Is registration with Y2K survival groups a good idea?

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Gary North has links to survival groups in each state. The leader of the Indianapolis group asks each person to register in order that others can make e-mail contact. Is this a good idea? Won't this be a good opportunity for those who are not preparing to locate the ones who do? Wouldn't the gummint spies use the list to locate food and guns when They need to ?

Herb

-- Herbert Johnson (HERB87@JUNO.COM), August 29, 1999

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Not exactly on your topic, but I ordered some flashlights from a military surplus site online, and I now receive mail from every gun and ammo shop, gun rights group, the NRA, and every redneck survival group on the planet. Mailing lists are big bucks as you know, and that includes e-mail lists with target interests.

I'm not sure what the advantage would be from registering. Not to be paranoid, but "They" can track your ass down even if you use internet- based e-mail.

-- semper paratus (lay_low@mouth.shut), August 29, 1999.


The short, easy answer is "NO"...its not a good idea to register with any Y2K groups. In my opinion, the government will be making a pre-emptive move against Y2K activists...in the name of counter-terrorism and other Reno-esque nonsense. Given the emergency powers granted to FEMA under the Clinton Martial Law plans, having your name and address registered with ANY group is simply extending an invitation to FEMA to confiscate your supplies and "relocate" you to the nearest concentration camp.

Regards,

Irving

-- Irving (Irving@privacy.net), August 29, 1999.


I agree with you Irving. What about everyone with a registered weapon? Anyone who has ordered Y2K related supplies? Sam's Club? Lehmans? Ark Institute?

Heavens, why stop there? How about every registered republican, right- wing extremist promoting terrorism.

All you need to do is trust your president. After all, he's a good christain man with strong family values who cares about the children and feels your pain.

-excuse me-

PatttttttUiee.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 29, 1999.


already happens. i hate it when christian groups do this to me and one did and i wanted to kill them. :-) but hey, public radio does it--they make a big assumption that if you support public radio you are a left wing, democrat bleeding heart socialist. is that a good assumption?

-- tt (cuddluppy@yahho.com), August 29, 1999.

Isn't it pitiful that this question even has to be asked?

Isn't it even worse that the answers are pretty much: "Don't do it, the gov can track you down."

In light of the ongoing Waco uncovering; myriad SWAT team killings of innocents (in LA just last week); extreme rhetoric by fed.gov against the 2nd amendment; etc. etc. ad nauseum, I agree 100%.

Unfortunately, I'm on all the lists, too. All I did was buy a Baygen radio, and I get all the same mailings.

The silver lining to this is that there are SO MANY people on all these lists, that fed.gov will be unable to effectively hit everybody on the lists. You just gotta hope your SSN doesn't start with "000" and your name doesn't start with "A".

The question and answers here show that we have lost our 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 10th, and 14th amendments. And those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head.

*sigh*

Jolly

-- Jollyprez (jolly@prez.com), August 29, 1999.



Yes, I'm on lists. Way too many.

When *they* come knocking on my door, I'll say my SPAM filter wasn't working. :)

Besides, they won't find much since I'm relocating supplies to other locations every week.

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 29, 1999.


Does anyone else who uses a real email address on this list receive email from porn sites, how to make $$ sites, W97 sales, cruise offers...never got this stuff till I came here. Guess I got listed and my name is now on one of the big 50mil names CD's they keep trying to sell me.

-- Shelia (Shelia@active-stream.com), August 29, 1999.

I'd say: leave the Ark Institute off of any list of enterprises that callously sell their mailing lists for profit. I have full confidence in Geri Guidetti's intelligence and integrity (and products). She's no fool and is one of the original GI's. If anything, she might ask you to indicate whether you would like other mailings/announcements from HER, but basically, it would take a court order to get names out of her. And maybe not then.

-- Greg Lawrence (greg@speakeasy.org), August 29, 1999.

