http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

At Clifford Carnicoms site you can: ADD YOUR NAME TO A PETITION TO SEEK CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS ON CONTRAIL ACTIVITY

Cliffords startling close-up photos show spray coming from the tails of jets - with no contrails from their wing-mounted engines.

Recent visitors to Carnicoms hot website include:

1. Desert Research Institute in Nevada (weather modification research institution) (repeat visits)

2. Fort Lewis Army Military Base in the state of Washington (home of Special Forces air squadron)

3. Lockheed Martin (aviation and space defense contractor) (repeat visits)

4. Los Alamos National Laboratory (repeat visit)

5. Allergan Pharmaceutical Corporation (Allergy Pharmaceutical Research Company)

6. Alliant Techsystems (Space and Strategic Defense Systems contractor)

7. Raytheon Defense Systems (Defense Contractor)

8. BOEING AIRCRAFT COMPANY (28 visits minimum)

9. United States Defense Logistics Agency (supplies and support to combat troops)

10. Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Tucson AZ (home of 355th Wing)(repeat visits)11. Dept. of Defense Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Station

12. US Naval Sea Systems Command

13. Western Pacific Region of the Federal Aviation Administration, Lawndale CA. (repeat visits)

14. National Aeronautics and Space Administration Langley Research Center (repeat visits)

15. United States Environmental Protection Agency (5 visits minimum)

16. St. Vincent Hospital, Santa Fe New Mexico

17. HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, THE PENTAGON

18. United States Department of the Treasury (repeat visit)

19. United States Department of Defense Educational Activity

20. ANDREWS AIR FORCE BASE, PROUD HOME OF AIR FORCE ONE

21. United States Federal Aviation Administration

22. United States Naval Research Center, Washington DC

23. Rockwell-Collins (US defense contractor)

24. Honeywell (US Defense Contractor)(repeat visit)

25. Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton OH

26. Kadena Air Force Base, Okinawa, Japan

27. Camp Pendleton, United States Marine Corps (mandatory US Defense anthrax vaccination program described at www.cpp.usmc.mil)(repeat visit)(repeat visit)

28. Ames Research Center, NASA (one of primary missions is to research Astrobiology - the study of life in outer space) (repeat visit)

29. Space Dynamics Laboratory, Utah State University, North Logan, Utah

30. Merck (Pharmaceutical Products and Health Research)(repeat visit)

31. McClellan Air Force Base, Sacramento, CA. (The Sacramento Air Logistics Center at McClellan Air Force Base, California performs depot maintenance on the KC-135 Stratotanker aircraft and is heavily involved in space and communications-electronics.)(repeat visit)

32. TRW (US Defense Contractor)

33. Teledyne Brown Engineering (US Defense Contractor)

34. United States Navy Medical Department

35. Air National Guard, Salt Lake City, Utah

36. Monsanto Company(Chemical, Pesticide, and Pharmaceutical products)

37. US Department of Veterans Affairs

38. Arco Chemical Corporation

39. Sundstrand Aerospace (US Defense Contractor)

40. National Oceanic and Atmospherics Administration Aeronomy Laboratory (conducts fundamental research on the chemical and physical processes of the Earth's atmosphere)

41. Allied Signal Corporation(chemical, aerospace, energy ) (repeat visits

42. Aviation Weather Center, National Oceanic and Atmospherics Administration

43. United States Army Medical Department

44. NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

45. Applied Physics Laboratory, a research division of John Hopkins University, which supports the US Defense Department

46. United States Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA

47. HEADQUARTERS, UNITED STATES ARMY, THE PENTAGON

48. United States General Accounting Office(The General Accounting Office is the investigative arm of Congress. GAO performs audits and evaluations of Government programs and activities.)

49. Bristol-Myers Squibb Company(Pharmaceutical Research and Development)

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), October 25, 1999

Answers

The above list is a condensed version. Go to the website to see the entire list of governmental facilities, organizations and corporations that are interested in this topic.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), October 25, 1999.

