>>8,000,000 millions Small businesses not ready-John Koskinen

>>International electrical and electronic engineers reported to congress that "prevention of all y2k failures was never possible"!!!

>>"Much software will be put back into use without testing, a recipe, almost a COMMANDMENT,FOR WIDESPREAD--------FAILURES---------!!!

>>Gartner Group reports --"Failures will increase after Nov.1 and will increase dramatically in Dec".

All of the above is SUBSTANTIATED information regarding the y2k-century date change. It is---- EVIDENCE---- of what lies ahead for all of us. GIs---Please post other evidence for fence sitting lurkers-- Preferrabley short, concise easy to read or print out.

In our country--evidence--is used in our court system to convict! If you are lurking---you be the judge---Is all of this evidence erroneous or fictitious??

Use the information to cut thru the deafening silence and misinformation that is currently being perpetuated by the media!

After assimilating the evidence--Be your own jury and come up with your own verdict--------Prepare or Not!?

-- Guilty verdict (dciinc@aol.com), October 26, 1999

Answers

>> recent article on Paraguay -- they're toast by their own admission!

>> "99% compliant is not enough" -- Alan Greenspan

>> Half of Large U.S. Firms Say They Will Not Have All Mission- Critical Systems Compliant on Jan. 1

>> all the above in lead thread

-- I'm (with@titude.now), October 26, 1999.

Unisys website says 8,000,000 systems won't make it. (link?)

Y2K guru in Central and South America (Guedes) assures us that, of the 54 countries under his jurisdiction, zero -- ZERO -- will make it.

Rhetorical questions:

1. What does "make it" mean?

2. What happens to our economy if those bozos at the IRS fail to remediate 62,000,000 lines of code?

3. What happens when Venezuela, Nigeria, and Saudi Arabia -- suppliers of 40% of our oil and level 5 risk countries -- cant fix on failure?

4. What happens when the Russian Nuke plants described in this week's "Newsweek" as being in pathetic shape not only don't make it but have their staff, reputed to be laced with "heroin addicts", simply leave their posts?

5. What happens if 30,000,000 medicare checks per day must be written by hand?

6. How many of General Motors' 60,000+ critical suppliers -- many of them small businesses and foreign businesses in the higher risk category -- have to screw the pooch before no cars come off the assembly line?

7. How long will it take GM to replace unprepared suppliers given that the CEO of Massey-Ferguson estimated as long as 3-5 YEARS? (Gey, maybe tractors are different!)

Got to go. This was a rush.

-- Dave (aaa@aaa.com), October 26, 1999.

Paraguay has always been toast. While we were having our little domestic spat called the Civil War, the leader of Paraguay declared war on Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay simultaneously.

After four years of War, the leader, who fancied himself the Napoleon of South America, was killed in battle. More than half the people died. There were six females of childbearing age for every potent male. Needless to say, the country resorted to polygamy (not Pollies) to repopulate the country, the Church be damned.

-- K. Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), October 26, 1999.

The IRS is only going to make it if they pull some Biblical-level miracle out of their collective rear end. They spent I believe it was 11 years and 1.6 BILLION dollars trying to update their about-to-tank- as-it-is IT setup, only to admit a few months ago that A- there was no chance it'd be ready in time, and B- nobody wanted to pick up the contract.

Hope everyone's ready for a value-added tax on all goods and services...

-- OddOne (mocklamer_1999@yahoo.com), October 26, 1999.

Dave,

"Screw the pooch"

I've never heard THAT idiom before...how does that relate??
-- K. Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), October 26, 1999.

These are not problems. The government says it will be a 3 day storm. And like of the rest of us polly patriots, I believe everything the government tells me. You all are worrying about nothing. Even if there are failures, they will get fixed and there will be almost no economic repercussions. The government said so.

-- Dr. PollyDork (DrPollyDork@moron.com), October 26, 1999.

I'm not sure where "screw the pooch" came from, although one could certainly imagine it stemming geographically inside the beltway.

-- Dave (aaa@aaa.com), October 26, 1999.

