain!) who think that anyone preparing for Y2k is a "doomer".

Davis and Patricia, ever heard of Economics 101? Duh.........

LOSTDEFATH (or whatever)........no, when Hyatt's site comes back up the passwords of naysayers will not be deleted. They ALREADY HAVE! There ain't nothing secretive about the policy over there....they're there to HELP people PREPARE. They don't put up with the likes of folks over here who nothing better to do than idle time away mocking people who see things differently. Makes one wonder if you people have a real life, or what?

Good thing we Y2KPREP people don't have to wait long to get back home, huh?

-- Econ101 (middlemann@juno.com), November 02, 1999.