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When do you think that FEMA / the president will declare an emergency and take control of the grocery stores? Are there any good places to buy bulk food in New England? What about can goods?

-- Hiding..... (Hiding_from@nowhere.com), October 08, 1999

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SOON Get everything you can before it is to late,

may sound crazy but would rather be crazy than have my future children call me a COWARD!!! becuse i was afraid of what my friends might call me ,

CENTER MASS AND SQUEEEESE!

MONGO

-- MONGO (rjcash@fred.net), October 08, 1999.


"They" have already been practicing on us. As hurricane Floyd turned north and away from the Florida coastline, Gov. Jeb Bush with the wonderful bi-partisan cooperation of our President declared Florida a disaster area. Cute. At that point, (drum roll) FEMA was in charge and there wasn't even anything to be in charge of except the evacuation. It was FEMA that gave the all clear to open bridges to the barrier islands. Next time a hurricane heads to Florida, I am going to purchase a small boat as part of preparations. FEMA will never again keep me from the beachside (I hope).

I like Jeb Bush. I don't think he wanted to do that. Someone had him do that. He couldn't look the camera straight on during the press conference. Heads up folks, I am convinced "they" will declare martial law. They can already taste the excitement of controlling the sheeple. Not much we can do except prepare mentally. The line between a big problem with it and total chaos is that most of the people that will be enforcing the martial law have families of their own and for many of them their families will come first.

-- the Virginian - I havent been able to find Trampus, anyone seen Hoss? (Nowheretohide@Ponderosa.ranch), October 08, 1999.


I think he already has enacted some directives and orders.

This has been done under the cloak and protection of national security and national secrets. It is possible to disguise almost anything if you have enough power and the desire to use it.

Do you remember the White House meeting months ago that hosted the heads of media and industry?

The Press Secretary, Joe Lockhart said in a news conference, when asked questions about the secret meeting (paraphrasing): 'The fact that there was a meeting is common knowledge. Who was in attendance and what was discussed is classified and will not be discussed.'

There are many clues that we are currently experiencing a controlled and directed series of moves centering on buying time.

If this situation were not contrived, wouldn't editors and publishers be screaming for frontpage stories?

The only large, interconnected, uncontrollable media is the Internet and forums such as this one.

Also, there have been joint decisions made in secret within industries to control information and coordinate activities for 'public safety'. Why hasn't the mainstream press been interested in looking at this and asking questions?

Short leash, perhaps?

Obviously the reaction speed of the press is inordinately slow. They are in slow motion. And the subject matter that they do cover more often falls into the sensational or heartstring variety. And yet the press is suspiciously quiet on questions of legitimate preparation and possible meltdowns.

I see smoke and mirrors. I see complicity.

I see a hoodwinked citizenry.

Most important is the silence of those in government.

If they are not hiding secrets of great magnitude, then why haven't they spoken openly to their constituents.

We should ask and expect straight answers from our 'elected' officials.

We put them there to serve us. Not the other way around.

The bad news along with the good news should be shared with the adults. We are not children.

We are citizens with every right that the constitutions allow. Not just the US Constitution, but the State Constitutions provide control over the unwarranted expansion of power by our elected officials.

State governments should demand accountability of Federal Officials who may be usurping the strict guidelines in our various constitutions.

At no time in our country's past, has the potential for wrong doing seemed so great and the citizens seemed so out of touch.

-- no talking please (breadlines@soupkitchen.gov), October 08, 1999.


Hiding,

IN SW Ohio there are several Amish bulk food stores. One is Keim Family Market (Route 32, 30 minutes East of Cincinnati. Another is the whole town of Kidron, Ohio home of Lehmans Hardware.

The Amish quality is excellent and their materials wonderful.

However now we are going direct to THEIR supplier, Dutch Valley Foods in Myertown Pa. You must be a co-op and order hundreds of pounds of food. One catalog is sent to a lead person free, each addition one is $2.00 (or you can copy it, they do not mind). One person in your co-op group is in charge of ordering and collecting monies, etc. Anybody can be a "co-op", in our case it will be our church.

