Martial law drill in South Carolina?

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Last Thursday afternoon around 2:00 PM I was travelling West on I-26 from Columbia to Spartanburg SC. Along the way I passed a loosely organized convoy of emergency vehicles travelling at a high rate of speed on I-26 in the opposite direction. I passed about 100 in all during about 30 minutes and at first I assumed it to be routine. However, I noticed the following peculiar things:

* It was a wide assortment of vehicles, including SUVs, military looking Humvees, commercial trucks and sedans, and even a Firebird.

* All of the vehicles were either dark green (like USNG) or dark blue (like USAF) and had no markings whatsoever.

* They all had identical flashing blue lights (reserved for law enforcement in SC)

* A large flatbed truck (with flashing blue lights) carried what appeared to be a large generator or some type of assault vehicle.

I called the Highway Patrol from my car phone and asked about the commotion and was told they had no information on what I described.

Does USNG use Chevy Firebirds? Are some of their vehicles painted dark blue? Can anyone shed some light one this?

-- anonymous (@ .), October 19, 1999

Answers

Anonymous:

Souns like the Camaro or Firebird was a "pursuit" vehicle for the highway patrol. As for them denying any knowledge of what went on, it is possible that the person you spoke with did not know what was going on. If the TPTB are planning something nefarious to exterminate our last few rights; their lackeys in the various police organizations are not going to broadcast this around, as there are still many officers who do value liberty.

-- Bryan (BryanL@aol.com), October 19, 1999.


Saw something very similar in my city about 6 months ago but nowhere near the level that you saw. My wife and I saw about 8 white vans pulling into a underground garage that is where people park when a convention is going on in the convention center that is nearby.

This was mid-week though and most of the stuff that goes on there is on the weekends for the most part.

I don't know the answers but something is going to happen soon.

-- Metoo (samething@monthsago.com), October 19, 1999.


Saw something very similar in my city about 6 months ago but nowhere near the level that you saw. My wife and I saw about 5 white vans pulling into a underground garage that is where people park when a convention is going on in the convention center that is nearby.

This was mid-week though and most of the stuff that goes on there is on the weekends for the most part.

I don't know the answers but something is going to happen soon.

-- Metoo (samething@monthsago.com), October 19, 1999.


All through september, in Indianapolis, there was urban training going on in an abandoned housing projects complex. It occurred at Raymond and Emerson on the southeast side of the city, within city limits. My sister-in-law said she saw a "tank", which turned out to be an APC, at that complex so I went to check it out. I indeed saw more than 2 dozen men in camoflage with small automatic machine guns. All residents had heard loud "booms" in the area for over a week. I simply walked up to the unit to ask questions and a member of the Indpls PD told me to stop. I ask what was goin on and he said "training" thats it. Then he introduced me to Lt. Handler of the US Navy. This shocked me beyond belief. They said the Navy Seals were teaching the IPD some urban tactics. Following this I went home and called everyone from National guard, naval reserve, state police, etc. All denied any knowledge and even asked if the call "was a hoax"! The only answer was from Matthew Stewart, IPD media relations. He said it was Y2K arms control training and asked for me not to make a stink about it.

The fact that they were there isn't as alarming as the fact that no one had any knowledge of it; and the one that did know asked me to keep quiet. Federal troops within city limits, I dont like that at all!!!

-- John (JJacobs@usa.net), October 20, 1999.


Time to reread Breakdown, by William Johnstone

"You are not part of the problem"

Night train

-- jes a scared ol constitutionalist footballer (nighttr@in.lane), October 20, 1999.



I have limited access to planned training by the SCNG (as long as I know what to ask about). I'll try and find out what was going on. By the way, blue lights are reserved for state law enforcement only. The county and cities use blue on the right and red on the left of their visibars.

Night Train...nice to see someone else reads Johnstone. "Viva Ben Raines". It's a shame that the Tri-States doesn't exist. I would go for that in a flash. (For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about...and would like to know....read the Ashes series by William Johnstone).

-- Lobo (atthelair@yahoo.com), October 20, 1999.


