BIG OFF!

-- Y2KGardener (gardens@bigisland.net), August 22, 1999.

For background reading see the TBY2K Forum sub-category...

Military/Pentagon Papers/Hot Topics (New) Threads

http:// www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-one-category.tcl?topic= TimeBomb%202000%20%28Y2000%29&category= Military%2fPentagon%20Papers%2fHot%20Topics%20%28New%29

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 22, 1999.

You thank Jim Lord for posting his ridiculous Pentagon Papers scare?. He is to blame for the fiasco. It didnt help bring forth anything it just made alot of people more nervous for no reason.

Many of the companies announcing their compliance already did in web sites, mailings and public notices.

-- fiasco (fiasco@fiasco.com), August 22, 1999.

Sometimes a "fiasco" can trigger some much needed truth.

Yes, I thank them both.

Fact: The Navy documents were confirmed as "real" by no less than Koskinen.

Fact: We now have some "updated" documentation. (That may or may not be accurate).

Fact: Officials in local communities appear to be rushing to "strut" their Y2K stuff.

We will see... but yes, I think this may be an unexpected side- benefit.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 22, 1999.

Old fiasco is a real fiasco! Fiasco need to get it in his big skull, that this forum is only for us Y2K preparers!!! The pollys lurk here because of their ineficiencies and insecure feelings about Y2K!!

-- Y2K ready (Y2K@ready.com), August 22, 1999.

I do not trust the words compliant or ready. Why? Because at the end of every disclosure that is made is a big ol' fat disclaimer. You could argue that legally it has to be there. I believe we have become so accustomed to seeing that in the last 20 or so years, that we don't give much thought to it anymore. The fact is, this is all a company needs to legally get by even if they are lying through their teeth. Also, you probably would have noticed that whenever a statement is made it is couched with language , "confident" being an example, which forms another type of disclaimer.

-- Gia (laureltree7@hotmail.com), August 22, 1999.

I believe the only thing we will be hearing out of utilities and corporations is a reassurance that they are prepared and there's nothing to worry about. Problem is, there's millions of stupid people out there who will believe them and go about their business. We have seen disclaimers everywhere from utilities, corporations and government. So who is lying and why do the Pentagon Papers even exist? If millions of new GIs rush out today and start buying supplies, it would be catastrophic to the economy and banking. I don't believe the Pentagon Papers will have that big of effect on anyone. People are still asleep and will remain that way because that's just how some human beings are - hopelessly stupid.

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), August 22, 1999.

bardou, you may call them "hopelessly stupid", but I guarantee you they will have amazing memories with total recall when they pay their first visitations to our doors.

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 22, 1999.

I agree Randolph, and that's what's going to be the worse part. If you don't answer the door, they'll break in. If you answer the door you'll have to have shotgun in arms. If they don't leave, you'll have to take action. Something that probably none of us have ever experienced. I know that I can take care of myself and family and have prepared, but firing that first bullet is going to be the clencher.

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), August 22, 1999.

Do read the... Miami Herald Y2K Article.

They spell out what is ready, AND, what is not. This is a valuable side-benefit of more utility awareness generated over the past few days. Hope it continues, and wish my area would be so "organized."

Diane

See also...

Koskinen: "Very real Y2K dangers still exist in many small and midsize communities"

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001Hlq

NYTimes coverage of "Pentagon Papers of Y2K"

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001HfB

[snip]

Several utilities listed by Lord as having problems were swamped with inquiries following Lord's posting, which was reported by The Associated Press. Florida Power & Light was "astonished" to find itself listed as likely to crash in Fort Lauderdale and other areas it serves, said Bill Swank, a company spokesman. In fact, the power plant in Fort Lauderdale had already had its computers rolled over to Year 2000 dates and is performing flawlessly, Swank said.

[snip--to end]

Community Conversations... anyone?

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 22, 1999.