"screw the pooch" is a military term for a mistake or error. It's related mostly to aviation. Also see "auger in", "FUBAR", "SNAFU", etc.

BTW, how can something that hasn't happened yet be substantiated as having happened?

-- awake (icanread@literate.com), October 26, 1999.

"Screwed the pooch" was a phrase made famous in Tom Wolfe's book, "All The Right Stuff".

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), October 26, 1999.

(1) Fewer than half of the largest U.S. companies are expected to complete Y2K remediation on critical systems prior to 1/1/00.

(2) The U.S. federal government has missed three deadlines for compliance.

(3) Corporate budgets have increased up to five-fold for Y2K remediations after underestimating the scope of the problem.

(4) 60% of British corporations are stockpiling goods and raw materials.

(5) Edward Yardeni, chief economist at the investment bank Deutsche Morgan Grenfell, estimates a 70 percent probability that Y2K will cause a global recession or an energy crisis because of weak links in the supply chain.

(6) Two of the countrys largest PR agencies have set up "spin-doctoring teams" to assist companies in "explaining away" Y2K issues.

(7 ) Y2K compliance claims are often bogus. Vendor "lying rates" have been discovered to be as high as 50%.

(8) An independent bank ratings company has found evidence contradictory to status reports of federal bank regulators.

(9) The Pentagon has acknowledged falsifying Y2K readiness reports.

(10) The electric industry group, NERC, has stated that utilities are 99% ready. However, their report indicates that the actual figure is only 70%.

(11) NERC has refused to reveal non-compliant power companies to the Dept. of Energy, according to a verified internal memorandum.

(12) The Chief Operating Officer of a company which has remediated 100 electric utilities stated, ``the whole grid won't collapse, but there will be outages that could last up to several weeks.''

(13) The U.S. House has required that agencies prepare Y2K contingency plans that assume systems failures.

(14) The Year 2000 Program Manager for Washington D.C. has prepared contingency plans for one to two weeks without power, which she cites as the expected national average.

(15) Washington D.C. plans a "massive mobilization" of emergency personnel, and will open 21 warming shelters in local schools on New Year's Eve.

(16) The Red Cross is organizing shelters in every community to provide "mass care services" in the event of Y2K disruptions of power, water, sewer, heat, and delivery of food.

(17) The San Diego Police Dept. has advised each officer to purchase an RV and stock it with food and water in preparation for service disruptions and civil unrest.

(18) Special U.S. Army forces are engaged in a secret operation to protect food distribution centers in the event of a Y2K emergency.

(19) The British government has engaged secret plans for elite special forces, comparable to U.S. Navy Seals, to deal with outbreaks of civil disorder and collapse of utilities due to Y2K problems, and to protect government sites, banks, airports and power stations.

(20) The U.S. Marines recently held a training session in which the proposed scenario was an angry mob of federal workers who had not received paychecks due to Y2K computer problems, and were storming government buildings.

(21) A new disaster law in Oregon provides for emergency powers of the City Manager, including confiscation of equipment, vehicles and other property.

(22) During a Y2K test in Los Angeles, a treatment plant dumped 3 million gallons of raw sewage into a city park.

(23) Austin, TX has ordered 25 generators to protect city operations, sewage and water plants from Y2K power outages.

(24) FEMA has purchased 1,000 generators which shall be distributed to states to be used in the event of Y2K power outages.

(25 ) A Milwaukee power company has advised customers to consider the purchase of an electric generator.

(26) Senator Bennett, Chairman of the Senate Y2K Committee, has stated that he will stock over two weeks' worth of food and water in preparation for Y2K.

(27) Rep. George Grindley, Chairman of the Georgia Y2K Taskforce, has indicated that he will stock over three months' worth of food and water in preparation for Y2K.

