THE RELIABLE SOURCE

By Lloyd Grove
With Beth Berselli
Tuesday, August 17, 1999; Page C03

THE SOURCE'S EXCITING SUMMER MAILBAG

The Militia of Montana and its conspiracy- minded founder, John Trochmann, are reveling in a recent letter from Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), asking for help to kill gun control provisions in the 1999 crime bill. "I'll continue to be working for you and all Montanans in keeping our personal freedoms intact," a grammatically challenged Burns wrote last month. "Conrad Burns is one of the few with guts enough to tell it like it is," Trochmann told us, rejecting widespread characterizations of his militia as racist, dangerous and wacky. Burns's press secretary, Matt Raymond, said the letter was mailed to nearly 500 Montanans who'd written the senator. "Sixty-two percent of Montanans supported Conrad in the last election, but he doesn't share every view of every one who voted for him," Raymond said. Such as Trochmann's claim that Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan speaks with a foreign accent, changed his name from Alon Grzynspyn, and caused the looming Y2K apocalyse to foment chaos and the rise of one-world government. "Senator Burns shouldn't be sending the Militia of Montana any letter at all," said Ken Toole, of the Montana Human Rights Network. "It gives them credibility."

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), August 17, 1999

Answers

The FBI is working closely with the militias, as both are concerned about groups that are actually dangerous and advocate violence, like the Aryan Nations. Is the the FBI "racist, dangerous and wacky," dipshit?

Freeman

-- Freeman (free@large.ccp), August 17, 1999.

As the article states, you should not respond to ANY of PRO'S posts. It gives credibility to the incredible.

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), August 17, 1999.

I realize this should be on the Preps Forum but it seemed like a good opportunity to remind everyone that the tin foil turkey roasters make magnificent hats, which also protect the back of the neck. The new tin foil cooking bags, if split down one side, make delightful little elf-like numbers for the children's protection, rather like the Dutch-girl caps if you curl the corners.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), August 17, 1999.

I'm quite sure that the FBI are not "racist, dangerous and wacky" but since you are apparently defending Trochmann, what does that make you?

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), August 17, 1999.

Y2K Pro, you are showing characteristic ignorance. The FBI has a history of EXTREME racism. Their illegal infiltration of the Black Panther Party in the 60's and 70's is widely known and thoroughly documented by sources so "respectable" they wouldn't scare even a meek conformist such as yourself. You seem to subscribe to Orwell's satirical slogan "Ignorance is Strength".

-- Ct Vronsky (vronsky@anna.com), August 17, 1999.

Are (accurate) statements such as those below from Bobby Seale down your memory hole, Y2K Pro ? Oh I get it, that was then, and this is now. Convenient. Asshole.

Our work caused the late F.B.I. director J. Edgar Hoover to intensify the government's COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program) attacks against the Party. These attacks on Panthers, on our homes and our offices, most often led by state and local police, were particularly vicious during the 1969. On December 4th of that year in Chicago, Fred Hampton and Mark Clark were murdered in their sleep during a police raid. Two days later, a telephone conversation between then- California governor Ronald Reagan and J. Edgar Hoover preceded the police attack on the Los Angeles Black Panther party office. A four- hour shoot-out ensued between Los Angeles Police and Black Panthers.

-- Ct Vronsky (vronsky@anna.com), August 17, 1999.

Y2K Passhole, try this on for size (By Dr. Earl Ofari Hutchinson, author of "Beyond O.J." Race, Sex and Class Lessons for America".)

Despite the NAACP's publicity expressed and privately enforced anti- Communism, Hoover continued to view the civil rights leaders with a mix of fear, suspicion an hatred. Hoover's dangerous obsession with finding Communists behind every civil rights march, demonstration or protest, led to the well-documented illegal covert campaign to tarnish and smear black organizations and leaders, from the NAACP to Martin Luther King as Communist subversives.

-- Ct Vronsky (Vronsky@Anna.Com), August 17, 1999.

Also down your memory (ass)hole Y2K Pro ? (from http://crimemagazine.com/Assassinations/who.htm)

By late 1967, at FBI field offices in the South, there were white agents enlisting the aid of white supremacists to try to neutralize black activists. The key target was Dr. King. It is common knowledge that the FBI used wiretaps on King (approved by Attorney General Robert Kennedy, who would later express regret for signing the wiretap authorization). The most infamous recording involves King making love to a woman in a hotel room - a tape that Hoover enjoyed sharing.