We are part of a group of observers/newsletter contributors who live in the 120 cities earmarked by the Dept of Defense to be trained for terrorist incidents before Jan. 1, and we live in and report from other U.S. cities as well. We report what we see and share information as friends. We have no political affiliation and no agendas. We are ordinary citizens. We are the witnesses of our communities.

We have noticed what appears to be a higher than normal rate of military vehicles ... this week what was described as "a tank" escorted by 5 motorcycle police going 70 miles per hour on I-90 near Spokane, heading toward Idaho... last month a tank was seen tooling down highway 10 just east of Stevens Point, Wisconsin, with a convoy of camo trucks, ... Recently what appeared to be camouflage ICBM and launcher on an interstate near Jacksonville ... A few months ago, a very large train of military vehicles and APC's parked on a siding near Oletha Kansas, This month, a very large train of military vehicles holding up traffic in San Francisco ... Beefed up numbers of hummers and military vehicles at a Los Angeles National Guard storage spot this month... The purchase of an APC by the city of Tallahassee recently reported in the local paper ... The reported knowledge of a tank and several APCs for Oklahoma City ...

Now, granted, we dont know how much of this could be called "normal" activity. Obviously military vehicles must move about somehow. But each person who witnessed these things said it was an unusual sight for them... they had not seen such extensive numbers of vehicles before, nor had they ever seen tanks speeding down freeways before.

-- (normally@ease.notnow), October 20, 1999.


Normally:

Do you know if New Orleans is included in one of these 120 cities?

-- Scarlett (creolady@aol.com), October 20, 1999.


The 120 cities including New Orleans: Akron Ohio, Albuquerque New mexico, Amarillo texas, Anaheim California, Anchorage alaska, Arlingtontexas, Arlington virginia, Atlanta Georgia, Aurora colorado, austin Texas, Bakersfield california, Baltimore maryland, Baton Rouge louisiana, Birmingham Alabama, Boston Massachusetts, buffalo new york, charlotte north carolina, chattanooga tennessee, cdhesapeake Virginia, Chicago Illinois, Cincinnati Ohio, Cleveland Ohio, Colorado Springs Colorado, Columbus Georgia, Columbus Ohio, Corpus Christi Texas, Dallas Texas, Dayton Ohio, Denver Colorado, Des Moines Iowa, Detroit Michigan, El Paso Texas, Fort Wayne Indiana, Fort Worth Texas, Freemont California, Fresno California, Ft Lauderdale Florida, Garland Texas, Glendale Arizona, Glendale California, Grand Rapids Michigan, Greensboro North Carolina, Hialeah Florida, Honolulu Hawaii, Houston Texas, Huntington Beach California, Huntsville Alabama, Indianapolis Indiana, Irving Texas, Jackson Mississippi, Jacksonville Florida, Jerssey City New Jersey, Kansas City Kansas, Kansas City Missouri, Knoxville Tennessee, Las Vegas Nevada, Lexington-Fayett Kentucky, Lincoln Nebraska, Little Rock Arkansas, Long Beach California, Lousiville Kentucky, Lubbock Texas, Madison Wisconsin, Memphis Tennessee, Mesa Arizona, Metaire Louisiana, Miami Florida, Milwaukee Wisconsin, Minneapolis Minnesota, Mobile Alabama, Modesto California, Montgomery Alabama, Nashville Tennessee, New Orleans Louisiana, New York New YOrk, Newark New Jersey, Newport News Virginia, Norfolk Virginia, Oakland California, Oklahoma City Oklahoma, Omaha Nebraska, Orlando Florida, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, Phoenix Arizona, Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, Portland Oregon, Providence Rhode Island, Raleigh North Carolina, Richmond Virginia, Riverside California, Rochester New York, Sacramento California, Salt Lake City Utah, San Antonio Texas, San Bernardino California, San Diego California, San Francisco California, San Jose California, Santa Ana California, Seattle Washington, Shreveport Louisiana, Spokane Washington, Springfield Massachusetts, St. Louis Missouri, St. Paul Minnesota, St. Petersburg Florida, Stockton California, Syracuse New York, TAcoma Washington, Tampa Florida, Toledo Ohio, Tucson ARizona, Tulsa Oklahoma, Virginia Beach Virginia, Warren Michigan, Washington DC, Wichita Kansas, Worchester Massachusetts and Yonkers New YOrk.

