He know's it all - wrote the book "the truth shall set you free" On the radio October 14th. All you need is Realplayer G2.

http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/99archives.stm

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), October 16, 1999

Answers

This guy is KOOOOKOOOO. If you believe this crap you'll believe anything.

-- He's (nuts@nuthouse.me), October 16, 1999.

No Sir, you just can't deal with these concepts.

He's as sane and open as they come.

I'll believe anything :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), October 16, 1999.

Shape-shifting reptilians? Yah right.

-- b (b@b.com), October 16, 1999.

The immaculate conception. Ya right.

Heaven and hell. Ya right.

Transsubstantiation. Ya right.

Ghosts. Ya right.

Precognition, ESP, telepathy, remote viewing. Ya right.

God. Ya right.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), October 16, 1999.

That African dude sounds like he's a reptilian. His voice over the Internet is really trippy like some kind of Iguana head or something.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 16, 1999.

b,

just to get you thinking... check this out... then read the latest scientific evidence in the next post...

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Original Zechariah Sitchin Remarks On The 12th Planet http://www.sitchin.com/ 10-14-99

"There is one more planet in our own solar system, not light years away, that comes between Mars and Jupiter every 3,600 years. People from that planet came to Earth almost half a million years ago and did many of the things about which we read in the Bible, in the book of Genesis. I prophecies the return of this planet called Nibiru at this time. The planet is inhabited by intelligent human beings like us who will come and go between their planet and our planet. They created homo sapiens. We look like them. I call them the Annunaki. The starting point for my research goes back to my childhood and schooldays. I wondered about the Nefilim, who are mentioned in Genesis, Chapter six, as the sons of the gods who married the daughters of Man in the days before the great flood, the Deluge. The word Nefilim is commonly, or used to be, translated giants. There were the days when there were giants upon the Earth. I questioned this interpretation as a child at school, and I was reprimanded for it because the teacher said you don't question the Bible. But I did not question the Bible, I questioned an interpretation that seemed inaccurate, because the word, Nefilim, the name by which those extraordinary beings, the sons of the gods were known, means literally, Those who have come down to earth from the heavens. All the ancient scriptures, the Bible, the Greek myths, the Egyptian myth and texts, the pyramid texts, everything, led to the Sumerians, whose civilization was the first known one six thousand years ago. I focused on Sumer, the source of these legends and myths and texts and information. I learned to read the cuneiform Sumerian texts and came upon their persistent and repeated statements that those beings, whom the Sumerians called Anunnaki, came to earth from a planet called Nibiru. The planet was designated by the sign of the cross and Nibiru meant, planet of crossing.The question thus shifted in my research from who were the Nefilim and the Anunnaki, to, what planet is Nibiru? Forced to become proficient in astronomy, I had to learn enough about it to deal with the subject. I found out that the scholars were divided. Some said it (Nibiru) was Mars, which of course was described and known to the ancient people, and others said, no, it was Jupiter. Those who said it was Jupiter and not Mars, had very convincing arguments why it could not be Mars. And those who said it was Mars and not Jupiter had very convincing arguments also. Being able to go directly to those ancient sources, clay tablets and cuneiform scripts, it seemed to me that neither was right, because the description of Nibiru and its position when it nears the Sun indicated that it could not be Mars, and it could not be Jupiter. And then one night I woke up with the answer: Of course, it is one more planet that comes periodically between Mars and Jupiter; it is sometimes nearer to Mars and sometimes nearer to Jupiter, but it isn't Mars or Jupiter. Once I realized that this was the answer, that there is one more planet, everything else fell into place. The meaning of the Mesopotamian Epic of Creation on which the first chapters of Genesis are based and all details about the Anunnaki, who they were and who their leaders were and how they traveled from their planet to Earth and how they splashed down in the Persian Gulf and about their first settlement, their leaders and so on and so on, everything became clear! The Sumerians had immense knowledge. They knew about Uranus and Neptune and described them and they knew about Pluto. They were proficient in mathematics and, in many respects, their knowledge surpassed modern times. They said, "All that we know was told to us by the Anunnaki." The first book's innovation, its impact, was the realization that the ancient peoples, beginning with the Sumerians, knew of and described and spoke of one more planet in our solar system. It was not a discovery like that of Pluto in 1930 (of which the Sumerians knew six thousand years ago). Pluto was a very interesting astronomical discovery; textbooks had to be revised. But to the average person, the man on the street, it really made no difference. Nibiru, on the other hand was a different story. If Nibiru exists, (and this is the planet that astronomers nowadays call planet X) then the Anunnaki exist. So the existence of Nibiru is not a matter of just one more globe in our solar system. This is different, because if Nibiru exists, and the Anunnaki exist, then the Sumerian claim that they come back to our vicinity every 3,600 years, at which times in the past they gave us civilization, then we are not alone and there are more advanced people than us in our solar system.The first book, The Twelth Planet lays the foundation and describing Sumerian knowledge and concluding with the existence of one more planet is really the key to understanding what it is all about. What the tales of Genesis are, what the tales of creation are, what our past was, and in a way what our future will be. The second book, The Stairway to Heaven, looks at the tales of ancient times, primarily from two new aspects. One was to bring the Egyptian texts and mythologies into the picture and show how they fit with the Sumerian [texts] and what they really meant. The second was to look at the issue of man's search for immortality. And this ties in with the Sinai, it ties in with the landing place, with the spaceports in the Sinai Peninsula, the role of Jerusalem and all that. The third book, The Wars of Gods and Men, continues the story and shows what happened after Kingship, a new phase of civilization, was given to mankind. Dealing with the conflict that began with the rivalry between two half brothers, Enlil