Phone number for Dutch Valley Foods, 1-800-733-4191, and their fax # is: (717) 933-5466. Up to 500 lbs. is sent UPS, after that, Dutch Valley Foods has their own trucking service to deliver stuff to you at more savings.

-- Bill P (porterwn@one.net), October 08, 1999.


New England Preps :

There is the New England Storehouse www.mv.com/ipusers/nestorehouse (603)563-7070 Ask for Tom Villenuve (Tell him Steve sent you)

There is a group of us that get together on a monthly basis for dinner. Send me an e-mail if you are interested in being included.

Also I am working on a group purchase of can goods at a discount. Hopefully I will have the particulars worked out by next friday.

-- ExCop (Yinadral@juno.com), October 08, 1999.



Here's the answer to your question:

Just short of Martial Law??


-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), October 08, 1999.

Ashton & Leska, when do you think Clinton will declare a "National Emergency" and/or declare Martial Law? My best guess is just after Christmas (can't disrupt that holiday shopping!).

-- Ohio Bob (ohiobob@buckeyestate.com), October 08, 1999.

Ohio, we have a friend who knows ppl in high & low places. He says that TPTB are definitely planning a mass USA catastrophic terroristic attack to soften the populace to martial law, etc. and implement their controls plan. These slime think the "sacrifice" is worth it.

This source has been correct in the past.

Now, pre TB2K, we would have scoffed this off as lunatic ravings, utterly laughable.

But there's enough evidence to believe it. We believe it. We see all signs pointing to it. We see the public being increasingly "prepared" to accept it.

The good citizens of our wonderful country ARE being set up. By whom, why, escapes us, but we're sad, frustrated at how asleep most are. But you know what? We're also very peaceful now. Spiritually very happy. Ready to die. Neutron bomb (one of the "contingency" plans for rioting/fires) or nuke bomb or *quick* chemical/bio weapon -- it would be better than many cancers we see. Better than a hungry mob shooting us to get at our TP.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), October 08, 1999.


Ashton @ Leska,

What is a neutron bomb?Would you say major cities would be the more likely targets from the bombs and chemical/bio weapons?

You have mentioned Nov.1st and Dec.1st dates before,what is importance of these dates?

Would you say the bomb('s) and or the chemical/bio weapon would be used prior to the end of this year?

-- Maggie (aaa@aaa.com), October 08, 1999.


When do you think that FEMA / the president will declare an emergency... AFTER a "real" emergency emerges.

Maggie, see...

ABC Report on Bio-Terrorist Attack

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001VYX

... for a "likely" scenario. ABC thinks so. So do the dot gov's and dot mil's. Question is... who starts it... and why? (And unfortunately... don't rule out our own... "special forces." *Sigh*)

May the Divine have mercy on us all.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), October 08, 1999.



Ashton & Leska I too believe that tptb are planning for martial law and many are asleep. But what about we that are watching. What are we to do and where is a place of safety? Guess we all need to be ready spiritually...

-- (I Believe (Repent@time is now.com)), October 08, 1999.

Ashton & Leska, thanks for your answer to my question. Does your friend have any idea of when this attack might take place? I would think it would have to happen prior to December 31st of this year to be really effective. BTW, I hope your friend is totally wrong!

-- Ohio Bob (ohiobob@buckeyestate.com), October 08, 1999.

Thanks Diane for the info provided.I had already read the thread and posted on it,plus read articles on anthrax.I have watched and taped the last three Nightline broadcast on anthrax.I don't doubt what they are saying.

When Ashton and Leska posted--neutron bomb(one of the "contingncy" plans for rioting//fires)or nuke bomb or *quick* chemical/bio weapon-- it reminded me of something c4ixxx said "do we see circumstances where we will be asked to perform an unconscionable order?Yes-- c4i".The date on this post is June 10,1999.

