Brent, I checked sections 1445-1 and 1445-2, and I don't see any way to qualify for tax exempt status. It seems the code was revised this year, and the only exemptions I see are for foreign entities and those covered by tax exempt treaties between nations.

If you don't mind, could you elaborate on your story (Tell us how you do) ?

Thanks

-- Hillbilly (Hillblly@pussum.creek), October 12, 1999

Answers

I believe if you go to the Code of Federal Regulations you will find a section in 1445 that says if you give a statement of citizenship to the payer of the income that you are a citizen of the United States he doesn't withhold any tax from you. This statement is sent to Philadelphia. But hey the IRS is going down anyway so who ca

-- Taxing Question (jhock34981@hotmail.com), October 12, 1999.

Well, there was something in 1445-2 about receiving an early refund of all exempt taxes paid in (this year?) and I'd kinda like to get that $13,000 back right about now and go out and stimulate the economy, if you catch my drift.

-- Hillbilly (Hillbilly@possum.creek), October 12, 1999.

Hillbilly- The above post by "Taxing Question" has it correct. That is exactly what I did. The IRS instructed me to fill out a W-4 and write 999 in the box. Federal Income Tax has never been witheld from my pay since that day. I have not heard from the IRS since then, either :)

For information purposes I also requested IRS publication 515. It also explains this, somewhat. It took me a few tries of reading before I was able to understand it. Keep at it :) It's worth it, believe me!

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 12, 1999.

Brent, either one of two things has occurred.

1. The amount of tax you owe is not worth the IRS's trouble.

2. You have slipped between the cracks of their database.

Everyone who earns income is subject to federal income tax. Don't pay it and you will probably lose more than you didn't pay, or serve jail time. If it was this easy, don't you think Leona Helmsley could have avoided the slammer?

-- a (a@a.a), October 12, 1999.

a- Exactly where in Title 26 U.S.C. does it say "Everyone who earns income is subject to federal income tax."?? Or anything like that??

For any tax (there are several in Title 26) it has to state along these lines "so-and so is liable to pay ***** Tax." to be legal. If such a statement is not in the Law, then I have no Legal Liability to pay. Oh, and check out section 7806.

www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/7806.html

This section states, in part: "No inference, implication, or presumption of legislative construction shall be drawn or made by reason of the location or grouping of any particular section or provision or portion of this title, nor shall any table of contents, table of cross references, or similar outline, analysis, or descriptive matter relating to the contents of this title be given any legal effect. The preceding sentence also applies to the sidenotes and ancillary tables contained in the various prints of this Act before its enactment into law."

Now, what that mouthfull means to me is that Title 26, Subtitle A, Chapter 1, Subchapter a, "Determination of Tax Liability" has NO LEGAL MEANING. This does not, in and of itself, make anyone liable for Income Tax.

To follow the above craziness regarding just the FINDING of said subchapter, click here to start. Then follow thru the above 'map' of instruction.

SO, the aforementioned subchapter does not meet the liability requirment. Hence, I see no legal requirment to pay something that I am not liable for.

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 12, 1999.

sorry about the above attempts at links...

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 12, 1999.

Try, try again....LOL :)

section 7806

HERE!!

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 12, 1999.

and again....NOT funny now :(

section 7806

HERE!!

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 12, 1999.

Every US citizen who earns income working in the US is subject to federal income tax. Now, it may turn out that with deductions, credits, allowances etc that you do not owe any money. But you are subject to filing a tax return. Is it legal? Hell if I know. But they WILL come for you if you buck the system.

Like I said, either

1. The amount of tax you owe is not worth the IRS's trouble.

2. You have slipped between the cracks of their database.

They've probably got bigger fish to fry.

-- a (a@a.a), October 12, 1999.

Ahhh, but I'm not bucking the system - I'm following the Law. After all, we are a country of Law...Right??

Oh, according to the definitions section of Title 26, (14)Taxpayer: The term ''taxpayer'' means any person subject to any internal revenue tax. ...hmmm, so If I am NOT subject to any internal revenue tax, then I'm not a taxpayer. If I'm not a taxpayer, then I do not need to file a return...it's in there, believe it or not, you just have to look.