[polly mode on] You freaks! You are all freaks! [Polly mode off]

Gee, I wonder why our good friends in government are spraying us. Do doomers smell THAT bad?

-- ---- (--@--.com), October 25, 1999.

Umm. Aren't normal, non-leathal contrails formed when moisture condenses out of the air as it is moved over the aircraft's wing? And as far as I can remember, the contrail becomes visible behind the aircraft. Are we sure we're not making a mountian out of a mole hill here?

Keep your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.not), October 25, 1999.

eyes,

They're low-altitude, don't dissapear normally, but diffuse broadly, turning into total cloud-cover or dense haze within a few hours. The flyovers are odd also, not utilizing the usual lanes, the same plane turning around and taking an angle, making "tic-tac-toe" formations or big loops over populated areas. Sometimes people get sick, especially asthmatics and old folks.

At this point I'd say we have an anomylous pile of dirt that apart from it's enormous size, is mole-hill-like, yet with distinct mountainous characteristics of a type previously observed in mountains once thought to be molehills.

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), October 25, 1999.

these are definitely not 'normal' contrails. They don't dissipate. They spread out and become cloud cover. They have been spraying our area all summer, the bastards!! Criss cross, etc. May they all rot in their next lifetime.

-- -- (--@--.com), October 25, 1999.

I use to laugh my ass off when I heard people fretting about contrails, but after seeing the photos and hearing some very credible reports, I am beginning to wonder. And I am not the conspiracy theory type.

-- semper paratus (always@ready.now), October 25, 1999.

If it's any consolation, they were spraying here in Wash, DC. heavily in May-June and kinda light in Sept. Liberty described them correctly. They aint normal. I have a friend who took pictures of them. It's obvious to anyone willing to look, that there is something weird going on.

-- King of Free Estimates (your@town.USA), October 25, 1999.

The lowdown on the contrail clouds

-- @ (@@@.@), October 25, 1999.

Check out this Al C. interview, October 24.

I myself AM a "conspiracy type" but this guy was sounding like a nut to me last year. Now I am listening and taking notes.

http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/99archives.stm

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), October 25, 1999.

THAT'S A DUD! - TRY THIS ONE.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 25, 1999.

Or,

Noticed sky looking like that today in North Central Indiana.

Just Wonderful,

-- Tess (preparingfortheworst@prayingforthebest.com), October 25, 1999.

Someone pointed out an article to me in a recent Aviation Week & Space Technology concerning high altitude contrails.

Seems NASA ran some experiments with a DC-8 off the coast of California to determine if high-altitude contrails turn into clouds. The article said that NASA was investigating the connection of aircraft-induced clouds and global climate change. The experiment was photograhed by a satellite and shows the contrail formed off the coast and shows how the contrail diffused and became a cloud over California and Nevada much larger than the initial contrail.

Now the question is do clouds make things wamer or cooler?

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), October 25, 1999.

They sometimes do it at night too. After a while you are able to spot these clouds immediately because of their stringy structure like a spider web, different than any normal low-altitude clouds. When the moon is near full you can sometimes see them at night also as I did a few evenings ago.

These psychos are going to jeopardize the entire planet by doing something like this, screwing up the balance of the natural ecosystem. And they are going to keep experimenting with this for years until they figure out how to control it at will, unless we demand that they stop. They probably caused some of the rare anomolies we've been seeing recently like the tornado in Salt Lake City, Utah. I have been getting the joint pain and asthma symptoms like many have and I'm going to sue the bastards.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 25, 1999.

interesting that one hand of the govt has no idea what the other hand (you know, the govt within the govt) is doing. same story as with echelon. bunch of senators knew nothing about it.

-- tt (cuddluppy@yahoo.com), October 25, 1999.