I don't know what a neutron bomb is capable(sp?)of.Something I never thought I would need to know but,now want the information.Yes,an event then emergency declared.

-- Maggie (aaa@aaa.com), October 08, 1999.


This neutron bomb supposedly is used to kill all living things (depending on oxygen) but leaves buildings intact. In other words, real estate and tangible wealth is OK after a few days, but the ppl and animals expire right away. Something about radiation and intense oxygen depletion. We didn't know what it was either so used Sherlock on our Mac to search, found this site, very interesting:

Types of Nuclear Weapons

Doesn't say anything there about oxygen, and says neutron bombs have been retired. Officially maybe, or maybe this is a secret "new & improved" model? Military & bomb stuff is the last thing we know anything about. Anyway allegedly it is a bomb that could be "applied" to a select area, say where rioting had "gotten out of control" and would dispatch (instantly do in) the "troublemakers" and "save" the "neighborhood" ie. buildings. We asked if trees & vegetation & gardens would be affected and he didn't know.

When, sometime in next year. Two different cities, one large. To "set an example and rationalization." Also a bio-weapon attack.

Hope none of this is accurate and never comes to pass. The source said this information is becoming common knowledge in certain circles. Anybody else heard this?

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), October 08, 1999.


Yeah Maggie,

I've watched each night. Tonight's the last. DOES NOT give me warm fuzzies.

But then... y'all remember early in the year when I pieced together, then, that a main player at FEMA, Mike Walker, was appointed there by Clinton to be in charge of Y2K AND Terrorism?

Diane

See...

LINKS: Know Your FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency)

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 000NRV



-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), October 08, 1999.



Diane,the link that you provided is a weeks worth of reading.I book marked the link to go back to later.Thanks.

-- Maggie (aaa@aaa.com), October 09, 1999.

A&L,

Thanks for the info.Now another question on the Bio weapon attack that you spoke of,did your source say if it would be a localized event like a subway,etc or a wide spread out area via a plane or missile?

-- Maggie (aaa@aaa.com), October 09, 1999.


We're already under emergency measures. The question is when it become more visible? By the end of 1997 the powers that be knew the nation had lost the war against Y2K, by mid 1998 the nation was under emergency effort to retain capitalism and the Republic Democracy.

It'll be more visible when the stakes are more threatened. A nation trying to dog paddle to stay afloat can't have Los Angeles, Miami, and New York city burn down due to a violent underclass as an example.

I do think there will be an event, and quietly with discretion troops will emerge in some areas around stores and banks, it'll take people by surprise, the reason being that the powers that be suspect 300 million people are going to hear about the event and fall into mass hysteria. That mass hysteria as 300 million all hit the stores, banks and "go to the country" at the same time would instigate the higher stakes being threatened by riots and rage such as buildings and infrastructures worth billions and billions of dollars.

When it emerges where it can be seen it will be a heavy foot stamping out "hysteria" at a trivial level and in effect catching it off guard before it can snowball.

That is my guess anyway.

-- Paula (chowbabe@pacbell.net), October 09, 1999.


Hmmmm... good question. Is Clinton going to make the announcement of a National Emergency before Greenspan raises interest rates November 16, or is he going to let the stock market crash happen first, and then declare an emergency? Either way, it might be hard to get a good turkey for Thanksgiving, so I think I'm going to go get mine right now. Gobble, gobble!!

-- @ (@@@.@), October 09, 1999.

What is TPTB?

I have seen this acronym so often but have not been able to figure it out. Please help.

PS. I hate acronyms.

sdb

-- S. David Bays (SDBAYS@prodigy.net), October 09, 1999.


THE POWERS THAT BE

(God save us)

-- @ (@@@.@), October 09, 1999.


Thank you "a".

God bless you.

sdb

-- S. David Bays (SDBAYS@prodigy.net), October 09, 1999.


Glad to help when possible my friend. Truth is I've struggled with an awful lot of those myself! Becoming a chatmeister is like learning a foreign language. I'm pretty sure there are some web sites that explain these things. If I find a good one perhaps I'll put a link up for the "acronym impaired" among us.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 09, 1999.