Hey a, I know that you believe that you, we ALL owe taxes...after all, it has been drilled into us since we were children. Hell, it was drilled into our parents since they were children: "Only two things are certain in Life -Death and Taxes." hahahhahaha,hehehehehe, ho.

Well, I don't see it clearly explained in the law, I have asked the IRS to point it out to me, they have not. SO, if/when they ever hit me with "failure to file" or some such...I have my legal route planned out. I am following my concience and the Law.

Luck and Liberty

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 12, 1999.

Brent,

You are in for a rude awakening. The IRS works very slowly, but they'll eventually get around to you. As "a" said, they aren't worried about you yet because you're not like Willie Nelson, you're small potatoes. The longer they stall it off in however, the better for them and the worse for you, because they will charge you interest at a rate of at least 12-14% and penalties.

You are talking to someone who has first-hand experience not at cheating, but an honest mistake. It was something like a $300 mistake which they did not even bring to my attention until 4 or 5 years afterwards. By the time they got finished nailing me with interest and penalties and late fees, I think they got me for something like $1800. And I'll guarantee you dealing with the IRS is a MAJOR pain the the ass.

I don't see anything in the terminology about not being a "taxpayer", just some stuff about aliens and buying property. Are you self- employed? A non-resident alien? I don't get it.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 13, 1999.

If you file, like Leona Helmsley, you have admitted to being a "taxpayer", so if you don't "do it right" according to the IRS' rules, they have the right to screw you over.

If you are not a "taxpayer" and don't file, you are actually in a much better position vs. the IRS than a filer.

http://www.edrivera.com
http://www.ottoskinner.com

-- A (A@AisA.com), October 13, 1999.

There's an article in the paper today about the IRS going after John Travolta for taxes owed on moneys earned in 1993 - 1996.

It make take them a while, but rest assured, the IRS will come a'knockin'.

Deano - who thinks if EVERYONE paid 10% we'd be alright.

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), October 13, 1999.

a--

you said: Every US citizen ...

Do you know what is meant by US citizen? Do you know what the IRS means by US citizen? Can you explain it to me? I have heard some interesting things, and am still trying to prove it for myself. I would be interested in what you have to say.

George

-- George Valentine (georgevalentine@usa.net), October 13, 1999.

Then there are the issues of: "The People" (capital P), Who are "The People?";..."people" (small p); state citizenship, of which there is a large movement in many states; right vs. privilege to travel/drive (I'll have to find the URL for all the 'State' agencies that are underwritten by the IRS, including many State Depts. of Motor Vehicles); and last but not least federal zones overlaying state zones. I'll try to find those URLs ASAP.

-- Donna (moment@pacbell.net), October 13, 1999.

@ - (that is a different handle when repling to...just doesn't look right. like my spelling :) You say "I don't see anything in the terminology about not being a "taxpayer", just some stuff about aliens and buying property. Are you self- employed? A non-resident alien? I don't get it." Which section are you reading or talking about when you say that?? There are the two 'bodies' of written material; United States Code (the LAW) and Code of Federal Regulations (NOT the law). The CFR is written by the IRS; it's purpose is to help "we the People" in understanding the tax code. (personally, I think they have the same type of people writing the CFR and the USC. How about WE the people fire them :) The USC is what I refer to 90% of the time when I speak/write about my efforts to be Legal. As far as I can determine, there is not a single statement in the whole of title 26 USC that makes ANYONE liable for Income Tax. There are statements such as these: US Code : Title 26, Section 5005
US Code as of: 01/26/98 Sec. 5005. Persons liable for tax (a) General The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed thereon by section 5001 (a)(1). (b) Domestic... US Code : Title 26, Section 5703
US Code as of: 01/26/98 Sec. 5703. Liability for tax and method of payment (a) Liability for tax (1) Original liability The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes...
There are two groups that have been offering rewards to anyone that can find the statement of law that makes anyone liable for Income Tax. IF you can find it, by all means go collect the reward money and then please let me know :)

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 13, 1999.