Given the nature of those in the clandestine elements of the government, I was not surprised to learn of the contrail phenomenon over a year ago. I have seen these trails created by what appeared to be a large jetliner with a long projection on its tail, similar to an in-flight refueling tanker. The aircraft was sufficiently low in altitude to inhibit normal condensation trails from the heat of the engines' exhaust. The trail I witnessed was emanating from this long projection on the rear of the aircraft. It was a very unusual sight.

I have read much of what others have seen. In most cases I do not doubt their sightings, but solving the entire equation is quite difficult, given so few elements. Once we leave the arena of the observable and attempt to determine exactly what is we are entering the field of conjecture. It would appear, however, that there may be a correlation between the number of cases of bronchial and pneumonic illness and this spraying, but more research need to be done. Considering that elements within the government have in the past thought nothing of testing unsuspecting citizens with radioactive material, biological agents and psychoactive drugs, I would tend to err on the side of those who suspect foul play.

-- PKM (.@...), October 25, 1999.

This guy has the story, I'm not kidding. It's well worth a listen. Former Joint Chiefs of Staff. (A bit religious, but maybe you need some kind of serious faith to escape Evil Bastards Inc. at that level). Wake up folks, especially those of you military and police who do the heavy lifting: you are about to be used, and afterwards you will be cast aside ala "night of long knives." These things happen. They happen to be happening now. Get ready. Listen.

Al C., October 24:

http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/99archives.stm

Some of the information he's giving out is truly astounding, and while some of it is unconfirmed, it fits the pattern that I've observed: we are under attack by a globalist conspiracy that views the nation of the United States as an impediment to their hegemony. This is the "UN Troops" theory that I've been reluctant to accept - until it was confirmed that international special forces (in addition to Delta Force) were present in numbers at Waco. There's some info here about a hepatitis A connection to chemtrails, which I have yet to confirm.

Combining the weakening of our military, the overcommitment of troops abroad in "peacekeeping" missions, the gutting of our nuclear response capability, the Al C. scenario is seeming increasingly plausible to me. This is the real deal, the stuff that "'martial law' signs on trucks" urban legends are sent out to obscure.

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), October 25, 1999.

Anyone considering the remarks of Al. C. might find the following link to be thought-provoking, to say the least.

http://www.gvtc.com/~js earcy/cuppet.htm

-- PKM (.@...), October 25, 1999.

-- PKM,

Thanks! I've seen a lot of "prophecy" joints, and this site your linked page was on has a very ersatz feel to it. Not as in trying to fool the people and turn a buck, but more like - pure theater. My take, based on similar operations (Jonestown, Ummo, etc.), is that Cuppet is fielding and articulating anti-NWO fact and rumor, and mixing it with a FULL TILT BOZO brand of "prophecy" in order to discredit the entire data set, both in the eyes of non-religious people, and people of legitimate faith (his bragging about his "visions," and how much he prays made me wince, and I'm not even a christian). IMHO this is a classic, well-turned disinformational front operation. Elija my eye! I could believe he was a bit of a nut bar, but he's too smart to fall for the reappearance of Elija. Anyone could go to Jerusalem at any given time and find five Elijas in their first hour - everyone's heard of "Jerusalem syndrome." No, it's either an total con on C's part, or some controller is running him. The result is the same as with the UFO cults: sensible people turn away in disgust and banish the unpleasant reminder of the mind's frailty with ridicule. And with it, they banish the secrets the operation was designed to conceal.

As I've seen quoted on this forum: "the stupider it looks, the more important it probably is." That's disinformation.

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), October 25, 1999.

This sounds nutz, but yesterday, in Arizona, there were two contrails going straight up into the sky. Almost perpendicular to the ground. They were comming from the general direction of the NM border. Not certain of the origin. I looked up to see what was making the second one and noticed that it looked somewhat like a rocket. Wings to small to be a plane. Trail comming from the ass end of it, not wings. Very odd. Time was approx. 330-400 pm our time.