A&L You were REALLY close on the neutron bomb effects, but NOT quite. the N bomb kills by irradiating everything within a specific radius of ground zero with a heavy dose of ionizing radiation, which happens to be neutrons. It works "best" if it is a fairly high altitude "sky burst" which also helps with EMP effects. The irradiation kills fairly quiclky, and leaves everything standing.

Chuck

And happy dinner time to YOU too.

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), October 09, 1999.


Hey Chuck,

Would you happen to know the effective radius of a standard size EMP weapon? In other words, if someone uses one of these things over the U.S. would it take out one city, a couple states, or the whole country... any guesses on that?

-- @ (@@@.@), October 09, 1999.


SDBAYS,
If you're still out there, here's a few links for acronyms. Wow, the language is even more extensive than I thought! Now I know what some of those strange symbols mean. Have fun.
http://www.scholars .com/public/acronyms.htm
http://www.phenix cable.net/~jtrant/jargon.htm
http://www.rollanet. org/chat/acronyms.html


-- @ (@@@.@), October 10, 1999.

A EMP (Enhanced Magnetic Pulse) weapon is effectvie (could be effective! - none have been "tested" in the open atmosphere yet!) over a very wide area - from space, over as much as 1/3 - 1/4 the hemisphere.

They discovered this effect when a high-altitude (90-120,000 foot elevation) atmospheric blast in the south pacific in the early 60's wiped out early computers, radio traffic, and ground commnunication and reception from Hawaii to Los Angeloa, and parts further north towards Seattle and Vancouver. (Not too sure of the effect now, but essentially all unshielded electronics would be destroyed (burned out) by a big enough blast.

Scenrios usually have one high altitude blast in space occuring to wipe out radio, comm's, and all unshielded electronics, then a series of regular ground-based nuclear explosions to do the rest of the damage.

Military radios and computers (in the field - not supply and office systems) are shielded - virtually nothing else is.

---

nuetron bombs are as discribed: they are designed to minimize the shock and blast effects (though these effects are not eliminated - say, about a half-mile area is destroyed completely, rather than a two-three mile radius of complete destruction.) The enhanced radiation weapons (a better term) increases the number of nuetrons emmitted from the blast so the ground troops and enemy tank troops are killed/disabled - despite being shielded by their bunkers, trenches, or tank armor.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT NUETRON BOMBS. We (the US) don't have any - since Reagan, Bush, and Clinton have decide not to make any. In fact, reagan, Bush, and Clinton decied not even to actually test any of our designs.

So you can't get hit by a US nuetron bomb.

However, Clinton sold access to the nuclear labs where they were designed to the Red Chinese. And they (the Red Chinese) DID build and test them.

So they have these bombs. We don't.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), October 10, 1999.


You just know how to "make my day" Robert!

Groan.

Sitting on the U.S. coast toasty side... closest to China. (Well, maybe Alaska actually gets that honor. The rest of us are close enough).

Course, maybe "the big one" will get us in Silicon Valley instead.

*Sigh*

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), October 10, 1999.


Thanks Robert. This is not good news. So theoretically, one weapon detonated at the proper altitude could take out the entire country. Then would come the nuke missiles or some kind of bio-agent. I wonder if the North Koreans had an EMP inside that mystery satellite they launched last year. I bet there are several of those things up there.

-- @ (@@@.@), October 10, 1999.

Finally got back to this thread -- thanks to all who explained further! But do any of you *believe* that the US has none of these powerful "disrupters" left over, hidden anywhere?

And it is beyond incomprehensibly stooooooopid that any squirt in the USA would facilitate the technology to be developed elsewhere, much less sold, egads. And then the fact that hardly anybody seems to notice or care -- one huge buncha sleepwalking mammon-hypnotized cud-chewing humanicows shuffling to the slaughter without even adjusting their rosy blinders ...

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), October 12, 1999.


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