Deano- Part of the problem is that we have been conditioned to think that we OWE tax. We are conditioned to accept the fact that taxes will rise, there will be more of them, etc. All that does is lead to bigger government, more bureaucracy, and more Tryanny. Do we really want that??

Now, I agree that we need "some" government. And if they don't listen to "we the people" then I find it appropriate that WE choose not to pay them. To me it is one small step in moving towards a revolution. Just like it was in the early 1770's.

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 13, 1999.

George: I'm no expert, but I would say anyone with a US birth certificate or naturalization papers is a US citizen. I would assume this is the definition used by IRS.

-- a (a@a.a), October 13, 1999.

Brent,

Aaah, I see, so it isn't what it SAYS, it's what it DOESN'T SAY! Veeery clever, d'ya think they'll buy it? Why did you specifically point out those 2 sections if there is nothing in there that makes you exempt? How do you stop them from garnishing your wages or throwing your ass in jail, since that is what they will do anyway, regardless of what all this stuff says.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 13, 1999.

George,

I think I might be able to help "a" out on that one. I think the Social Security number is the key, that's really how they have control over all of us isn't it? If you don't have a SSN good luck getting a job. And if you have one, of course you have to write it on those little W-2 (or W-4?) forms when you take a job. Then they gotcha, because if you don't pay they'll garnish.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 13, 1999.

Another way of looking at it: By filing a 1040 and signing it at the bottom, I am violating my 5th amendment rights by incriminating myself with a document that the IRS can then use in court against me. It even says at the bottom of the 1040 "You must sign this under penalty of law." and then references a section of law that states they can use this document against you.

So, I am not filing a 1040 because I can not be legally compelled to give up my rights.

One more thing that I would like to point out. The IRS is backlogged. Every one of US that resists them is one more case that they have to get to eventually. With enough people resisting or NOT paying Income Tax, it will become impossible to deal with all of the cases in a reasonable amout of time.

It's either that or start throwing Tea into the harbor :)

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 13, 1999.

@ or A (are you the same sentience?? LOL:)

Yep, they can attempt to steal my money from me before it gets to me. Of course, they can always try that!! That's what the 2nd amendment is for :)

I am attempting to get a new job without giving my SSN as I don't want any part of the Social Security system. This IS still legal, it's just part of our indoctrination that most of us think that we need a social security number to get a job. The law requires your employer to ask you for it; that is all. Some people have gotten jobs without a number for religious reasons, so I see no Theoretical problem about it. Unfortunately, I know that there will be resistance to it, by the prospective employer, because people are sheeple nowadays.

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 13, 1999.

Sorry @, I missed this the first,(and second and third) time around. I am happy that this thread is garnering attention :)

You said:"Why did you specifically point out those 2 sections if there is nothing in there that makes you exempt?"

Those two sections are only to stop the witholding from your pay of Federal Income Tax. That is all.

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 13, 1999.

Brent: What are you willing to risk in order to determine if the courts will see it your way?

Are you expecting conjugal visits???

-- Aangelic1 (Aangelic1@Yahoo.com), October 14, 1999.

Many of you obviously have not visited the sites I mentioned above, posted here again, below. Willy Nelson, Travolta, Helmsely and MOST OF YOU have declared, by filing, that you are taxpayers. If you want to stop paying income tax, you have to establish your status as a non-tax-payer (which includes revoking your signature on documents, including tax returns, that place you in a taxpayer status).

I repeat:

If you file, like Leona Helmsley, you have admitted to being a taxpayer", so if you don't "do it right" according to the IRS' rules, they have the right to screw you over.

If you are not a "taxpayer" and don't file, you are actually in a much better position vs. the IRS than a filer.

http://www.edrivera.com
http://www.ottoskinner.com

-- A (A@AisA.com), October 14, 1999.

A- I don't file :) I fully agree with you, I am not a taxpayer, thus I do not need to file. That statement is founded in USC title 26.

AAngelic1 - Of course I expect conjugals Honey...but don't worry there isn't a jail built yet that's gonna keep me away from you :)

(side note to forum regulars- Aangelic1 is the woman I love. I directed her to this site so she could read more of what I've told her.)

-- Brent James Bushardt (brentj@webt.com), October 14, 1999.