I didn't think it unusual as we see White Sands testing all the time (once every two-three months) but it's usually early, early morning. Still dark. This was broad daylight. I give up. this sucks. fucking twilight zone.

-- Ben Dover (whothefuckknows@igiveup.com), October 26, 1999.

Mystery Solved! Relax. Nothing but military war games. Check out this snapshot I took after an excercise out at Nellis a couple months ago...

-- CD (not@here.com), October 26, 1999.

Sorry. Looks like this board doesn't like JPG images.

-- CD (not@here.com), October 26, 1999.

If you really want to see it, you can find it here...

War Games Photo Link

-- CD (not@here.com), October 26, 1999.

The contrails here in NC have slowed down somewhat, I guess I was busy with building my new home. But they are spraying up here also. What is interesting is the recent spraying of New York area concerned with the mosquito fear of infection... If anyone remembers it was Malathion again, we got sprayed for 8 weeks in Tampa during 1998 so did alot of other areas. Then when I contacted CDC in Atlanta for info about Malathion they sent a 16 page report ,basicly saying the chemical should not be stored in the sunlight. But in Tampa it was stored on the tarmack of the Tampa Int.Airport, hot and probably 105 degrees there... Many people were having health problems then, only because a friend of mine worked at a hospital and was complaining about all the older patients with breathing problems... You have to start wondering just what is going on ? ? ? And maybe some of us who mention things that sound so crazy really do happen...

-- Furie (furieart@dnet.net), October 26, 1999.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 26, 1999.

You know, if I'm right about International Money destabilizing America as a prelude to dissolving it's sovereignty and folding it into their nifty "global governance" scheme, then chemtrail spraying of any and all kinds of assorted crap could be an intelligence suppressant. Just to keep us fouled up, flustered and far from home; lethargic and disoriented, if not actually puking our guts out.

A lot of people would like to defend the government on this score, but they've done far too much nuclear and bacteriological testing on unwitting subjects. Remember the bacteria sent through New York's subways, just to see how it would spread? The feeding of radioactive material to orphans, and hospitalized people without their knowledge or consent, admitted to by the DOE? You can't dismiss the possibility of a really nasty chemtrail program so easily after that. Those who have experienced chemtrails are portrayed as "kooks," but by any reasonable, objective, common-sense standard of judgement, we have more reason than not to believe that our government is spraying some really toxic, harmful crap on us.

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), October 26, 1999.

Liberty, or anyone out there: for those of us who cannot use audio at work and whose new modem at home caused loss of audio function, have you a transcript of this broadcast? Would certainly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

-- Elaine Seavey (Gods1sheep@aol.com), October 26, 1999.

Elaine,

Until you get a chance to listen, I'd highly recommend printing a copy of the PDF document and give it a close read, I think you'll see what they are up to.

air force wants to "own" the weather

Remember the old expression.. "don't fool with mother nature"? Well, when it comes to national security these military psycopaths don't give a hoot. They think they can control anything and everything, and they don't care how many people die in order to prove it. The results of this manipulation could easily end up being worse than any nuclear war.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 26, 1999.

@ can you please synopsise the ways in which they are attempting to change the weather as it relates to contrails. I don't have the time to read a 50 odd page report right now.

Thank you.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), October 26, 1999.

There was a LOT of activity in the sky over Waco, Texas yesterday. On my way to work going north on Hwy 77, there were just a few skinny trails. By 9 am they were crisscrossing. This continued all day until the entire sky was covered. Relative humidity 36%.

I do wonder what the local weathermen, with their 24 hour skycam footage, make of the whole thing?

As to conjecture about what it is, that's quite a big question, isn't it?

-- mommacarestx (nospam@thankyou.net), October 26, 1999.

I forgot to say, it was interesting that Raytheon is on this list. They have a large plant here.

-- mommacarestx (noemail@thanks.net), October 26, 1999.

