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FRIDAY, OCTOBER 1, 1999 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- How far will Clinton go? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like very much to share your sunny view in 'Reality Check' that the Clinton administration would not dare to attempt an actual overthrow of the U.S. Constitution. It is hideous to even conceive of such an act, but in an age when the federal government has assumed or is able to assume quickly, the vital functions of society, I urge you to re-consider what I fear is your misplaced optimism.

Even as I write this to you, there are pre-signed Executive Orders which authorize the president to seize control of banking, communications, transportation, vital resources, food, water, medical services, you name it: the feds already have a hook on it. It may indeed be unthinkable for an American president to attempt to establish a perpetual regime which will not have to answer to voters, but in the case of Bill Clinton, who is by all indications a certain sociopath, how can anyone be secure? Even if he failed to achieve such an aim, what damage would certainly be wrought?

Consider this, Mr. Metcalf: December 1999 arrives and all vacation leaves are canceled through January for federal, state and local law enforcement agencies. (This has already been established.) On Dec 31, Clinton addresses the nation and announces that due to the "threat of domestic terrorism during the Y2K period" that he is declaring a state of "unlimited national emergency."

National Guard troops are mobilized, and the "mainstream media" (NBC/ABC/CBS/CNN/FOX) are instructed via the FCC to cease operations and to broadcast only "federally authorized news and information." The banks shut down their operations to "protect the depositors," air, rail and bus terminals are commandeered by troops "to protect the public," and America begins the year 2000 with a new government, directed by FEMA. Congress is all but dissolved (executive orders prohibit the Congress from reviewing any martial law declarations for a minimum of six months -- check it out for yourself), and if our papers are "not in order," you can bet that we'll be looking out the wrong side of a barbed wire fence somewhere in remote Kansas. Think it can't happen? The government controls the media, the government controls the message, the government portrays all who resist it as "domestic terrorists," who of course will be shot on sight. Think again.

If it were anyone but Bill Clinton in the White House, I might be inclined to agree with you, but as it is -- are your papers in order Mr. Metcalf? They say Kansas is a pretty state with the wintertime snow as far as you can see, not a soul in sight except for those gun towers and razor-wire fences. ... JOHN REYNOLDS

-- Uncle Bob (UNCLB0B@Y2KOK.ORG), October 01, 1999

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How far will Clinton go?

Almost ALL the way. But will stop short of Knocking us up...ask Monica!

-- K.Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), October 01, 1999.

Good for you, Uncle B.

I'm just remembering how I used to look at this stuff. It used to be a cheap thrill, to ponder "conspiracy theory" material on the web. It was kind of an art brut/organic sci-fi entertainment experience, with the added bonus that I could feel smug about not being delusional like THOSE people.

Then one day I looked a little deeper. I looked up the Executive Orders and read. Then I read some more. I did a search on "E.O.s" and found a lot more material. Some of it loony, almost calculated to look ridiculous. But more than enough was real, and grounded in fact, to be very disturbing indeed. Even more disturbing was/is the silence of the media on this handover of power to the Executive. We have an Emperor; there HAS been a "state of emergency" in effect, periodically renewed since 1933, that allows E.O.'s to be put into effect. They ARE as draconian as Uncle Bob writes - more so. All you have to do is look. But that threatens those who don't want their entertainment to end. They shake their heads and repeat "it could never happen" like a mantra, warding off fate. Well, that won't work. If you don't want to happen, you have to expend some effort to make sure it doesn't happen. The first step in that process is admitting that, yes, we do have a serious problem after all.

We really shouldn't be suprised. Our Republic has been tending toward centralized authoritarian control, and away from our Constitution, since the Civil War. More and more power has been put into the hands of the Executive. Now police break in doors and shoot innocent people with impunity, in every city in the nation; or they seize and liquidate everything their victims own without even charging them with a crime. We just yawn and change the channel. Podiums are pounded, lies are told, victims are demonized; we WANT to believe that government is not hopelessly corrupt. We WANT to believe that those who don't believe in absolute Federal power are "anti-government," and probably evil terrorists. The media has made us so afraid that we WANT to draw our wagons into a snug little totalitarian circle, Constitution be damned. We've forgotten how to think, and it's gotten to the point where those who do think are considered mad, or bad. Soon we will be dangerous to know. These Executive Orders will be the "final solution" for the government's problem with people-who-think. It's happened over and over again, all over the world, to every race: dissidents are rounded up, "disappeared" in the "state of emergency," and are never seen again. We've been warned by insiders: Huxley, in "Brave New World," Orwell, in "1984," Levine, in "This Perfect Day." Hell, we're still being warned by survivors of Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Mussolini - but we wave them away, poor, traumatized fools that they are, because "it could never happen here." We "know" that, without researching, without questioning. Even after Waco. Even after a President is proven to be in the pay of a hostile foreign power. Even after the local militarized SWAT team shoots a woman for running to protect her children - "no problem, they told her to 'freeze', so she shouldn't have moved. So what if they attacked the wrong house; they're entitled to a few mistakes, right?" This is how it happens. One house, one block at a time. We do nothing, cower in our homes and say nothing on our block, accept the canned rationalization for robbery and murder. "After all, we have nothing to fear if we haven't done anything wrong, right?" And so goes the Nation. But history shows that after they kill the dissidents and intellectuals, they go after anyone who sticks out. Or anyone who's fingered by a neighbor who has a grudge. Or they pick people at random, just to set an example.

Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), October 01, 1999.

A few years ago I would have thought Uncle Bob and Liberty to be a pair of nutcases. But, then came Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Bimbo in the White house, Swat teams and ATF hitting the wrong houses and killing innocent people. I never ever even imagined our government would have murdered people the way they did at Waco. I wept when I saw it happening, and felt sick at the lies and excuses afterwards. However, Janet Reno said she accepted full responsibility and that seemed to make it all be ok again. Ruby Ridge. I don't give a damn WHAT the guy did. When in God's name did the FBI get the idea that shooting and killing an unarmed women standing still and holding a baby could be anything but NAZI Germany style murder? And the B------ who did it?? What happened to him? Oh sure, he's gotta live with it for the rest of his life. I can think of a lot better way to punish him. And of course, our fearless leader. Our overpaid congress has shown by their votes(over 50 of 'em) that it is perfectly ok to lie under oath, obstruct justice, shame your country, your office, humiliate your family-----No big deal. Nutcases?? Unfortunately, they and many others, but not nearly enough others, are realists with their eyes wide open but not staring dumbly at a TV set. They are thinking, which is becoming a lost art for too many of us. I thank you for your posts and agree completely with both of you. Hope springs eternal, but it ain't jumping very high here in my hills. Kentucky Bill

-- George W Berge (gberge@kih.net), October 01, 1999.

I believe that as history has shown, governments tend to go corrupt. The saying is "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." The tendency is for powerful people to want to maintain and even gather more power. History has show that there are always people who want to run the government whatever form it is, and tell everyone else what to do. I see nothing to dissuade me from that opinion regarding our United States goverment. Because governments tend toward corruption, our Founding Fathers being the great students of history up to their time, saw that tendency and tried to build safeguards into our Constitution and Bill of Rights to thwart that eventuality. The Second Amendment, supported by the numerous quotes about being necessary against tyranny, was one of the foundation Amendments. It is expected as a "given" that citizens be responsible for protecting their liberties, first in the polling place and then in the streets. The necessity to protect our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness falls to everyone. Tyrants will respond to nothing but force when they have taken that step. Let us not be a nation of cowards.

-- Daniel Pierce (PierceDa@kennecott.com), October 01, 1999.