These are not exactly the same cities as the 125 cities listed in the Navy Report shared by Jim Lord. These are the 120 cities targeted by the dept of defense to be trained and ready for terrorism by jan 1

-- (normally@ease.notnow), October 20, 1999.


Right .... just which terrorists are they worried about (foreign or domestic?)

and who is going to decide which of us is a murderer,

and who is going to decide which of us is a terrorist,

and who is going to decide which of us is a citizen?

Last time, seems the FBI and ATF got the decision a little bit wrong...

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), October 20, 1999.



Lobo, the Tri States Coalition is alive and ready. Check out our web site. http://www.tsc-ashes.com/

-- Mr. Pinochle (pinochledd@aol.com), October 20, 1999.

maybe i am just slow but i still don't get it. what kind of "terrorist attack" would warrant urban assault? it would seem to me the average citizen would be a victim and that a terrorist attack might consist of something bad being done to alot of citizens. it seems that the military would be doing more search and rescue than it appears to be training for? so what is REALLY up with all this urban assault training???? who is the perceived enemy and what kind of scenario would bring this about? it seems to me that what our "leaders" are doing is getting us used to a military presence among us for possible future events that they may perpetrate on us????

-- tt (cuddluppy@yahoo.com), October 20, 1999.

it might be interesting to obtain a videotape of the Tony Brown's Journal program recently shown on PBS that featured an exFBI agent, PhD in Criminal Justice, 10 years with the FBI... talking about the FBI's worst case "Mad Max" scenario for Y2K -- securing control of inner cities with APCs and "hostage recovery" teams whose aim is not hostage recovery, rounding up dissidents, moving large numbers of people, calculating "acceptable losses" of innocent civilians. I believe it can be obtained through www.tonybrown.com.

-- (normally@ease.notnow), October 20, 1999.

"tt", consider that it was the FBI's "Hostage Rescue Team" that was used at Waco. Take a hint.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 20, 1999.

"This is a Marine Corps training exercise," said Abraham. "At no time has the FBI assumed operational control over it."

"In fact," he added, "current federal law prohibits the military from engaging in civil law enforcement action." Abraham also debunked another report that said civilian police SWAT teams were also training with the Marines. John Jacobs posts: . I simply walked up to the unit to ask questions and a member of the Indpls PD told me to stop. I ask what was goin on and he said "training" thats it. Then he introduced me to Lt. Handler of the US Navy. This shocked me beyond belief. They said the Navy Seals were teaching the IPD some urban tactics.

Why John, I find that fascinating, considering the following posting from Helium regarding recent Arizona military excercises:

"This is a Marine Corps training exercise," said Abraham. "At no time has the FBI assumed operational control over it."

"In fact," he added, "current federal law prohibits the military from engaging in civil law enforcement action." Abraham also debunked another report that said civilian police SWAT teams were also training with the Marines.

"We just don't conduct training with civilian authorities," he said. "We don't participate in any kind of exercises ... with local authorities -- ours or theirs."

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001cBA

Can anyone verify whether the Marine corps does interact in training excercises with local law enforcement and verify that the Navy does not?

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), October 20, 1999.



See...

Domestic Preparedness -- 120 Cities (I swear they keep changing the URL on this link, BTW!)

The ultimate goal of the Domestic Preparedness Team is to train and assess 120 cities. These cities include list...

http:// in1.apgea.army.mil:80/ops/dp/fs/fs_120c.html

Home page...

The U.S. Army Soldier and Biological Chemical Command (SBCCOM)

http://www.sbccom.army.mil/

Search

http:// www.sbccom.army.mil:8090/compass



-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), October 20, 1999.


I'm not discounting this information. What flashed into my mind however is the montage of scenes from the film "Close Encounters of the Third Kind",...the moving of equipment and materiels to Mt. Rushmore using semi-tractors and trailers with the logos of "Piggly Wiggly", "Baskin-Robbins" and the like. Cui bono? Who benefits from a display of "official" military vehicles? A question that leaps from my mind. When would TPTB value visibility over stealth?

Just some thoughts,...

-- Donna (moment@pacbell.net), October 20, 1999.


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