I apparently stumbled into the WACO forum, could someone please help me redirect my bookmarks?

-- Off Topic Tom (let@it.die), September 05, 1999

Answers

This is getting very tiresome fool - just click on by to a thread that grabs ya..OK?

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), September 05, 1999.

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=TimeBomb%202000%20%2 8Y2000%29%20Preparation%20Forum

-- Stan Faryna (info@giglobal.com), September 05, 1999.

Talk about beating a dead horse!

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), September 05, 1999.

Dear tom- you are OT- Out of Touch......

-- farmer (hillsidefarm@drbs.net), September 05, 1999.

Dear Tom: you might try the prep forum - lots of good info there. Also Ed has a "Humpty Dumpty" forum for post-rollover questions. In the "about" part of that forum, he promises to delete things clearly off topic, vicious foul language,personal attacks,etc. I certainly hope he keeps his word.

-- jeanne (jeanne@hurry.now), September 05, 1999.

Tom's no fool, Andy is no gentleman, Waco is the dead horse and I sure miss TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000).

-- TM (digiratoX@mindspring.com), September 05, 1999.

Just another squeaking shill who doesn't want us thinking about a duplicitious government. Don't look behind that curtain!

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), September 05, 1999.

Just another confused 'GI' who now wants us to not think about Y2K so they don't look foolish.

-- Buff Muffin (buffer@than.you), September 05, 1999.

A&L:

You could probably make the same observation about similar complaints on a forum nominally devoted to needlepoint. Anyone who wonders why everyone is discussing Waco rather than needlepoint must be a shill!

But of course needlepoint is topical here just as much as Waco. After all, once civilization collapses, we'll need to know needlepoint as one of many crafts. This means all crafts are on topic too. Wow, this is easy!

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 05, 1999.

I seemed to remember alot of people presuming troll activity will swell as the days grow closer to 1/1/00. And yet here I am, all alone, with nobody to troll with. One more doomer prediction laid to rest...

-- (Doomers@suck.com), September 05, 1999.

They all either got religen or

with the Sunday paper they scanned through the sales papers and ran to the stores to stock up on water and canned goods

u know to beat the crowds

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), September 05, 1999.

A & L,

I can't imagine where Flint came up with a needlepoint analogy, he's usually far more complex with his comments. Perhaps he is now taking up needlepoint as part of his affordable contingency preps and resents anything OT on that NP website. Who knows? Anyway, I think your answer of a shill is probably close to the truth. The Waco posts are both informative and educational. They spotlight what our own government does behind the curtain and raises the question of what they may have in mind for uncooperative folks in just a few more months. We do know that the military has been practicing some pretty hair-raising attack-and-subdue maneuvers around some towns and cities lately. Apparently this sort of exposure to the sordid details bothers the shills a lot.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), September 05, 1999.

Off Topic Tom (let@it.die),

The place to weigh in is on this thread...

Is this entire forum OffTopic or OnTopic? Let's settle it ....

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001LA1

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), September 05, 1999.

Gordon:

In the thread Diane points to, I try to make the case more clearly that if we accept the argument that Waco is on topic, we can apply that same argument to anything at all (including needlepoint), making *everything* on topic. This tends to vitiate any attempt to define the topic itself (or any topic, for that matter)

Yes, I agree that at Waco the government got way out of hand. They grabbed a tiger by the tail they never should have gone near, and "it was necessary to destroy the village in order to save it" before they could let go (lest they must admit error). But this admittedly reprehensible government behavior, however terrible, is off topic. Interesting, educational, fascinating, yes. But off topic.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 05, 1999.

Flint,

Many things can seem off topic until a connection is made. Sometimes when we are putting a puzzle together we just put some piece on the board in an area we think it may later belong. We don't always have a direct link to the piece at the time we set it down. So it is with this Waco topic, if it is pointing to possible/probable intended behavior by the military regarding reaction to Y2k disorder. One of the more important things that this forum does is to open wide vistas for consideration. Preparation is both physical and psychological, with the psychological adjustment to surprise being the most disabling. Getting caught unaware in either area is numbing and dangerous. I think you should trust that some of these subjects will become relevant as further information is added. Take world finances, and the manipulation of the gold market, for instance. On its own, it could seem off topic, but when we begin to realize that the entire world financial system is being "managed" for the benefit of a few in power and control, it becomes on-topic with regard to any Y2k disruptions in that "ponzi" game. I presume that you do take international world bank exchanges to be at serious risk? At least the Swiss banking community has issued warning statements about it.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), September 05, 1999.

Gordon:

First, I don't think international banking is at much risk. I know that some here have taken this position, but I regard that as a priori. The real evidence doesn't support it -- you need to postulate that it exists and dismiss the reports we have of international bank testing for some reason, and then create reasons for breakdown nobody has found. That's a policy statement, not a conclusion.

Similarly, we are not "beginning to realize" that banking is a "ponzi scheme." That's another position taken as an article of faith by a few of the rabid anti-bank posters. We know (more or less) how banking works, and we accept it or not. And it works, and has worked for a very long time, despite those who hate it (but use it successfully anyway, because it works!)