OR,

Ok, it is a long story, but I'll try to briefly hit some of the key points.

[snip] In 1957, the president's advisory committee on weather control explicitly recognized the military potential of weather-modification, warning in their report that it could become a more important weapon than the atom bomb.

[snip] In 1977, the UN General Assembly adopted a resolution prohibiting the hostile use of environmental modification techniques. The resulting "Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Technique (ENMOD)" committed the signatories to refrain from any military or other hostile use of weather-modification which could result in widespread, long-lasting, or severe effects.

[snip] Modification of the ionosphere to enhance or disrupt communications has recently become the subject of active research. According to Lewis M. Duncan, and Robert L. Showen, the Former Soviet Union (FSU) conducted theoretical and experimental research in this area at a level considerably greater than comparable programs in the West.

[my words] A lot of research has been done and a new document produced in 1996 which summarized the need to develop these technologies, primarily for military purposes. There are many other applications involving satellites and altering of the ionosphere, but I list here only a few of those relevant to the contrails:

[snip] WFSE Weather Force Support Element

DEGRADE ENEMY FORCES

Precipitation Enhancement

-Flood Lines of Communication

-Reduce PGM (precision guided munitions) / Recce Effectiveness

-Decrease Comfort Level/ Morale

ENHANCE FRIENDLY FORCES

Fog and Cloud Generation

-Increase Concealment

[my words] Now they have found a loophole around ENMOD which allows them to conduct these activities within areas that are not defined as "widespread", etc...

[snip] These applications are consistent with CJCSI 3810.01, "Meteorological and Oceanographic Operations."

CJCSI 3810.01, Meteorological and Oceanographic Operations, 10 January 95. This CJCS Instruction establishes policy and assigns responsibilities for conducting meteorological and oceanographic operations. It also defines the terms widespread, long-lasting, and severe, in order to identify those activities that US forces are prohibited from conducting under the terms of the UN Environmental Modification Convention. Widespread is defined as encompassing an area on the scale of several hundred km; long-lasting means lasting for a period of months, or approximately a season; and severe involves serious or significant disruption or harm to human life, natural and economic resources, or other assets.

[my words] The document goes on to discuss several methods for achieving the desired effects some of which need to be tested at full scale to understand how to control them, which is probably what they are doing at this stage in the game.

PM Precipitation Modification (F&C)M Fog and Cloud Modification SM Storm Modification CW Counter Weather AW Artificial Weather ADV Aerospace Delivery Vehicles DE Directed Energy AIM Artificial Ionospheric Mirrors CHEM Chemicals SC Smart Clouds (nanotechnology) CBD Carbon Black Dust

[my words] Apparently there are several military applications for which they may be planning to implement the use of these contrails, but from what I gather (they do not go into the finest details for obvious secrecy concerns) they are most likely experimenting with a form of the carbon dust or some synthetic cloud-seeding substances. The purpose could be something as simple as trying to develop the fastest development rates for cloud production, or perhaps trying to refine a substance that would provide either a block from radar and IR detection, or the ability to scramble signals used by an enemy to guide incoming PGM's.

In summary, it appears to me that the government felt we were falling too far behind Russia in these methods so they created the authority to begin testing under the guise of the bogus "oceanic" regulation or whatever. We will undoubtedly be seeing many different types of these tests being conducted over the next few decades. The legislation will become more permissive, and there will be victims who will try to sue the government but probably get nowhere, because like the Gulf War Syndrome, the illnesses will not be considered "serious" in the eyes of the government.

So I would not go as far out on a limb as some conspiracy buffs that think they are intentionally trying to fry our brains or something, but in a slower, more methodical way, it really amounts to almost the same thing. I never thought in my lifetime we would have to sacrifice many of our blue-sky, clean-air days to satisfy the paranoid requirements of this bizarre military industrial complex. Things are getting VERY surrealistic.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 27, 1999.