A long article, but very worrying...is this the shape of things to come...?

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(And of course it's all to protect the 'children')

-- a programmer (a@programmer.com), September 13, 1999

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Got to keep those whacko survivalists off the net...

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), September 13, 1999.

wanna know what,s on the horizen? read the book[bible] it tell,s the future.

-- read the book. (dogs@zianet.com), September 13, 1999.

Which part of the Bible discusses the internet ?

-- a programmer (a@programmer.com), September 13, 1999.

"The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." Abraham Lincoln

-- quoter (quoter@quoterrr.com), September 13, 1999.

For quoter:

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." George Washington, Treaty of Tripoli, 1796

For the thread topic...

"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." Justice William O. Douglas

"Fear of serious injury cannont alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burned women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears." Justice Louis D. Brandeis

Take those how you wish.... Harl

-- harl (harlanquin@aohell.com), September 14, 1999.

I was answering "a programmer," and I agree with Abraham. I like your quotes too Harl.

-- quoter (quoter@quoterrr.com), September 14, 1999.

Understood, Quoter. Guess I should have added 'for your collection of relevant quotes' to that preface. My fault......

But while I'm here: "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." Robert Frost

Harl

-- Harl (harlanquin@aohell.com), September 14, 1999.

Ah, yes, for the children (sob, sniff, snuffle, honk). Another reason why women should never be given the vote. Even more willing than men to trade freedom for safety. Neither sex, in general, realizing that trade is a "bargain with the devil." (See, I can use Christian related quotes with the best of them.)

BTW, the founding fathers -- referencing the quote by Washington (Tripoli) were "Deists" -- that is, they were believers in a "god" but were not necessarily Christians or even believers in the "same" type of "god" as Christians.

So, all you Christian wackos -- lay off about this being a Christian nation. BTW again -- "In God We Trust" is a fairly modern addition to currency, added by Christian pressure. Wasn't there for at least a hundred years.

-- A (A@AisA.com), September 14, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr near Monterey, California

michael, in writing about Munich, The Censor's Convention, describes a method of censorship in which ISPs are required to police their customers. This same technique is used to cause children to be vaccinated contrary to the judgment of their parents. School and daycare facilities are convinced that they must track this information for their governments, and make it quite difficult for parents, even in locations which technically allow a philosophical exemption.

I have experienced, first hand, the effects of having my own youth-oriented site blocked by censorship software, in the name of "Chi ld Safe Content". I was sidetracked from finishing that site by my discovery of Y2K, but I can already see that most of my target audience wouldn't be able to get to my Unschooling page anyway, because of the content of its Mission Statement.

Another effective means of censorship is ironically, to prevent authors themselves from controlling who may access their material. When authors wish to keep their material private, they must be allowed to use a strong key encryption which is unable to be cracked even by (maybe that should read especially by) government. If folks cannot be confident that private communications will remain private, then there will be, in effect, no private communications.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), September 14, 1999.

Sorry,

first off, I should have said it's not ostensibly .gov who are planning to censor the internet. They've tried that and failed (eg. CDA, CDA II). It's actually a large multi-national - Bertlesmann. Doubtless with a lot of behind the scenes support. Please read the article. They want _everyone_ to 'self rate' anything they post using an arbitrary set of criteria - decided by them of course. Then they will 'persuade' the ISPs to filter anything using these criteria.

Want to post to this forum ? Please rate your post for:

"e.g.: gratuitous violence, frontal nudity, explicit sexual acts, crude language, vulgar language, sports, extreme hate speech, arts, aggressive violence, death to humans, medicine, non-explicit sexual acts, strong language, history, ..."

Failure to do so may soon be a crime.

-- a programmer (a@programmer.com), September 14, 1999.

And since someone mentioned the CDA and CD II, I would like to mention Clinton Fein (sp) who has fought against the CDA and censorship on the internet and won a round against Janet and the court. Whether you agree with his tactics or not, you have to admire him for fighting tirelessly for freedom on the net. He has a website on the Disinformation site called annoy.com. It has been called in-your-face "vulgar, dirty, on and on and one," but this does not detract from the fact that he's fighting to keep the net free of government intereference. Do not check out the site if you are going to be offended! No one is obligated to look at anything that they don't want to see.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), September 14, 1999.

A, you lookin' for a fight today? Can't believe you wrote that about the vote.

(By the way, I was thinking bout you yesterday and have a question. You've got me convinced that that paying income tax is indeed voluntary. Why, then, can the .gov take taxes out of casino/lottery winnings? Shouldn't that be not-legal?)

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), September 14, 1999.

Cite a source for the Lincoln quote.

-- Lane Core Jr. (elcore@sgi.net), September 14, 1999.

Lisa: You like to mud wrestle? I'll see if I can arrange a tag-team match with KOS. Re voting -- actually it makes no difference nowadays since the republic is so far gone, anyway. ;-)

Not to say that many women would not be better voters than many men. The "Bell Shaped Curve" applies to that as well as to intelligence, height, musical ability, whatever. But, the averages still are a fact of reality. (Women on average have better fine motor skills and verbal fluency than men. Men on average are stronger and taller...) Now, if someone could come up with a test... but who would determine which tests are valid, and who passes?

Re lottery winnings, I don't know if anyone in the NTP ("non-taxpayer") movement has addressed that. I suspect that it IS illegal for the gov to withhold, but since it is usually a gov agency paying the winnings, it would be rather difficult to get the gov to obey the law in that instance, as in so many others.

You have better luck in the private sector -- which is why it is so vitally important that government be trimmed back -- otherwise we'll all be working for the government (all "niggers" on the government plantation, regardless of race) and S.O.L.

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-- A (A@AisA.com), September 14, 1999.