and Enki. It relates how this conflict continued among their sons and their grandchildren, leading to actual warfare which I call the Pyramid Wars (there were two) in which, eventually, mankind became involved. That is how mankind learned to make war. And this deals with a moral or theological subject: Is man a warrior by nature, or was he taught to become a warrior? Book four, The Lost Realms, is the tale of the Americas. Not just what they call pre-Columbian times but four, five thousand years ago, which was before the Incas, the Mayans and the Aztecs. Who really was in the Americas, how ancient are some of the antiquities and how were such incredible megalithic structures built? What for, How come, and By Whom? The Lost Realms shows that it is part of the same story, that the same Anunnaki brought mankind or part of mankind to the Americas. Book five, Genesis Revisited, a companion book, was really written because in the fifteen years since the first book was published, there have been many scientific advances, especially in astronomy and all the discoveries of the Voyager Spacecraft, in geology, biology, the discovery of DNA, the ability to create babies in a test tube, linguistics, and [in unlocking the secrets of] the origin of languages. Each such discovery corroborated what the Sumerians had known and had written, and therefore fully confirmed what I said in my first book. And each time there was such a discovery I would literally jump out of my seat and say, My god, this is exactly what the Sumerians said six thousand years ago! If you read the relevant page in The Twelfth Planet, you will see that I quote a Sumerian text that says exactly how the Adam, the first Homo sapiens, was created.* You will see that this is a process that today we call the test tube baby process. I quote a text that describes Uranus and Neptune as Voyager 2 saw them in 1986 and 1989. 1 finally sat down and put together all this scientific evidence, all these scientific discoveries to show how they match and corroborate ancient knowledge. Hence the subtitle of Genesis Revisited is Is Modern Science Catching Up With Ancient Knowledge? The knowledge that we have acquired corroborates what the Sumerians knew six thousand years ago. You wonder how is it possible, how could they know? How, as another example, could their symbol of the entwined serpents, that we still use today to denote medicine and healing and biology, be 6,000 years ago, the symbol of Enki, who engaged in genetic engineering to bring about the Adam? That was a symbol of the DNA, the double helix of DNA. How could they know without telescopes and spacecraft that Neptune is a watery planet? They provided the answer by saying: All that we know we have learned from the Anunnaki. So, you say, Ok. There were Anunnaki. Now, who were the Anunnaki and where were they from? The Sumerians say, They came here from Nibiru. And you say, What is Nibiru? So they say, It is one more planet in our solar system.Now, if you say, I'm really impressed by the Sumerian knowledge, and, maybe they knew what they were talking about regarding the Anunnaki. But I don't think there is another planet with these advanced beings on it near Earth. If so, what is your explanation of who Anunnaki were? Was there really a race of giants who existed on Earth half a million years ago? Do you believe there was a civilization on Earth half a million years ago that surpassed our own and disappeared? When the focus shifts to explaining those other people, you have no explanation. I then say, if you have no explanation, why not accept the word of the Sumerians? The second aspect of the answer is this. Nowhere in all these books do I use a text, or do I refer to a tablet and say, I went to this or that place in the Near East and as I was visiting that place, I shifted the soil with my foot or with a stick and look what I found! I found this tablet and look what it says! It says that there was somebody called Enki who travelled from Nibiru to Earth and splashed down in the Persian Gulf. No, nowhere do I say, "Look what I found". All the time I say, "There is a tablet in the British Museum, its catalogue number is such and such; it was discovered in this and this place; the text was first published by this and this scholar, here is what it says. All the information, all the sources that I am giving, are academically, scientifically, scholarly known and accepted sources. "We look like them. They made us through genetic engineering. They jumped the gun on evolution, and made us to look like them physically, and to be like them emotionally. That is what the Bible says: Let us make the Adam in our likeness and after our image. Physically, outwardly and inwardly. So much of what they are, we are. There is a tremendous difference in the lifespan, which is the cause of the notions of their immortality. Because one year to them is one orbit of theirs around the sun. So, one of their years equals three-thousand-six-hundred of ours. This is the key difference between us and them. Then there is the difference in their technological advancement which enables them not only to travel in space, and to have traveled half a million years ago, but also to revive the dead and do other things which in biblical times were considered miracles. I feel that just as they came to earth and created us through genetic engineering, and mixed their genes with those of Ape-woman, that one day we will go out in space and land on another planet somewhere and do the same thing. In this sense, I believe things are ordained in a grand pattern. But can events within this grand pattern be determined by individuals? I think so. Take the story of the Deluge and the destruction of mankind and the saving of the seed of mankind, through Noah and his ark. Enlil decided to use the opportunity of the avalanche of water to destroy mankind, while Enki told Noah, (the Sumerian Ziusudra) about what was coming. Enki taught Noah how to build an ark and cover and seal it so it wouldn't be swamped, and Noah was able to take himself and his family and others, according to the Sumerians, into the ark and save the seed of mankind. Here you have a conflict between two leaders of the Anunnaki. One felt one way and one felt another way. So the question of free choice, of what is right, what is wrong, what should be done, what should not be done, is there all along. I see my task, or maybe my mission, to bring to the knowledge of people today what the ancient people knew and believed in. To do so by being able to go to their sources and their writings and their depictions, and treating that material not as a myth but as a true story. Now, my writings have become a basis of quite a substantial literature. There are two dozen or more books that are based on my books. These are in theology, astrology, and so on and so forth, and I am sure there are many more about which I don't know. They refer to my writings or are based on them. I provide the facts as I see them, and everyone is free to interpret them as they wish."