-- Ct Vronsky (Vronsky@anna.com), August 17, 1999.

And, y2k pro, you don't think the above is still happening, only now the illegalities are directed towards other currently unpopular groups ? Truly you deserve whatever you get when they knock on your door early some cold morning. Asshole.

-- Ct Vronsky (Vronsky@anna.com), August 17, 1999.

Old Git, But then what do we use to protect the turkeys?

-- Mara Wayne (MaraWAyne@aol.com), August 17, 1999.

...seems ol' CT has a little trouble putting all his "thoughts" in one post...Perhaps the tinfoil is wrapped a little tight...

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), August 17, 1999.

Old Git,

Thanks for that tip. Mara, if you use the tinfoil first to roast the turkey and then wear it, you will not only look good but smell good too! It will be a mark of affluence to all who see you. Y2k Pro often gets his thoughts muddled, and here is another example. In Montana, they wear Stetsons, not tinfoil, yet. The tinfoil craze is currently restricted to California and hasn't made its way across the Rockys. Probably never will catch on in Montana anyway.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), August 17, 1999.

Git: My favorite mailing list has settled on metal colanders as being the best headgear. Afer all, the little feet make marvelous antenna, and the holes stop the pesky perspiration buildup. Side handles make for easy position adjustment. Tuning in is much easier too, just place one foot in a bucket of kool-aid (sheep dip is too expensive, but kool aid is socailly acceptable, cheap and still has the electrolytes necessary for proper signal conduction and grounding to the earth, and comes in many lovely designer colors). Face north, and turn the colander around on head until desired reception potential is met. After almost 2 years of folowing this issue, Ive learned a few tips. Dont believe everything you read. Dont disbelieve everything you read. It can get really bad, even if I dont want it to; denial is a response to threat or tragedy, personal or global, not a guarantee. I may not be able to change the events in my life, but I am the only one who has total control of my reaction to them. Preparation beats the hell out of panic-for a flat tire, a burnt dinner, an illness, and by extrapolation,a TEOTWAWKI. The more I learn, the more responsibility I take for myself and family, the more confident I am of my ability to deal with any situation, and that includes any scenario that occurs in my normal life, or if it should become ABnormal. Funny thing is, if this really is only a BITR, I'll still be a better consumer, a smarter consumer, and a better citizen- because of the learning and investigations I have done in this time. All in all, a smidgeon of paranoia may not be a bad thing-prevents paralyzing shock. Especially since life has so many other little surprises in it. YMMV

-- LauraA (Laadedah@aol.com), August 17, 1999.

...seems ol' CT has a little trouble putting all his "thoughts" in one post...Perhaps the tinfoil is wrapped a little tight...

Boy, Pro, you sure refuted the historical facts I presented brilliantly ! Left me in the dust, man ! And some accuse Pollies of lacking logic in their rebuttals ! Ouch !

-- Ct Vronsky (Vronsky@anna.com), August 17, 1999.

It's nice to know that one person, dare I say god, has figured out the workings of the entire globe. Not only that but this person knows all and see's all, for he knows, without a doubt that ALL people in all nations are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. No one is commiting acts of treason, or conspiracy or trickery. This world, under his superior supervision, is a grand and wonderfull place where only good exist's, but I must digress, and return to my shrine.

-- CygnusXI (noburnt@toast.net), August 18, 1999.

LauraA,

I loved your information and suggestions about how to fine-tune one of these devices. Koolaid, what a great idea. And you can drink it afterward too! Your later commentary was good as well, and I agree with you on that. I wish somebody would start to offer some bumper stickers that said "Just Because I'm Paranoid, Doesn't Mean Y2K (Pro) Isn't Out To Get Me."

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), August 18, 1999.

Sir Gordon of the kool-aid,

Please reconsider yuor advice on drinking the kool-aid.

I believe she had referenced improving the tin foil/colander ground plane interference reception by standing with one foot in the kool-aid. If so, and I don't really know the young lady well enough to ask, but I would dare expect that a y2k-compliant toe (after 01/01/2000 at least) may be a wee bit, say we say delicately "ripe" and or non-hygenic to the touch.

If so, I would not arbitrarily recommend drinking the kool-aid subsequent to the ground plane improvement action. Boiling the kool-aid perhaps, but not drinking.

Now, the alternative is to boil th etoe - not perhaps desirous by the "boilee"; or employ a suitable disinfectant: my I suggest a good 1999 vintage?

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), August 18, 1999.