MEMBERS OF MILITARY PRESENT AT WACO DIE

News/Current Events Extended News News Keywords: WACO Published: 9/27 Author: CHRISTOPHER J. PETHERICK Posted on 09/27/1999 15:22:08 PDT by MAYASPACE Members of Military Present at Waco Die Four members of the U.S. Army's special forces, believed to have been involved in the siege at Waco, died in purported accidents in the past few weeks. The military says it's a coincidence. By Christopher J. Petherick Four members of the elite U.S. Army Special Operations with possible links to the siege at the Branch Davidian church near Waco, Tex., died during training exercises, according to news reports received by an Austin, Tex., radio talk show host. Alex Jones, a radio talk show host for KJFK-FM, said he has confirmed that at least three of the four members were part of the elite Combat Applications Group at Fort Bragg, N.C., known as "Delta Force," and were at Mt. Carmel during the siege. Last week, it was reported reported that Delta Force was involved in the assault on the church that left nearly 80 Branch Davidians, including children, dead. The Fayetteville Times-Observer in North Carolina reported on the deaths of the four special forces members. According to the report, two soldiers from the 1st Battalion of the 3rd Special Forces Group are supposed to have "died when they were swept away during a water training exercise in the Savannah River in Georgia." Officials identified the bodies of 40-year-old Lt. Col. Timothy A. Boyles and Sgt. Eric Ellingson as the two killed in the river accident. The third special forces member to die was 36-year-old Master Sgt. Gaetano Cutino. Cutino supposedly died during a helicopter exercise at Fort Bragg. Military officials told a reporter for the North Carolina newspaper that Cutino died while "exiting from an MH-6 'Little Bird' helicopter." Cutino was assigned to the U.S. Army Special Operations Command. The fourth victim was 26-year-old Sgt. Jamey Dimase of the 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Benning, Ga. Military officials said Dimase was participating in marksmanship training at the time of his death at Fort Benning. Jones told this newspaper that the three dead Delta Force soldiers who were confirmed to have been at Waco were Boyles, Ellingson and Cutino. Cutino and Boyles reportedly served in Squadron II of Delta Force. Jones has been unable to confirm the presence of Dimase at the assault on the compound. Jones also told this newspaper that he had spoken with an anonymous serviceman who loaded the military helicopters at Waco. Jones said the enlistee related to him that he and a number of others in the Army who were at Waco were concerned for their own safety. Lt. Gen. William Tangney, commander of the United States Army Special Operations Command, has ordered a comprehensive safety review as a result of the deaths. Military officials rebutted Jones' claims, telling the Fayetteville newspaper that the accidents were flukes and occurred as a result of the hazardous training the soldiers undertook on a daily basis. "It's just a coincidence," Jimmy Dean, a spokesman for the Special Forces Association in Fayetteville, told the newspaper. "There might not be another [death] in five years."

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-- Goldbug (Goldbug@mint.com), September 27, 1999

Answers

Just a coincidence, just like Vince Foster, Ron Brown, and a cast of hundreds. Just a coincidence.

-- cody (cody@y2ksurvive.com), September 27, 1999.

"Accidents happen ALL the time!!

How come I'm NOT surprised??

-- K.Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), September 27, 1999.

And the three out of the four agents killed at Waco who were former Clinton bodyguards?

There's a point where all of this "plausible deniability" becomes an example used to intimidate the American people. They don't care how evil they look, as long as most people are in denial and those that see what's going on are cowed into submission.

http://www.thecommonman.com/bodycnts.htm

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), September 27, 1999.

I read "The Crimes of Bill Clinton" by that Brit journalist. This goes beyond simple corruption. This is pure evil; very scary. And I voted for this bum twice! Reminds me of the rise of the Nazis;eliminate those who stand in the way. I think our lives are going to be changing for the very worst, very soon.Think I'll get more supplies, but then I wonder,"why bother?".If it's reached this point? If the network of evil has become so all encompassing? Wow! I think I now know how they must have felt in Germany in 38; helpless!

-- Ralph Kramden (and@away wego.com), September 27, 1999.

Ralph,

There is a lot of resistance, especially in the military; it's clear that some are prepared to be true to their oath, if this criminal network attempts to take advantage of Y2k to consolidate it's gains.

There may come a time when it is crucial to do your part - don't get discouraged. They're overambitious, and "too clever by half," as my gran would say. They're mistaking silence and forebearance for apathy or complicity, and when they make their move, they'll get a big suprise. So cheer up, prepare, and when and if the time comes, do your duty; just do what you know to be the right thing. As a nation, "what does not kill us makes us stronger." The trick is not getting killed.

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), September 27, 1999.

"Ralph:

Get the supplies. In order to resist evil, you must first survive.

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), September 27, 1999.

Libety:

I hope you are right but I fear you are wrong. The greatest irony in Orwell's "1984" was that there was no brotherhood except for the one invented by big brother so as to identify subversives to his power. If these soldiers were murdered they were murdered by fellow soldiers who were doing the "right thing" in their minds. I think that we all know that nothing will come of these deaths just as nothing has come of any of the perversions that have gone on in this country. Clinton didn't invent this stuff, it has gone on and on through out our history. Perhaps Clinton is just more arrogant and selfish than past presidents. Just a few short months ago we were bombing one of the great capitals of Europe. We killed innocent women and children. Both parties and all branches of government supported this atrocity. Now that it is over, we the people seem to have forgotten. Don't you think we will forget a few soldiers who died "coincidentally?" It stinks. It really stinks.