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), October 16, 1999.

Huge Unseen Planet Proposed Circling Our Sun - Nibiru?

By Alan Boyle http://www.msnbc.com/news/320182.asp 10-7-99

Two teams of researchers have proposed the existence of an unseen planet or a failed star circling the sun at a distance of more than 2 trillion miles, far beyond the orbits of the nine known planets. The theory, which seeks to explain patterns in comets' paths, has been put forward in research accepted for publication in two separate journals.

Speculation about the existence of unseen celestial companions dates back far before the discovery of Pluto in 1929 - and even figures in more recent fringe phenomena such as the 1997 "Heaven's Gate" tragedy and talk of a new "Planet X." This latest hypothesis, however, is aimed at answering nagging scientific questions about how particular types of comets make their way into the inner solar system.

Some comets, like Halley's Comet, follow relatively short-period orbits - circling the sun in less than two hundred years. These comets are thought to originate in the Kuiper Belt, a disk of cosmic debris that lies beyond Neptune's orbit.

The best way to think of the distances involved is in terms of Astronomical Units. One AU is the distance from Earth to the sun (93 million miles or 149.6 million kilometers). Pluto, the most distant of the planets, is at 39 AU. The Kuiper Belt extends from 30 AU to perhaps 1,000 AU.

Even further out is the Oort Cloud, a spherical haze of comets surrounding the solar system at distances between 10,000 AU and more than 50,000 AU. That's where long-period comets such as Hale-Bopp are thought to come from. For some time, astronomers have noticed that the directional patterns of these comets are not completely random. And after years of study, some researchers are reporting that the patterns hint at something big out there perturbing the cometary paths.

No telescope has yet detected this object. But on the basis of its gravitational effect, John B. Murray, a planetary scientist at Britain's Open University, speculates that the object could be a planet larger than Jupiter, the biggest of the solar system's known planets. Murray puts the object's orbit at 32,000 AU, or 2.98 trillion miles from the sun. Murray's proposal appears in the Oct. 11 issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

Meanwhile, researchers at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette say the object could be a planet or brown dwarf - that is, a dark, failed star - roughly three times the size of Jupiter and orbiting at 25,000 AU. The researchers, led by physicist John Matese, say their paper has been accepted for publication by the journal Icarus.

Both studies acknowledge that other factors could influence the pattern seen in long-period comets: for example, the Oort Cloud's interactions with passing molecular cloudsor the Milky Way's gravitational tidal effects. But the Louisiana researchers say the cometary patterns are best explained by the existence of "a perturber, acting in concert with the galactic tide."

MORE QUESTIONS

How could such a massive object exist so far from the sun? The researchers say it could have coalesced during the formation of the solar system billions of years ago, or it might have been a passing celestial body captured by the sun's subtle gravitational pull.

