Its hard not to laugh..."This is just too important to let one or two people shut me up. Here is my post my warning to all! Please take heed!

Shut down all appliances. Trip the breaker to your house. When the GPS system crashes at midnight power is going start fluctuating. Without proper synchronazation, there will be meltdowns and rolling brownouts/blackouts!

This navy paper thing stinks to heaven! it is a DISTRACTION so we will fall prey to the disruptions! Separate yourself from the grid NOW!

Batten down the hatches, the roughest ride in history begins at the stroke of twelve! "

-- Tempest (in@tea.pot), August 21, 1999.

Well?

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro@hotmail.com), August 21, 1999

Answers

Pro, wasn't it obvious to you that that post was created by a polly troll? Or, are you playing "good cop, bad cop"? Is this your part of the game, Pro?

I think I even know who it was. One of our less ethical and even less respected game players.

Go back and look at that thread Pro. How many people jumped up scared and rushed to turn off their breakers? How many others pointed out this person was mistaken and suggested they post a link to back their claims? I know I was one of them.

What the heck are you here for anyway? Are you capable of providing anything to this forum that can be considered "useful information"?

So far, I've never seen anything come from you that can be considered useful.

Mike

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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 21, 1999.

I'm sorry Jethro but when I read your post I didnt notice where everyone had signed Tempest's post. Did you forget to cut and paste everyone's name? One person's post does not mean the whole group agree's with him. Watch out your fries are burning.

-- SgtSchultz (SgtHansSchultz@stalag13.com), August 21, 1999.

I know you're hoping it's something like, "Oh great and wise Y2K Pro, we all humble ourselves before your majesty and now debase ourselves to bend and kiss your all-knowing ass!"

Sorry. Mostly I just say, "Whew! One down, two to go".

-- Bokonon (bok0non@my-Deja.com), August 21, 1999.

Who the hell gives a shit about one person's prediction? I didn't shut my breakers down.

-- haha (haha@haha.com), August 21, 1999.

Y2K Pro = Tempest ???

I would not put it past this moron -- plant a phony idiotic post like this, then wave it at us later. Who knows, maybe Burger King Boy was also responsible for some of those screwy "August 11-13" type predictions, too.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), August 21, 1999.

Mike:

When it comes to having something to offer, Y2K Wannabe Pro is like Seven-Up: Never had it, never will.

Pro, wake us up when you have something of substanct to offer. Until then, that boring brown sarcasm that you've been pulling out of your backside belongs in your toilet. Of course, we all see that you have nothing but baseless opinions to offer anyway. :)

-- haha (haha@haha.com), August 21, 1999.

What could be more ironic than the King of Spain calling someone a moron? Hey Kingster, did your mother have any children that lived? Kingster, I sincerely hope you never attempt analytical thought because I'd hate to see the spectacle of your brain exploding!

-- Woe Is Me (wim@doom.gloom), August 21, 1999.

Children children! It's time to go to bed now, enough fighting.

Y2Kpro you're grounded for starting it. Stay off this forum until Christmas.

-- Mom (mom@your.house), August 22, 1999.

How do we know this Tempest post wasn't something Pro dreamed up himself, another of his handles, where he "tests the waters." You know, picture him sitting in his new tinfoil hat (he's obsessed with those) pounding his pud (he's obsessed with that) and dreaming of the end of the world (he's obsessed with that, too) all the while giggling to himself. Then he gets up, flashes off a Tempest post, and asks himself, and all here, "Well?" Now honestly, does that sound like something Pro could/would do?

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), August 22, 1999.

To be honest, the GPS rollover has been on the radar screens for several years now. And it was taken seriously enough to identify noncompliant receivers (usually the cheaper models?) and in time for people to replace them.

The y2k tie-ins were indirect at best -- that this is a time rollover issue, that banks and SCADA systems and ships use GPS, and y2k presumably endangers these same vulnerabilities.

But unlike y2k, the more pessimistic people tended to back off the GPS issue over time, for several reasons. First, we had good information on how pervasive the problem was and what was being done about it, and second too many pessimists were burned by all the pre- 2000 spike dates so far being duds. Of course, we have equally good information about what y2k affects and what's being done about it. And indeed, some people are backing off a bit, but those who aren't are becoming increasingly militant.

When nothing much happens, maybe they'll take credit for spreading the alarm in time?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), August 22, 1999.

I must admit, that I shut down my computer "just in case" before I went downtown to party with a handful of forum regulars. (more later) I don't rememeber the last time it was turned off. I left the refrigerator running though. The beer is still cold, ice cream didn't melt. I also wore my walking shoes "just in case." The subway brought me home. Just as I expected.

Yawn...

-- pshannon (pshannon@inch.com), August 22, 1999.

Aloha Pshannon -- I wanna know more about the party. Really! Aloha- Grngrl

-- grngrl (jhandt@gte.net), August 22, 1999.

y2k Amateur,

Time to put things in PERSPECTIVE for you!!

Tell me the estimated government and corporate budgets for remediating y2k as verses the GPS rollover.

Got the BIG PICTURE now!!

Your Pal, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), August 22, 1999.

Flint:

You said: "...are becoming increasingly militant."

I can't speak for "increasing", as I haven't been around this board for as long as you have, but I certainly DO see less a tendency to discuss Y2k than a tendency to express fear and distrust in the government in general and the current administration in particular.