Bill in South Carolina

-- Bill Solorzano (notaclue@webtv.net), September 27, 1999.

liberty please read the book "unintended consequences" get the loompanics,paladin press, and delta press purchase the appropriate titles for this situation...

-- me myself and i (memyselfandi@beentheredonethat.com), September 27, 1999.

Goldbug.. do you have a link?

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), September 27, 1999.

Yes, please, does anybody have a link? This is very disturbing. Just what kind of training exercises are 36 and 40 year-old officers expected to be participating in? As they said at Waco, **where is the media**?

-- RUOK (RUOK@yesiam.com), September 28, 1999.

"There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see."

So, when the Y2K DGI/DWGI are starving, I will have no sympathy. If by some miracle, we escape Y2K, the next event is the reaming of the sheep in the name of the NWO. Again, no sympathy.

-- A (A@AisA.com), September 28, 1999.

Who say's that these soldiers really died...??? Maybe they were just declared dead and moved out into black-ops. They would not have to testify either since they are "dead".

Died serving their country.

And they keep on working doing their duty behind the scenes....

-- STFrancis (STFrancis@heaven.com), September 28, 1999.

Umm, Goldbug (Goldbug@mint.com),

So far, I dont find any reference to the above allegation at...

Fayetteville Observer-Times

http:// www.fayettevillenc.com/

Search on Delta Force

http:// www.fayettevillenc.com/foto/search/

Only this seems somewhat related...

Wacos Ghosts
... more than a rumor. This time, some serious investigation is in order. Stories in The Dallas Morning News this week present disturbing evidence that Delta Force commandos may have taken an active role in the assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Tex., in 1993. The newspaper interviewed a former the excerpt is only part of the complete document.

http://www.fayettevillenc.com/foto/news/content/1999/ tx99aug/e29t2axx.htm

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), September 28, 1999.

Thinking about this story last night...is it possible that there are those among Special Ops who might consider it patriotic to "take out" rogues among their own? Might they also consider it a "family matter" to be handled by their own particular brotherhood? And/or might they think it protective of their "family" to not expose their Forces to public dishonor?

Still looking for a link...

-- RUOK (RUOK@yesiam.com), September 28, 1999.

We don't mean to appear rude, but Goldbug you're gonna have to provide a link to your posted information. We're interested in solid information only. Please post link!

-- kalani @ katiuska (kalani_hanohano@hotmail.com), September 28, 1999.

From Snowleopard6:

Found article...Diane I followed up on your lead thru the Fayetteville Paper with an obituary search on all four names. Found the following:

First, for non-military types Fayetteville is the main town adjacent to Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

The training accidents and resulting deaths in fact occurred and are true. See: 11 Sep 99 Article titled: "Third soldier dies while training." at http://www.fayettevillenc.com/foto/news/content/1999/tx99sep/n11sold1.htm

Obituaries are then listed for LTC Boyles at http:www.fayettevillenc.com/foto/news/content/1999/tx99sep/n15boyl5.htm

SGT Ellingson at .....1999/tx99sep/n16bere4.htm

I have not completed my search, but in the first article (which is the one selcetively sited in the thread aboe) there is NO mention of a either a Delta or Waco connection. I'm not sure whether Goldbug or the Austin radio station made the name connection to soldiers that were at Waco, but that connection we wll have to find elsewhere. Goldbug care to enlighten us.

I suspect 23 year old SGT Ellingson might have been a little young to have been at WACO as a member of Delta Force! Out of high school at 17 or 18, there is Basic Training, AIT, Airborne, Ranger or Special Forces Training, selection and training for Delta (pretty tight fit, given the age).

Waco was in '93

A lot ot real facts here, but I'm not sure the whole picture as presented is real. Need to see something more like a list from Sen. Spector or Danforth of those previously identified to testify before I buy it!

...but this comes only from a former member of the "Warrior" profession!

-- (snowleopard6@webtv.net), September 28, 1999.

Thanks Snowleopard6 for the leads. Appreciated it!

-- kalani & katiuska (kalani_hanohano@hotmail.com), September 28, 1999.

Thanks (snowleopard6@webtv.net),

It's often in the "details." Local press can turn up nuggets too.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), September 28, 1999.

Additional thanks Snowleopard6!

Jerry

-- Jerry B (skeptic76@erols.com), September 28, 1999.

I found a link to this article. Came from a magazine called "The Spotlight". I have been hearing about this story and it irritates me that we will probably never know the truth.

-- shari (shari_h72@hotmail.com), September 28, 1999.

whoops! here is the link:

http://www.spotlight.org/Sept_26/Death/death.html

-- shari_h (shari_h72@hotmail.com), September 28, 1999.

And thanks Shari!

Jerry

-- Jerry B (skeptic76@erols.com), September 28, 1999.

Yay, Shari! Now, is there any way to confirm that any of these men were actually at Waco? If they were, it's hard to imagine that someone like Drudge or WorldNetDaily hasn't picked this up.

-- RUOK (RUOK@yesiam.com), September 29, 1999.

Drudge did have a former SF guy on his show last week (Steven Barry). He said he knew who the Delta Force (Waco) men were, but never mentioned anything about the "training accidents". I would think if there were true connection he would have mentioned it. But then again, who knows. We will just have to wait & see if any truth surfaces.

Shari

-- Shari (shari_h72@hotmail.com), September 29, 1999.