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References

(1) Fewer Than Half of Major Firms Anticipate Full Year 2000 Compliance in Critical Systems by Year's End
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 10, 1999
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001D Zz

(2) Actions Speak Louder Than Words, Michael Hyatt, July 28, 1999
http://www.m ichaelhyatt.com/editorials/actions.htm

(3) Y2K Budgets Jump As Much As Five-Fold After Underestimating Task of Preparing for Y2K
http://www.weissratin gs.com/y2k_72699.htm

(4) Firms Stockpile to Beat Y2K Bug, The Sunday Times, June 13, 1999
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001E Sb

(5) Y2K Still Likely to Spark Recession: Forecaster
Jim Wolf, Aug. 10, 1999 (Reuters)
http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001DfX

(6) Public Relations Experts Preparing Y2K Spin-Doctoring
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0019 Q0

(7) User Beware -- Y2K Compliance Claims Could Be Bogus
Richard Burnett , The Orlando Sentinel, July 1, 1999
ht tp://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/y2k/s070199_y2k01_19.htm

(8) 17% OF U.S. Banks Receive "Below Average" Y2K Grades; 5% Rated "Low," Findings Contradict Regulators Tallies
and
Over 30% of Banks Admit Missing Y2K Deadline, Contradicting Government Assurances
http://www.weissrating s.com/inthenew.htm

(9) Pentagon Exaggerated Y2K Readiness, USA Today, Jan. 26, 1999
http://www.u satoday.com/life/cyber/tech/ctd907.htm

(10) Cover-up of Laggards Continues: Is electric industry's report intentionally confusing?
David Franke, World Net Daily, Aug. 4, 1999
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_franke_news/199 90804_xndfr_coverup_la.shtml

(11) FEMA Left in the Dark: Power companies cover up Y2K troubles
David M. Bresnahan, World Net Daily, Aug. 3, 1999
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/1999080 3_xex_fema_left_da.shtml

(12) Utilities Say They're Y2K Ready, Though Blackouts Expected
Bloomberg, June 30, 1999
http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0011fE

(13) Freedom Works: Home Page of the Office of the House Majority Leader
http://freedom.hous e.gov/y2k/grades/how.asp

(14) Official & complete 60 MINUTES Transcript, May 23, 1999
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000r qn

(15) D.C. Plans To Mobilize Workers For Y2K Backup; City Still Far Behind in Fixing Computers
ERIC LIPTON, WASHINGTON POST STAFF WRITER, Monday, June 28, 1999 ; Page A01
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001D uP

(16) Red Cross Disaster Planning: Preparations include shelters in communities country-wide
David M. Bresnahan, World Net Daily, Aug. 5, 1999
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/1999080 5_xex_red_cross_di.shtml

(17) San Diego cops' Special Preparations: Officers told to get ready for family survival, increase in crime
David M. Bresnahan, World Net Daily, July 12, 1999
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/1999071 2_xex_san_diego_co.shtml

(18) Army Prepares For Y2K Food Crisis, Undercover Special Forces operatives in distribution center
David M. Bresnahan, World Net Daily, May 24, 1999
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/1999052 4_xex_army_prepare.shtml

(19) Soldiers Pull Out of Kosovo to Deal With Millennium Bug Chaos
Hugh McManners, Defence Correspondent, The Sunday Times, July 18, 1999
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/07/18/s tinwenws01039.html?999

(20) Marines Train in Preparation for Workers Potential Y2K Anger
STEVE VOGEL, WASHINGTON POST, March 18, 1999 ; Page J06
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001D wK

(21) City Manager Gets Added Power if Disaster Occurs
SCOTT MABEN, The Register-Guard, August 10, 1999
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001D qD

(22) Fears of Sewage Spill Delay Y2K Test at Plant
Los Angeles Times, By Patrick McGreevy and Karima A. Haynes, June 19, 1999
http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000ycn

(23) Cities Snapping Up Generators For Y2K, Austin-American Statesman, July 26, 1999
http ://austin360.com/news/1metro/1999/07/26generators.html

(24) FEMA Readies For The Bug: What the agency is doing to prepare for Y2K
David M. Bresnahan, World Net Daily, Aug. 5, 1999
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/1999080 5_xex_fema_readies.shtml

(25) The Alliant Situation: Yet More Bizarre, E.L. Core, December 1, 1998
htt p://www.y2ktimebomb.com/Industry/Utilities/lcore9847.htm

(26) Y2K Forecasts, CBN Newsstand, David Snyder, July 20, 1999
http://www.cbn. org/newsstand/stories/990720.asp

(27) Georgia Representative Says Federal Government is Deliberately Misrepresenting Y2K Status of Power Grid
http://www.JustInCase Y2K.com/grindley.htm

-- mabel (mabel_louise@yahoo.com), October 26, 1999.