Another question: Why hasn't it been seen? Murray says that even a Jupiter-scale planet could not be observed at the immense distances involved. Matese and his colleagues say that their hypothetical brown dwarf wouldn't have been detected even by the Infrared Astronomical Satellite, which surveyed the heavens in 1983 - but that the yet-to- be-launched Space Infrared Telescope Facility just might be able to pick it up.

All this may sound like science fiction, but an expert in the field says the hypothesis makes scientific sense.

"We've all wondered whether there was something out there," said Brian Marsden, who heads the International Astronomical Union's Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams as well as the Minor Planet Center at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory.

He said Wednesday that he wasn't familiar with Murray's research, but noted that Matese "has been working on this sort of thing for several years, so it's reasonable that he would come up with something like this."

If the latest research holds up, it could open the door for renewed speculation on even spookier questions: Some theorists have proposed that the gravitational effect of such a massive object - nicknamed "Nemesis" or the "Death Star" - could set off periodic cometary storms, which would increase the chances of a catastrophic impact with Earth. Indeed, Matese and fellow researcher Daniel Whitmire, who is a co-author of the new research, laid out just such a scenario in 1985 to explain mass extinctions on Earth, such as the demise of the dinosaurs.

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Massive Planet May Lie Beyond Pluto

Royal Astronomical Society News Release

10-7-99

Intrigued by the fact that long-period comets observed from Earth seem to follow orbits that are not randomly oriented in space, a scientist at the Open University in the UK is arguing that these comets could be influenced by the gravity of a large undiscovered object in orbit around the Sun. Writing in the issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society published on 11th October, Dr John Murray sets out a case for an object orbiting the Sun 32,000 times farther away than Earth. It would, however, be extremely faint and slow moving, and so would have escaped detection by present and previous searches for distant planets..

Long-period comets are believed to originate in a vast 'reservoir' of potential comets, known as the Oort cloud, surrounding the solar system at distances between about 10,000 and 50,000 astronomical units from the Sun. (One astronomical unit is approximately the average distance between the Earth and the Sun.) They reach Earth's vicinity in the inner solar system when their usual, remote orbits are disturbed. Only when near to the Sun do these icy objects grow the coma and tails that give them the familiar form of a comet. Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky. He argues that this could mark the wake of some large body moving through space in the outer part of the Oort cloud, giving gravitational kicks to comets as it goes.

The object would have to be at least as massive as Jupiter to create a gravitational disturbance large enough to give rise to the observed effect, but currently favoured theories of how the solar system formed cannot easily explain the presence of a large planet so far from the Sun. If it were ten times more massive than Jupiter, it would be more akin to a brown dwarf (the coolest kind of stellar object) than a planet, brighter, and more likely to have been detected already.

So Dr Murray speculates that such an object, if it exists, will be planetary in nature and will have been captured into its present orbit since the solar system formed, even though the probability of such an event seems low on the basis of current knowledge.

Though a large, distant planet is a fascinating possibility and the evidence is suggestive, Dr Murray nevertheless stresses that he is not ruling out other possible explanations for the observed clustering of the comet orbits.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), October 16, 1999.

Thanks for reminding me Gregg! Will tape it from the archives tomorrow. I saw David when he came to New Zealand in May,he spoke for three and a half hours to a room of only 50 or so people...it was an extremely full on experience and I am so very glad I went to hear him

-- matt (matt@somewhere.nz), October 16, 1999.

12th planet?

Yah right!

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), October 16, 1999.

matt,

he'll be in Denver soon - I plan on going to the seminar - read all his books - he's upset a lot of people precisely because he wades through the BS and speaks the truth - wherever it may lead...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), October 16, 1999.

Andy,

Great post.I read two of his books and what he says makes so much sense to me.The charts astrologers use have 12 houses,thus 12 planets are needed---one for each house as it's ruler,IE: the 4th house's ruling planet is the moon and so on.

-- Maggie (aaa@aaa.com), October 16, 1999.

I'm going to see Icke on the 23rd in Seattle at the Crown Plaza Hotel. (I'll be the one wearing a red carnation).

Icke's latest book, The Biggest Secret, contains a treasure-trove of information about the people who imagine themselves to be our owners, and the extent of their control and influence. I've had some reactions of extreme nausea as I've learned about this. It's not suprising that some folks post on this forum, essentially screaming "NOOOOO!!!" with their fingers in their ears.

David's analogy is pretty apt: of trying to tell the other cows that, when they are loaded the big truck, they're not being taken to another field, but to a house of knives where they're packaged and sold to people like the farmer, to eat. Reptoids aside, just trying to explain that the same bankers funded all sides of WWII, for example, is just such an uphill battle: the cow says "MOOOO!!!"

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), October 16, 1999.