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I'm lost, I'm confused and I'm going crazy. Most people are waiting to see what happens. Some are preparing but most are not. Time is running out or is it? Think I'll keep lurking. Who ever comes to this fourm is surely going to be as confused and dazed as I am, with all the it's going to be bad, nothing's going to happen, it's a big hoax, it's not. I have no idea what will happen. Do you?

-- Lurker (Lost@what0think.com), August 17, 1999

Answers

I understand. Most here will. Ignore those who would minimize your concerns - they do not have your best interests at heart. Check the archives and waltz on over to the Y2k prep forum.

The best way to get ready is to imagine that there is going to be no fuel, power, water, sewage treatment or food deliveries. That way you are as ready as you can be for whatever comes.

See what you already have. Do you have camping gear? Friends in the country? A well stocked bar? Tally your resources. Think about a place near you with low population and running water. Buy cheap non- perishable food. Make sure you have warm clothing - if not go to the thrift store and get some. Sleeping bags are a must as is bleach. Vodka is a medicine cabinet in a bottle.

Keep reading and asking questions. You may get some rude responses but you will also get many sincere ones. My e-mail is real. Feel free to contact me if you wish.

-- R (riversoma@aol.com), August 17, 1999.


Lurker,

"Who ever comes to this fourm is surely going to be as confused and dazed as I am, with all the it's going to be bad, nothing's going to happen, it's a big hoax, it's not. I have no idea what will happen."

Welcome to the great Y2K disconnect.

I'm still confused, and have been studing/researching the Y2K global landscape since last October.

My conclusions? It is NOT a hoax, or so much money wouldn't have been spent at trying to fix the "potential problems" nor would so many vested interests be trying to "keep the lid on" the truth of the situation.

Bottom line...

Prepare for disruptions in your lifestyle. Basics make sense... food, water... etc. And plan on camping at home... or eslewhere. I'm choosing 6 months worth of readiness... but that's a personal choice. To each their own decision... depending on personal circumstances and... location, location, location.

Good luck! Or is that... lurk?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 17, 1999.


Hey,

I'll sign on as Today's Lurker #2. Supplementary question: is *this forum* heating up? Has there actually been a recent shift in the tenor of posts, or is it business as usual in the discussion group?

Glad you're all out there thinking.

-- PH (ag3@interlog.com), August 17, 1999.


We feel the same here in the woods, but you never know in this day and age what the next day will bring. We have stoped at a 90 day supply of food if its any worse than that we don't want to live in a world like that. We feel thing's could get rough for a few weeks mostly because of the unknows, but America has allways muddled trough everything throun at it, so do not let it get you too down.

-- Lurker too (Same@boat.com), August 17, 1999.

No one knows! My friend thinks that something signficant will happen with GPS rollover--that's soon enough to judge!

-- Mara Wayne (MaraWAyne@aol.com), August 17, 1999.


You won't hear nutin from the CPS rollover. When will you people give up! Oh yeah 1-1-00 bang

-- Your Friend too (No@way.com), August 17, 1999.

Lurker,

Please understand,the fact that u are reading this forum leads me to conclude you have anxiety over something. Is that something...something..or nothing

Lets look at the facts,one need not be a genius to figure something is a miss. 1.stockmarket....do u believe everyone in US can earn aliving simply by trading stocks.Do u believe in Santa Claus?So something will happen to those 401ks 2.World Outlook...Russia imploding,Japan caput,Asia depression(30% of world GDP)South America..DOA...what does all of that have to do with us...Alot 50%+ of what we cosume is exported.They owe alot to our banks$$$...default 3.Y2K....will it be the end of the world...I do not think so will it be nothing a hoax...NO..we already have examples of Y2K problems,

So what are you're options 1.prepare for something 2.do nothing 1.prepare for something...basic buy rice and beans,water rice costs...20lbs..7$,beans lentils 10lbs...5$...Tuna...10cans 8$ water containers 5gal...cost 8$. Rice...200lbs= 70$ beans..100lbs= 50$ Tuna.200 cans= 160$ water 10*5gall=50gal=80$ total cost=360$ All of this I did quickly,seconds 360$ buys u time..minimum

Of course I am preparing for alot worse scenario,but thats my conclusion.Better safe than sorry.Start with the basics work yuo're way up on the day to day info.