-- Anita (spoonera@msn.com), August 22, 1999.

Y2K Pro,

I won't tell you how many "flaming" threads are started by "your DB polly/troll buds" just so you, et. al., can point the aluminum finger and laugh. (There are other group "troll actions" that are pretty tranparent as well, but I'll let you "guess" what I mean by that).

Pretty low tactics, IMHO. (But, not surprising).

Now...

Comparing the GPS glitch to Y2K is like comparing a Marble to the Moon.

The scale of the Y2K problem is global. You, and others, seem to conveniently forget that, to suit your unsubstantiated claims... as usual.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 22, 1999.

Diane:

I think you might like to clarify your position a bit. You said:

"Comparing the GPS glitch to Y2K is like comparing a Marble to the Moon.

The scale of the Y2K problem is global. You, and others, seem to conveniently forget that, to suit your unsubstantiated claims... as usual."

The GPS glitch was global in nature also. There are a lot of arguments you could use here, but global vs. national is NOT one of them.

-- Anita (spoonera@msn.com), August 22, 1999.

Y2KProzac=Tempest=Buddy

-- it's really true (it'sTrue@really.com), August 22, 1999.

Dianne, can you confirm if the above is true?

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), August 22, 1999.

I just hope, and pray, that Y2K is just as uneventful as today.

-- helium (heliumavid@yahoo.com), August 22, 1999.

Mom: LOL!!! No supper for him!

Ray: "Y2K Amateur" Exactly!!!

Anita: (sigh) What? We should trust the current adm.? Puh- leeze, if Klinton et.al. Told me "fish live in water" I would question my beliefs about water. BTW: I think Diane meant "size" when she compared GPS to y2K--now honestly, don't you too?

Diane: "Aluminium finger" ROLF...!!!

-- mar (derigueur2@aol.com), August 22, 1999.

The speculation that this prediction by Tempest(in@teapot) was a plant is just that - speculation. Unless some hard information is forthcoming that identifies the person and gives a reasonable account of their motives in posting the prediction, all we have is the post itself to examine. Nothing more.

So, based on the post itself, what do we have? A rather frantic, anonymous person promising a catastrophe without any factual backup. The only attempt made to persuade the reader was that the writer exposed (anonymously) their own state of conviction and fear that this would happen.

Reasonable people do not act on such grounds. I certainly didn't. How many of you did?

So, is there any reason for Y2KPro to crow? No. One anonymous person scared out of their wits got it wrong, tried to take others with them, and probably failed to persuade anyone. It was sad. Nothing else.

Does this incident shed any light on the various predictions made for Y2K? A little. It tells us that any similar substanceless bits of fear posted on the subject of Y2K are, well, without substance. They are not persuasive because they do not reveal the facts that persuaded the writer, and they should not convince anyone to act.

But that unpersuasiveness cuts both ways. Being without substance, this preediction says nothing to bolster either position. Y2KPro has not demonstrated that all claims for Y2K are substanceless, but only that this claim by this person was without merit. It wasn't even a claim about Y2K, for heavens sake!

We may all believe that Tempest(in@teapot) has shot his or her credibility all to hell, if they had any to begin with. Since we do not even know who the person was, we are no wiser than before. It's a wash.

Now, Y2KPro, if you want to make something of substance out of this, you'll need to prove that all claims about Y2K actually originated with this Tempest person and therefore have no credibility. Good luck. Come back as soon as you succeed and let us know. Boy! Will my face be red!

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), August 22, 1999.

Flint moaned:

And indeed, some people are backing off a bit, but those who aren't are becoming increasingly militant.

Yep that's me. It's up and at 'em at 0500 when I slip from my jammies to my cammies and begin PSYCOP maneuvers on TB2000. Hup 2 3 4 Hup 2 3 4...

LOL

-- a (a@a.a), August 22, 1999.

oh oh, it seems "tempest" has his aluminium cap in a bunch.

"So it didn't happen! Big fucking deal! Where is the harm in being prepared? Why do the damn pollys even give a shit about people who want to live independant?

So this turns out to be nothing. It was GREAT to test out my stuff. I WILL be ready for January. The stupid pollys can't say the same. I will do the same run through on September 9th. You pollys want to taunt me about that to? I could give a flying fuck!

Y2Kpimple you can fuck off and die as far as I care. Why do you give a shit that people want to help and protect others from harm? If you don't get YOUR shit together you will be DEAD on the first of the year. It won't hurt my feelings you did it to yourself.

-- Tempest (in@tea.pot), August 23, 1999. "

Geez, you have to laugh at this numbnuts. "oops it didn't happen. oh well".

Yeah, like the Tinfoil Brigade of Doom will just say "oh well" next year.

Some of you are going to snap. I hope you aren't near any daycare centers when you do.

-- Super Polly (Fu_Q_y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), August 23, 1999.

The thread with a list of GPS glitches so far is at:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001HTg

"***Submit any GPS failures***"

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), August 23, 1999.

BFD Kev.

You really think that "list" counts for a belch in a barfight?

Face it, GPS went S-M-O-O-T-H as expected.

I predict the same thing for y2k. Every business that was to lazy to get there butts in gear will suffer, just like the morons who didn't bother to upgrade there receivers for GPS.

-- Super Troll (Fu_Q_y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), August 23, 1999.