Does anyone know the URL that has the "Friends" of Bill list? This is a list of people associated with Bill Clinton that have died.

-- FOX (Ardrinc@aol.com), October 01, 1999

Answers

http://www.devvy.com/death_list.html

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), October 01, 1999.

Thanks Mumsie!

The URL did not work but I found it on the home page. What a site! I bookmarked it.

-- FOX (ardrinc@aol.com), October 01, 1999.

lwmb@psln.com), October 01, 1999.

That was weird.

LINK

Does anyone know anything about the Starbucks murderer (who killed Mary Mahoney and 2 others) being caught recently? Cory mentioned it in passing, but I can't find any news about it.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), October 01, 1999.

The notorious Clinton Body Count has been thoroughly discredited.

BODY COUNT

You just give credence to the idea of a vast right wing conspiracy when you peddle this trash.

-- gotta keep you honest (debunker@somewhere.not), October 01, 1999.

to answer Linda's question, from the above link:

Former White House intern Mary Caitrin Mahoney, 25, manager of a Georgetown Starbucks, was killed along with two co-workers (Emory Allen Evans, 25 and Aaron David Goodrich, 18) on 6 July 1997 during what police continue to investigate as a robbery of the shop. In March 1999 Carl Derek Havord Cooper (29) of Washington was arrested and charged with these murders.

Yes, it is unusual that three employees were shot in the course of an alleged robbery, yet nothing was taken. However, no evidence has been uncovered to indicate that Mary Mahoney herself was the target of these killings. Perhaps the robber was scared away before he had a chance to grab the loot. Maybe one of Mary's co-workers was the real target. Why Cooper committed these killings is anybody's guess at this point, but there simply is no evidence that Mary was anything but a random victim of a violent crime.

-- keeping you honest (debunker@nowhere.not), October 01, 1999.

You must be a former attorney for a mafia family. You sound like one.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), October 01, 1999.

Give it up INVAR. Clinton is bad news, but he's not Beelzebub. From the above link:

We shouldn't have to tell anyone not to believe this claptrap, but we will anyway. In a frenzied media climate where the Chief Executive can't boff a White House intern without the whole world finding out every niggling detail of each encounter and demanding his removal from office, are we seriously to believe the same man has been having double handfuls of detractors and former friends murdered with impunity?

Don't be swayed by the number of names listed on screeds like this. Any public figure is bound to have a much wider circle of acquaintance than an ordinary citizen would. Moreover, the acquaintance is often one-sided -- though many of the people enumerated on this list might properly claim to have known Clinton, he wouldn't know or remember having met a great number of them.

"Body count" lists are not a new phenomenon. Lists documenting all the allegedly "suspicious" deaths of persons connected with the assassination of John F. Kennedy have been circulating for decades, and the same techniques used to create and spread the JFK lists have been employed in the Clinton version:

• List every dead person with even the most tenuous of connections to your subject. It doesn't matter how these people died, or how tangential they were to your subject's life. The longer the list, the more impressive it looks and the less likely anyone is to challenge it. By the time readers get to the bottom of the list, they'll be too weary to wonder what could possibly be relevant about the death of Clinton's mother's chiropractor.
• Play word games. Make sure every death is presented as "mysterious." All accidental deaths are to be labelled "suspicious," even though by definition accidents occur when something unexpected goes wrong. Every self-inflicted death discussed must include the phrase "ruled a suicide," to imply just the opposite. When an autopsy contradicts a "mysterious death" theory, dispute it; when none was performed because none was needed, claim that "no autopsy was allowed." Make liberal use of words such as 'allegedly' and 'supposedly' to dismiss facts you can't contradict with hard evidence.
• Make sure every inconsistency or unexplained detail you can dredge up is offered as evidence of a conspiracy, no matter how insignificant or pointless it may be. If an obvious suicide is discovered wearing only one shoe, ignore the physical evidence of self-inflicted death and dwell on the missing shoe. You don't have to establish an alternate theory of the death; just keep harping that the missing shoe "can't be explained."
• If the data doesn't fit your conclusion, ignore it. You don't have to explain why the people who claim to have the most damaging goods on Clinton -- Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, Kenneth Starr -- are still walking around unscathed while dozens of bit players have been bumped off. It's inconvenient for you, so don't mention it.
• Most importantly, don't let facts and details stand in your way! If you can pass off a death by pneumonia as a "suicide," do it! If a cause of death contradicts your conspiracy theory, claim it was "never determined." If your chronology of events is impossible, who cares? It's not like anybody is going to check up on this stuff . . .
  
  -- a (a@a.a), October 01, 1999.