Option 2.do nothing and something happens maybe 2 weeks no power what then.Too late to go to store everyone will be there.

-- Drken (Drken@bubble.gone), August 17, 1999.


Lurker... I feel the same way... daily... dazed and confused that it could possibly be as bad as it could get, what a change in lifesytle these changes will bring...

I drive down the road and look at other drivers and wonder what part of us will still be on the way to work (commute from country) after the year 2000, or before...

Putting my life into perspective now I feel very lucrative, even though our household is a joe six-pack, we have a homestead with a natural water source, provisions, most definately a gi mindset... husband was raised in tenn backwoods.. we will survive...

I marvel at the running water in our bathtub everyday... love it...

But, being a COBOL programmer, and having studied the subject for quite some time, I know that there will be SERIOUS (am I shouting?) repercussions on many fronts including the supply of many things we now take for granted including water, gas, electricity, and food. The minimum that can possibly happen is economically we will have problems with cash and inflation can't miss.

Stock up NOW (I am shouting...)... don't postpone another day... get water, food first... start TODAY... then evaluate your situation in terms of location, security, employment, money,... you know all the stuff and formulate a plan.

Do something for your plan EVERYDAY, until you are satisfied. Don't try to bring your naysayer friends along... if they don't get it after your first discussion, let it go and if you feel you must, prepare for them too. Expect to be frustrated when others don't jump on your bandwagon... move on...

Good luck... keep the faith

-- booann (cantsay@lovemyjob.edu), August 17, 1999.


I'm w/ you-all in spirit. Proud to say that I instigated the move toward a wind system on a friend's farm last summer--and now it's up and running, so we've got a bug-out locale. We 'unschooled' our under- 10 kids last year, and had a great (if challenging) time, so we've unhitched those institutional apron strings. Doing it again will be easy. I'd rather not leave my small house in nice city (new steel roof!), but we're all psyched to split if need be, and leave the beans to our neighbours.

The biggest issue is truly the prep that goes on in your head (acceptance, readiness) and your body (fitness).

So is the *discussion* heating up here, or has this happened before?

-- PH (ag3@interlog.com), August 17, 1999.


Lurker, we on this forum understand where you are coming from: we've all come from the same place to calmer places. I have come to the calmer place by becoming as prepared as possible. All this in just 4 1/2 months, so I know you can do it...but as booann says, you must do it very, very fast at this late date. Go to the Preparation Forum and its archives and learn rapidly what you need to stock. You need to be able to keep warm, have light, and a means of self defense, in addition to the food and water mentioned above. Also, a first aid and over-the-counter medical supply, as well as prescription meds ahead.

As to what is going to happen, no one here or anywhere else, KNOWS for sure. However, there was an interesting thread a couple of weeks ago which asked if people were having premonitions or uneasiness about the turn of the year, and a lot of intelligent, thoughtful people gave the same response: YES, they were! Intuition is one of man's oldest abilities, often pushed down in our hectic modern materialistic culture, but alive and well in native populations that are more unspoiled, and in many individuals in techno society, many of whom are afraid to say it aloud to others for fear of being considered "nut cases."

But in addition to the sense of something imminent, there are the harsh realities of today's news, mentioned by someone above. And there are human factors to consider, aside from the date rollover and embedded chips: the fact that some very evil humans have threatened to hack into our infrastructure and bring it down, one whose pseudonym is known to the government from previous successful attempts to enter guarded systems. Then there are the terrorists, who seem liable to captitalize on disruptions to wreak destruction. There is the monetary instability around the world which threatens to undo us all economically in the next few months, never mind at rollover. And increasingly in our own nation we are seeing the erosion of our constitutional rights, which could bring about massive disruptions as citizens seek to maintain or reclaim those rights.