I'm listed on the webpals site as the PA State Coordinator. I ask people who contact me only what county they are in so I can give their email addresses to others in their area who have contacted me. I have gathered no names or physical addresses. I leave it to people in each area to contact others who are nearby via email and to assess for themselves whether they choose to exchange personal information or to meet. With so much of the population still oblivious to the potential threats bearing down on us, it's hard for many people to find others who are preparing, or who are willing to discuss their concerns. If you're in that situation and looking to meet other local GIs, I suggest that you at least contact your State's coordinator to ask what his or her modus operandi is.

-- Faith Weaver (suzsolutions@yahoo.com), August 29, 1999.

This allows one to find like-minded individuals who are also preparing. Yes, it could be misused. So are many other places that you send your e-mail address to... I suspect that this may be less harmful. What would be the difference between working with a state coordinator and going to a county Y2K committee meeting and leaving your e-mail address for additional information?

Of course, with my e-mail address, few take me seriously!

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), August 29, 1999.



Speaking of lists and "them" finding you.. a little story from my ancient history (early 70's). One Saturday morning EARLY Michael Green (the clean machine) from the FBI knocked on our door. Seems he wanted to know if we were Communists. We weren't. He said we were on their list. Whose list? The SDS - Students for a Democratic Society. Nope, we weren't members, didn't know anything about them. Later we figured out that the way we got that nice visit from Mr. Green was that there had been a big rally in Balboa Park and we had gone out of curiousity mostly, and had apparently signed some petition protesting the war in Vietnam. Just that.. and it earned us a file somewhere and a special early morning visit. Could have earned us a lot more if we had been interested. We were offered generous "scholorships" if we would just join various student organization and report back from time to time.

And that was over 20 years ago. How much worse it must be now.

Like jollyprez says, ain't it a shame we even have to ask the questions.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), August 29, 1999.


Aloha Madmonk-- I can't help but to agree with you. Could it be that those of us out here in the middle of the ocean simply have too many negative ions washing over us? I simply cannot get into a place where I detect danger around every corner. If situations truly reached that place, what's the point of even trying to avoid it all? I mean, we'll simply go the way so many billions before us have gone. Who cares? I don't mean to suggest that we should not be concious, just that when the anxiety reaches a certain level and separates us from the rest of our community, I for one don't really see any reason to go on. The fact is, I don't believe that this level of disintegration will occur. And I really don't give a hoot who knows who I am or where I am or anything else. I've already dealt with this issue in my life and have found that you simply go forward -- best defense is being pono (in balance) with yourself first and then everything falls in line. This is true.

-- grngrl (jhandt@gte.net), August 29, 1999.

Sheila, I setup my own email box just before I began lurking and posting here. (I also email Geri Guidetti at Ark Institute often, and know her as an ex-neighbor and long-time friend as well. Greg Lawrence is right; she guards privacy and is nobody's fool, and would never sell your name to make a buck.) I have never received one piece of junk email in this name, in the few months I've been using it, essentially only getting online to email a friend or Y2k forum/poster, or to visit the linked sites.

This is Not the case for my husband's mail box; he gets the junk mail you describe, and my kids used to before I told them to stay out of all the chat rooms. I think my husband gets the junk, tho he is rarely on line, because he is the primary mailbox with AOL. I've also heard that names are collected out of chat rooms and used for junk mail, with no regard for the age of the user or anything else. I'm not saying "no one is watching these sites", but IMHO these sites are not using our names to create junk e-mailing lists.

-- Kristi (KsaintA@aol.com), August 29, 1999.


I agree with you, grngrl (jhandt@gte.net). When I first grasped the threat, one of my earliest responses was to ask myself who I wanted to be as it all played out. Being anchored to your core self is the first essential of genuine preparation . . . for anything. It's all so much smoother from there.

-- Faith Weaver (suzsolutions@yahoo.com), August 30, 1999.

In Cleveland you don't get a y2k compliance report from the Division of Water unless you request it in writing. I did, but I wish I hadn't.

-- cmd0903 (cmd0903@wherever.com), August 30, 1999.


grngrl:
"Paranoia is merely a heightend sense of awareness."
"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not really out to get you."

-- A (A@AisA.com), August 30, 1999.

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