Hamasaki: SSA said they were done. SSA started 10 years ago. Washington Post report SSA not done. Get it yet Flint?

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Subject:Re: Why BKS Shouldn't Post Anymore (was: SSA Trips at the Finish Line)
Date:1999/09/05
Author:cory hamasaki <kiyoinc@ibm.XOUT.net>
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I'm waiting for the pollies who hang on my every word, the ones that cite a burp or sneeze I made a year or more ago and who drag the WRP archives and deja news for my comments, quote a few snippits out of context, and crow, "Wrong Again!",  to report my way out on the limb commentary on Social Security.
 
Social Security started ten years ago.  They've been lauded up and down for being early, planning and executing the remediation, and praised on TV, the printed press, over an over for being Y2K A+, verified
compliant.
 
In the face of all this, I've consistently written that they weren't done.  That I've had insider, geek-vine reports that Social Security was still working on Y2K and that there was a disconnect between the word from the trenches and the clueless yip-yap from the talking heads.
 
I've maintained that there would be Y2K failures at Social Security, probably not show stoppers but problems and failures none the less.
 
I based this on insider info, whispered words from geeks who are still cranking code at Social Security, and 30 years of knowing how complex enterprise systems respond to unusual conditions.
 
Now we have a series of interesting events, 1) the GAO, the pit bulls of the government, are tearing at Social Security on Y2K mis-statements, 2) Social Security's Y2K Tsarina retires 4 months before the big, write your own ticket to the presidential ball, party, 3) A public failure, your benefits expire in 1900, makes the Worshington Post.
 
Did I mention that "Banks Get it"?  That Y2K is just hype, that there's no JAE, that any failure will be fixed in, oh, 2 or 3 hours?
 
We still have 4 months to run and odd stuff is happening; SAP, the wonder-dog, is blowing up left and right, Kreskin is reporting pre-Y2K failures that aren't getting fixed, IBM, SUN computers, and Silicon Graphics are issuing operating system patches; Frank is billing $150K/year to do COBOL (He's worth it but still, COBOL?).
 
On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:07:09, "Robert F" <robertf@bellsouth.net> wrote:
 
> Art Frank <Artfrank@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:7qrl5f$33s@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com...
> > The Glitch That Just Wouldn't Die
> > Social Security Learns It Isn't So Y2K-Compliant After All
> >
> > Washington Post
> > Saturday, September 4, 1999
> >
> > Late last year, President Clinton praised the Social Security
> Administration
> > for fixing its basic year 2000 computer problems ahead of schedule.
> > Yesterday, the agency acknowledged sending out letters last month to more
> > than 32,000 people bearing the news that certain benefits would end on
> Jan.
> > 1, 1900.
>
> These geniuses began their Y2k remediation 10 years ago. I'm still waiting
> for someone to tell my why I should believe the "we're ready" claims from
> the other big organizations, most of which started in 1996/1997 or later.
>
> Robert Folsom
 
Yoo-hoo pollies.  You really need to answer RobertF's question.  And when you do, consider that this problem, as defined by the Post is  external, visible on paper, does not require file dumping and hex printing to find.  There is nothing subtle about this problem, it's like the credit card expiration date problem in that it shows itself to lots of people before Y2K.
 
The subtle problems, losing 2% of the data each processing cycle, expiring records a few weeks early, those are *very* hard to find.  The companies in denial don't have to cover them up.  They may not have realized that the problems exist yet.
 
Maybe as several people have said,  I'm overly optimistic.
 
cory hamasaki http://www.kiyoinc.com/current.html
 




-- a (a@a.a), September 06, 1999

Answers

The pollys must think Cory does laps on the beltway with a Ledo's pepperoni pizza on his lap making this stuff up. Amazing.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), September 06, 1999.

Truly Nauseating



-- K. Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), September 06, 1999.


??? Why am I named in the subject line of this thread? This doesn't contradict anything I've ever posted, and agrees with all of my posts about government. I'd repeat that I don't expect any government agency to come particularly close to completely compliant, except I know that 'a' is well aware of my position on this. He simply wants to somehow discredit me by putting words into my mouth and then mocking me for "saying" them. A tactic of desperation, sorry.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 06, 1999.

No, Flint, I'm just exposing you to truth in advertising, since your perceptions are much like Yourdon described in his End Game essay.

-- a (a@a.a), September 06, 1999.

From the Seattle Times: Social Security catches Y2K bug, sends letters dated Jan. 1, 1900 (from the Washington Post)

From the Washington Post: The Glitch That Just Wouldn't Die Social Security Learns It Isn't So Y2K-Compliant After All

By Brian Krebs Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, September 4, 1999; Page E01

Late last year, President Clinton praised the Social Security Administration for fixing its basic year 2000 computer problems ahead of schedule. Yesterday, the agency acknowledged sending out letters last month to more than 32,000 people bearing the news that certain benefits would end on Jan. 1, 1900.

Kathleen Adams, assistant deputy commissioner for systems at the Social Security Administration, attributed the 100-year date error to a glitch in the program that printed the letters. "Mission-critical" computers that generate checks are fully compliant, she said, but there may still be a few bugs to work out in less important systems.

"We're confident that all of the programs that determine who is eligible for benefits, and for how much . . . are ready," Adams said. "There was no error in identifying who was to get these notices, and each was sent to the proper address," she said.

The notices, sent Aug. 22, went to families with dependents receiving Social Security benefits under the administration's survivor program, designed to financially aid families whose breadwinner has died or become disabled. Payments can be stopped after the dependents turn 18.