With all of this brewing, preparation for oneself and ones' household are not only extremely prudent, but really, essential. Modern society has robbed us of self-sufficiency, and if nothing else, preparing for Y2K in very deliberate, careful, informed (thanks to this and other such forums!!) steps has given me a sense of self reliance that I now treasure. Our just-in-time mentality has robbed us of so much that I never realized before! My Mormon friends have lived the preparation lifestyle for the past century and more, and rural Americans live it as a commonplace. There is nothing unusual about preparing ahead, and you need to look at it this way in order to get past all of those questions which I have a feeling are tying up your creative energies into a knot...I know that sort of rumination does that to me...and just GET BUSY FAST. Good luck, and may God bless your efforts.

-- Elaine Seavey (Gods1sheep@aol.com), August 17, 1999.



Lurker, I had to look it up first, so am posting as a P.S. to above post. On this forum go to q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001EZ0 to see a thread entitled 14 DAYS PREPARATIONS by Stan Faryna. You will find a really tidy, concise description of what you need to do for that time period, and you can increase it as you feel intuitively to do. If you have difficulty gettint to it, under OLDER FORUMS it is listed in caps, from late last week, so it's easy to find.

-- Elaine Seavey (Gods1sheep@aol.com), August 17, 1999.

Lurker...good news...just go up four posts above yours and you will find a re-post of 14 DAYS PREPARATIONS!

-- Elaine Seavey (Gods1sheep@aol.com), August 17, 1999.

One more time.................. The puters/embbeded chips that have a y2k problem will without ANY doubt FAIL, unless they are corrected, period. Where they are, how many of them there are, what do they run. We don't know all of those answers. When will you have your next car wreck? Do you have insurance? There are just toooooooooo many puters/chips out there to know what is going to fail. Cover your a** NOW. THE CLOCK IS TICKING. We are heading for what I beleive to be, a world wide financial meltdown. That is not going to help y2k or you prepare either.

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), August 17, 1999.

Errrrrr that's embedded. Sorry

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), August 17, 1999.

In addition to lurking on this forum to find out about Y2K, you might want to consider reading these books:

The Millennium Bug...by Michael Hyatt (1998)

TimeBomb2000... by Edward Yourdon (1997) or the second edition (1999)

Man and Society in Calamity ...by P.A. Sorokin (1942)

What Will Become of Us...Counting Down to Y2K ...by Julian Gregori (1998)

www.y2ksafeminnesota.com

-- MinnesotaSmith (y2ksafeminnesota@hotmail.com), August 17, 1999.



Welcome to world of Y2K. I studied this subject and was in denial for 3 months (May 98-July98). You don't have as much time to wade through everything and need to decide right now. Started preps last summer, albeit slowly at first, and now am not sure if we can get everything on our list. Listen to the programmers (I am not one). But when you find that many are preparing, what does that tell you. If you end up with extra food and don't need it next year, find a good charity and make a nice gift. It's not easy having others make fun of your preps, but remember this "you wouldn't care what others think of you if you knew how often they think of you".

-- bill (lost@inthedesert.com), August 18, 1999.

14 Days of Preparations

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001FsG

Lurker,

As Elaine suggests, you can use this guide to begin your preparations for 14 days or more. I can imagine how alone you might feel in your concern and how weird it feels to prepare when everythings is ok, today. I felt very alone when I got it. I had much anxiety when I began my preparations. On the one hand, the risks posed by the Y2K technology problem are daunting. On the other hand, preparing for Y2K was also an equally daunting task of research, budgeting, and buying. Since I came to the forum, the forum members have done a great deal to organize information better and provide it in a condensed version. There are some wonderful, intelligent, and caring people on this forum. Don't you be too bashful to talk to us (publicly or privately).

Keep on keeping on.

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (info@giglobal.com), August 18, 1999.


R. wrote:

The best way to get ready is to imagine that there is going to be no fuel, power, water, sewage treatment or food deliveries. That way you are as ready as you can be for whatever comes.

To which one might consider the effects of adding:

no emergency services, including police, fire, doctors and EMTs.

Ann

-- Ann Y Body (annybody@nowhere.dis.org), August 18, 1999.


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