As far as I can tell, some here (perhaps yourself?) are starting to confuse government-as-conspiracy and banking-as-conspiracy with y2k- as-conspiracy. And they are all related, and therefore the irrelevant is related to y2k, the connection being they're all conspiracies!

Gordon, this is a bit silly. None of them are conspiracies, and none of them are related by any connection stronger than y2k is real, governments are real, banking is real, and needlepoint is real.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 05, 1999.

Flint:

I would never suspected you to be an anti-government fanatic. Let me tell you, you opened my eyes!

Best wishes,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), September 05, 1999.

Flint,

Oh ye of great faith! It is the Swiss banking sector that is saying the bad things Flint, blame them. And while you're at it, tell them how wrong they are and why. They shouldn't be spreading alarming statements when there is no rational reason for it, as you say. Also, it is you using the word conspiracy over and over, not me. So you think the banking system works just fine, huh? Guess you weren't one of those that went throught the depression of the 30s and were wiped out by the bank failures. Flint, it's a ponzi scheme, whether you are participating it, and loving it, or not. It's all based on faith, not fact, and can't return even a tiny fraction of the money it holds, on demand. And hey, I have nothing against needlepoint. In fact, I expect that the ability to mend socks and such will be very important next year.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), September 05, 1999.

I'm not suprised there are so few on the Forum posting from outside the USA.Many members of this Forum seem to forget that there is a whole world outside the States which is not particularly interested in the ins & outs of the Waco Seige or Clinton & Hillary's's personal moral code etc etc.

Ok,now I've upset all you chauvinists.I'm sure someone will tell me to go & play in my own sandpit but,I'll continue to lurk because at the end of the day,America is a barometer to progress.

-- snorting (griffen@globalnet.co.uk), September 05, 1999.

Snorting:

Technically, you must be French to be a chauvinist. I am interested. You are from UK. Is that a developed country? Where is it?:o)......

Best,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), September 05, 1999.

Snorting,

Just curious. What is it exactly that you are snorting right now?

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), September 05, 1999.

Gordon:

Sigh. I agree banking requires faith, as presently constituted. But in a similar sense, you could say your local car dealer runs a ponzi scheme, since he couldn't possibly sell everyone a car on the same day -- some would have to wait. He, like the banks, keeps an inventory sufficient to handle normal swings in demand, and he can't handle swings well beyond normal extremes. And in such cases, some depositors would have to wait for their money. Yes, the system is set up this way. And it works 99.999999% of the time. As the anti-bank faction has pointed out, it's not perfectly airtight. Indeed, NO system is absolutely impervious to the worst possible case. Systems are built based on the normal range of cases. IF you get well outside this range, systems will break down. All of them. I agree.

And yes, banking software has bugs, and will have bugs at rollover. I expect these bugs to be visible even outside the banks in some cases, and I expect banking geeks to be working very long hours for a while. But the Swiss didn't announce their own demise (why bother to do that anyway?). I think they expressed a legitimate concern. There will be problems after rollover, just as there were some serious Euro problems. But the Euro problems were handled, and international banking problems are expected (even by the Swiss) to be handled as well. Their efforts to get people focused on these problems, to minimize them in advance, should be applauded. It seems perverse to interpret this in a black light.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 05, 1999.

Griffen:

By-the-way, and all jokes aside, you have been here a long time and you are always welcome.

Best wishes,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), September 05, 1999.

You could try the GNIABFI forum, or the deBUNKy forum: they could use the help over there...

Or try our new-born PREP forum, noted above. More OnT...

Or just hang out here, in this community. Yea, lots of funky stuff here lately, but hey, I'll show you how to "break" your mouse...

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), September 05, 1999.

Blah..another offtopic offtopic thread. The offtopic-concerned add more wasted bandwith themselves alone than any offtopic-not-really-offtopic posters.

I vote that all offtopic complaint threads be deleted, and that a line be added bellow "New Question" and "Recent Answers" to state something like "Any new thread that complains of threads being offtopic will be automaticly deleted".

That should answer their questions before they even think of asking.

-- (not@now.com), September 05, 1999.

Irony - Why are people, who feel that threads that question off topic threads are a waste of time, posting on those threads that question off topic threads? Isn't that a bit like saying, "Plaid pants are for dorks", while you're walking around in a pair?

O.T.Tom,

It's all grist for the mill. Y2K is not happening in a vacuum. Yes, I've read threads that seem to stretch a bit, in their claims at being related, but that's just one persons opinion. For others, that same topic may seem very germaine.

Like another poster said, if the subject matter doesn't interest you, move on to the next thread. I know this strategy works, because I use it myself.

-- Bokonon (bok0non@my-Deja.com), September 06, 1999.

Like another poster said, if the subject matter doesn't interest you, move on to the next thread. I know this strategy works, because I use it myself.

It only works if one can get past a "Server too busy" message that one wouldn't get so often if there weren't so many off-topic posts.

-- Lane Core Jr. (elcore@sgi.net), September 07, 1999.