New notices with the corrected date were sent Wednesday.

The year 2000 computer problem--Y2K for short--stems from the use of two-digit date fields in many computer programs and chips, which can cause the machines to interpret "00" as the year 1900, instead of 2000. Such a reading can cause a system to relay faulty data, malfunction or shut down completely.

The Social Security Administration issues checks to about 48 million Americans each month. As the administration's computer programs rely heavily on dates to calculate age and benefits, few other federal agencies are as potentially vulnerable to Y2K problems.

For this reason, Adams said, Social Security began working on the problem in 1989, and has spent close to $40 million sifting through 35 million lines of computer programming code. So far, it has changed about 3 million lines to bring systems up to date.

Adams said the "cosmetic" display programs--those that contain dates not used for age computations--have not been as rigorously tested as those that determine eligibility.

"What we're doing now is taking another look at these display programs and looping them back again and again to make sure we don't have another embarrassing situation like this," Adams said.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), September 06, 1999.



a

I would recommend reading this GAO report. There is an edited thread link at the bottom from this forum.

 

Social Security Administration: Update on Year 2000 and Other Key Information Technology Initiatives (Testimony, 07/29/1999,
   GAO/T-AIMD-99-259).

 SOCIAL SECURITY READY? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Brian (imager@home.com), September 07, 1999.


Flint,

methinks thou doth protest too much...

do you want us to comb through the archives for your preposterous polly utterances...???

maroon

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), September 07, 1999.


Once again, "Flint", fails to answer the crux of the argument, a typical "liberal" answer. He fails to address the facts. Gee, what a shock, considering the current administration. We are in a situation, that can be called no less than critical mass. With less than 120 days to go, we still get '1984' DOUBLESPEAK returned when presented with facts. I'm sick of it. I hope you are at my doorstep. But don't beg, as it is demeaning; and it won't do a God Damned bit of good anyways.
The intellectuals are about to go on strike world.
and be scared, very scared.

P.S. -And I do not mean the intellectualist/collectivist left. I mean the people who have made this country great, the individualist, the objectivist.
John

-- John Galt (jgaltfla@hotmail.com), September 07, 1999.

"SAP... is blowing up left and right"

Er, left and right?

I did read recently of one European company who was mad that it was unable to implement SAP successfully... but no word back whether it was the software that was bad, or rather terrible project management and lack of skill by the company itself implementing.

Does this guy know what he's talking about?

-- Spanky (nospam@spamfree.ent), September 07, 1999.


I'm a recruiter. I've talked to a fair number of IT people over the years, expecially SAP folks I was trying to recruit.

Their word was that SAP is at least, if not more so, liable to major project overruns and glitches as any other software project.

Apparently, you don't change SAP to fit your company's needs. You change your company's needs and system to fit SAP.

-- Jon Williamson (pssomerville@sprintmail.com), September 07, 1999.



"Apparently, you don't change SAP to fit your company's needs. You change your company's needs and system to fit SAP."

Right, Jon, but in the brochure they call it "business re- engineering".

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), September 07, 1999.


Spanky

Looking at the SEC Y2K disclosures I have noticed Corps. not expecting to have their SAP ready. This one stood out

 REEBOK INTERNATIONAL LTD - Quarterly Report (SEC form 10-Q)

Snip

The Company believes that, with modifications to existing software and
converting to SAP software and other packaged software, the year 2000 will not
pose significant operational problems for the Company's computer systems.
However, if the modifications and conversions are not implemented or completed
in a timely or effective manner, the year 2000 problem could have a material
adverse impact on the operations and financial condition of the Company. In
addition, in converting to SAP software, the Company is relying on its software
partner to develop and support new software applications and there could be
problems in successfully developing and implementing such new applications.
The Company is the first in the apparel and footwear industry to begin to
implement this new software application. Thus there are substantial risks that
problems could arise in implementation or that the system may not be fully
effective by the end of 1999.

The SAP system has been installed and implementation has been substantially
completed in a number of the Company's business units, as well as, in certain
other functional areas. These units have experienced certain technical difficulties
with the SAP system resulting in processing delays and selected integrity of
information issues. The Company, together with its software partner, has
substantially remedied these deficiencies. Accordingly, the Company has decided
to continue to implement the SAP system in certain of its operating units during
1999. However, because of the technical difficulties with the SAP system and the
delays resulting therefrom, the Company has decided to delay full implementation
of the SAP system in its North American operating unit until after January 2000.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), September 07, 1999.


USA Today, 6/23/1999

ERP: Complex software no one understands

...Think that's brutal? How about this: In a high-profile case earlier this month, trash giant Allied Waste Industries said it was going to pull the plug on a shiny new $130 million hardware and software system running SAP. And its competitor, Waste Management, had earlier said it was killing a SAP project that would've cost $250 million...

Allied Waste bought Browning-Ferris a while back. Seems like B-F used to be a reference site for SAP running on Sun Microsystems boxes. Not anymore...

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), September 07, 1999.


I guess Hoff must be "at a client site" this week...

-- a (a@a.a), September 07, 1999.

Sure am glad that I bought two pair of Reeboks this weekend on sale! Also some shoes on sale. Does that make me a "hoarder???"

-- Elaine Seavey (Gods1sheep@aol.com), September 07, 1999.


Does that make me a "hoarder???"

Without a doubt.

-- Dog Gone (layinglow@rollover.now), September 07, 1999.


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