Just dropped in to say hi...

Yes, I'd convict based on a preponderance of the "evidence"...

-- mabel (mabel_louise@yahoo.com), October 26, 1999.

Wow Mabel, are you for hire? ;-) Great job!

-- Chris (#$%^&@pond.com), October 26, 1999.

Damn! You guys are good! Impressive!

-- Mary (CAgdma@home.com), October 27, 1999.

Great post, Mabel. With your permission, a couple of my DGI friends will get a copy of your research.

Incidentally, on the origins of 'Screw the pooch', I heard this first as a variation on F***ing the dog, or avoiding work.

Personally, I prefer 'seducing fido with gay abandon,' which has a nice PC feel to it.

-- Avalon (cdillon@XXX.XXX.net), October 27, 1999.

"...and they call it, puppy love..."

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), October 27, 1999.

I have read a lot of info about y2k, and the quote that haunts me is "some people will die" (i think senator Bennett said that referring to y2k related problems) If I were to be one of those that died, it wouldn't matter to me at that time if I were the only one, or one of ten or one of a thousand. I don't know how many are expected to die, or what the odds are that one will be me, but when a United States Senator says people are going to die because of y2k I think a person should do everything possible not to become a casualty.

-- jerry myers (jwm;yers@leectysch.com), October 27, 1999.

FORMULA FOR Y2K DISASTERS IN THE U.S.

100,000 mainframe computers + 1,000,000,000,000 lines of codes to check + 500 different languages + shortage of 500,000 programmers + 25-35 nuclear power plants not compliant (Oct, 99 inside info.) + telecommunication near the bottom in readiness (Martin Weiss) + 40% of US ports not ready +40% of foreign cargo ships not ready + 44 US cities likely to have total failure (Navy site) + 26/32 High Impact Federal Systems not compliant + 37 US cities with average grade of C (Center For Y2K) + only 13.5% of small to medium chemical plants are ready + 8 million systems expected to fail (Unysis) + 79% of Pre-1997 BioS chips cannot roll over from 1999 to 2000 + 64% of software packages tested in mid-97 had Y2K bug + Most compliant systems found to be non-compliant + flight of programmers already this fall + 55% of companies have experienced computer glitches (98% expect more glitches in 99) + resources shortage + 50 billion embedded chips (1-5% failure rate) + Year-end panic buying + 75% of nations are behind + 56% electric utility systems behind + solar flares in Y2K + 30% of 11,000 U.S. banks admit missing a critical deadline + 1,305 banks and S & L's "significantly behind schedule" (Martin Weiss, Summer, 99) + No bank with over 10 million lines of codes have declared compliance + 50% of the 19 largest Japanese banks have fixed only 25% of codes + 25%+ Americans intend to withdraw significant $ + 75% water utilities behind + 30% government critical mission systems behind + only 3 states Y2K compliant + 30% of big business non-compliant + 75% small businesses are complacent + estimated 5%+ of businesses will go bankrupt + Lack of compliant standard + undereporting of actual status + woeful lack of coordination + 75% project deadlines missed + perception of vulnerabilities + telecommunications behind + postal service way behind + 3 day food supply In the Markets + transportation & trucking behind + Nov. dramatic movies on Y2K + media blitz & sensational coverage + insurance non-coverage of Y2K related claims, allowed in 46 states (1.5 trillion legal cost) = DISASTERS!!

) Copyright October, 1999 Raymond Kwong. All rights reserved.

Permission granted here to reproduce in its entirety so long credit is given

-- Raymond Kwong (kcorner@hotmail.com), October 28, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Plus many companies planning to rely on fix-on-failure. Plus some portion of chip making capacity fell victim to the recent Taiwan earthquake.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), October 29, 1999.