Well if Jim Lord is to be believed, this should just about do it for ths polys

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Go to this link, http:www.jimlord.to/SourceofInfo.cfm. click down throw each directory link, read it all, then report back with your commentary. The doomers will be addind to there stash today ,big time...some of the polys will be converted. Go Navy!

-- Les (yoyo@tolate.com), August 19, 1999

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You beat me to it Les:

Secret Government Study Reveals Massive Y2K Problems in American Cities

How many days could New York City survive without water and sewer services? How long would it take to evacuate eight million people in the dead of winter? Would thousands die in the process? Tens of thousands? More? When would the rioting and looting begin? How many National Guard troops would it take to control the largest city in the nation? What unthinkable devastation would be wrought on the global financial system? How might our enemies seize on the ensuing panic and confusion?

Are these the crazed speculations of a Y2K alarmist? Not if you know what the US Navy and Marine Corps know. According to a June 1999 report titled, "Master Utility List," they believe "total failure is likely" for New York City's water and sewer systems because of Y2K problems.

And they're holding this information back.

The Navy Department assessment is not limited to New York City; it covers all their shore facilities in the world-nearly 500 locations. The results are horrifying. They expect more than 26 million American citizens in 125 cities to be without electricity, water, gas or sewer services next January. Many more would be affected in foreign countries. London, England for example is expected to experience failures of all four types of utilities. Many of the people impacted by these failures would be military personnel and their families.

And the Navy Department isn't telling anyone.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), August 19, 1999.


Les,

There are two other new threads on this same subject already this morning. Please know I don't wish to hurt your feelings. The traffic on this forum is very heavy. Perhaps we could stick with the others.

Best Wishes,

-- Bingo1 (howe9@pop.shentel.net), August 19, 1999.


Jim Lord- a man of guts and integrity! We need more good people like that in the USA. Sadly enough, there are very few of them! This has become a country of decievers and whimps! All they care about is to keep business as usual until the very end. They don't care if millions will die! It's all about money-money-money!!! Just follow the dollar!

-- freddie (freddie@thefreeloader.com), August 19, 1999.

The above was by Jim Lord on his site. The below is from Dr. North:

Subject: Jim Lord Posts Results of a Leaked Navy Document. If It's Legitimate, Then I've Been a Polyanna. Comment: As you know by now, this is the hard core doomsday site on y2k. Yes, the anonymous Infomagic is a bit farther out than I am, although I have never had the courage to say, "he's wrong on this point." He makes sense to me: plausible though not completely convincing, since y2k really is a unique event in history. Paul Milne is harder core than I am with respect to the invitability factor, though not with respect to the scenario itself: "If you live within five miles of a 7-11, you're toast." We all agree on the scenario of the possible; the others see fewer ways out.

Jim Lord was fairly close to my position at first. Then he drifted back a few paces. Now, out of nowhere, he has overtaken me and moved into Milne country. Anyway, this document does.

Someone leaked a document to him. Lord is a Navy vet. Maybe that's how he got access to it. I don't know. Maybe it's a fake. I don't know that, either. But he has been a straight-shooter on y2k from 1996. He does not overstate his case. That's why I am posting this.

The document he summarizes on his site is a Navy report on which cities will face which loss of which public utilities. If the report is both real and accurate in its assessment, then the political order of the United States of America is either at the crossroads or a dead end. Both parties will be caught flat-footed and deeply involved in a cover-up. Texas will be a disaster, as will George W. Bush's candidacy. He will not be going on speaking tours in 2000.

If Robert Bennett had not wimped out so badly, he would be the obvious dark horse candidate.

How will they run the elections next year? Not by computer, surely. Nobody will trust the results.

The military defense of the United States will be compromised next year.

Click through. Go through the left-hand links, one by one. Each page is accessed through the links.

The charts of the cities are on the second link.

The report is presently a rumor. I trust the rumor-bringer. I suggest that you factor in this rumor with the other information you have.

I moved out of the city in 1998. I suspected that this scenario is plausible. If the U.S. Navy does, too, then I'm glad I moved out.

44 cities are listed under the category, "total failure is likely." The largest is New York City. The second largest is Baltimore. My newsletter is pubished in Baltimore. The woman who has handled the details for the last 18 months is moving to Florida on Friday. I guess she believed Remnant Review. I hope she isn't moving to one of the many Florida cities on these charts.

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How many days could New York City survive without water and sewer services? How long would it take to evacuate eight million people in the dead of winter? Would thousands die in the process? Tens of thousands? More? When would the rioting and looting begin? How many National Guard troops would it take to control the largest city in the nation? What unthinkable devastation would be wrought on the global financial system? How might our enemies seize on the ensuing panic and confusion?

Are these the crazed speculations of a Y2K alarmist? Not if you know what the US Navy and Marine Corps know. According to a June 1999 report titled, "Master Utility List," they believe "total failure is likely" for New York City's water and sewer systems because of Y2K problems.

And they're holding this information back.

The Navy Department assessment is not limited to New York City; it covers all their shore facilities in the world-nearly 500 locations. The results are horrifying. They expect more than 26 million American citizens in 125 cities to be without electricity, water, gas or sewer services next January. Many more would be affected in foreign countries. London, England for example is expected to experience failures of all four types of utilities. Many of the people impacted by these failures would be military personnel and their families.

And the Navy Department isn't telling anyone.

Forty-five of the cities named in the survey have population greater than 100,000. Eight of the nation's dozen largest metropolitan areas are affected. Here's what the Navy expects:

Dallas-no water.

Washington DC and Philadelphia-no gas

Baltimore, Houston, New York and Miami--no water or sewer.

Atlanta-no water or gas

San Antonio-no water or electricity.

Fort Worth and New Orleans-no water, gas or sewer services.

And the Navy Department is saying nothing. . . . Link: http://www.jimlord.to/SecretSurvey.cfm

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), August 19, 1999.


It never fails to amaze me when people post something that is just two threads below it. And now we have three threads on this. Don't these poeple read this fourm?

-- Come on people (Get with@it.com), August 19, 1999.


Jim Lord has always been a very moderate and careful poster. I respect his opinions very much. He was often at the forefront of spotting dangerous areas ahead of the "crowd." Dangers in the oil situation for instance. Or martial law. Back in November, 1998, Jim ran a good article on Westergaard regarding martial law. While the reference to Executive Order numbers is now dated, or rather updated by the Prez, his overall look at the situation is still correct:

www.y2ktimebomb.com/Tip/Lord/lord9846.htm

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), August 19, 1999.


Sometimes it's best to have a fresh thread, with text (content of article) that starts at the top.

PS: The pollies won't get this, as with any other document (and there have been thousands of hard-hitting ones). They believe that it's ALL KOOK information (no matter what the source). Like sheep, until the TV or USA Today, tells them the game is over, they WILL NOT BELIEVE.

-- dw (y2k@outhere.com), August 19, 1999.


Hey "come on people", quit your complaining! When 4 or 5 people at the same time post their comments, the above is the results! Just shut up and read!

-- freddie (freddie@thefreeloader.com), August 19, 1999.

Dittos, and double Dittos....

-- Dittos (Dittos@Dittossss.com), August 19, 1999.

Sorry about the duplication of threads, but I think it would be more helpfull to those who have to visit many many sites each day, as DW points out, to be more on topic at the primary question link. I myself look for questions of importants to me, in my study of the overall Y2K problem. I shutter to think of passing on a truly important subject simply because someone got qutecy with the main question. That being said is there not also some relevance to the aggressive need of folks when they , like most of us that visit this forum, find subjects of importance need to get it out ASAP. I quickly checked the questions and I was amazed that no pickup on Jim Lord. But I guess look closer next time. Now that the mutual bullshit is out of the way, if the content of Jim Lords document is correct, then I will be spending less time here swapping spit, and more time getting ready...Good Luck

-- Les (yoyo@tolate.com), August 19, 1999.


Les, I have typed in your link carefully, but it will not even MOVE, not even tell me "cannot find, etc." That's strange! Can you help here?

-- Elaine Seavey (Gods1sheep@aol.com), August 19, 1999.

Here's Jim Lord's bio for those who are not familiar with him.

Jim Lord is a retired Naval Officer with 24 years active service who came up through the enlisted ranks. His career was spent in the electronics field, including a tour as the Electronics Maintenance Officer on an aircraft carrier. At age 33, he earned a degree in Business, graduating with honors from the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California.

Following his military career, Mr. Lord was involved in shipbuilding, communication systems design, satellite systems, software engineering, training and marketing. This experience has included nine years in the software industry. For two and a half years, he taught business courses at a community college in southern Maryland.

Married for nearly 37 years, Mr. Lord and his wife, Betty have eight children and five grandchildren. They reside in Davidsonville, Maryland.

Complete Bio here

-- Chris (%$^&^@pond.com), August 19, 1999.


Elaine, here's a working hotlink;

http://www.jimlord.to/se cretsurvey.cfm

and here's the other thread where this is being discussed

http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001GWN

-- Chris (%$^&^@pond.com), August 19, 1999.


scene from =movie TITANIC [band start,s playing''nearer my GOD to thee''---1/3 of mankind die,s--religion is =O.T.

-- bye,bye,american-pie. (dogs@zianet.com), August 19, 1999.

A very nicely formatted version of the paper has been posted at the Free Republic website.

-- Lane Core Jr. (elcore@sgi.net), August 19, 1999.


why tu k poo-pooer...where are you sweetie???? working the early shift at Burger King or out stocking up on preps?????or did you just crawl back in your hole?????

-- jaime estrada (beseme@dedo.net), August 19, 1999.

Les, with all due respect, I think that you underestimate our pollies considerably. Look, both Clinton and Koskinen could go on TV tonight, and sheepishly say, "Yep, its true." Tomorrow, Flint would write up a 70,000 word post, Hoffmeister would present statistics up the ying-yang, double-Decker would be babbling about free market forces, and Paul Davis would just spout something even more silly than whatever the last silly thing that he said. THESE PEOPLE CANNOT BE CONVINCED.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), August 19, 1999.

KOS

Are you sure the word 'convinced' is the proper one??

Should it not be 'brain-washed' as that is a more appropriate description?

Makes sense to me......

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), August 19, 1999.


You ARE the perfect example of Whitehouse spin brainwashing Deano.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 19, 1999.

Question: To where will (supposedly) millions of people to evacuated TO? If the city doesn't have water and sewage disposal for hundreds of thousands or millions, how will some old army base have sufficient?

-- A (A@AisA.com), August 19, 1999.

See...

Koskinen's "Take" On Jim Lord's Pentagon Papers (Steve Davis-- Coalition 2000))

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001GgI



-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 19, 1999.


It seems to me now that the critical question now is, are these just the cities they investigated because they have navy/marine personell there or are there even more cities?

-- sue (deco100@aol.com), August 19, 1999.

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