Is there anything else that can be said about Y2K? We have over 4,000 threads at our finger tips on every subject one can imagine. We have analyzed, desensitized, moralized, demoralized, scenarioed (is that a word?), Y2K to death on this forum. Many have been on here from the beginning and in between, and a few are newbies. Where are we going and what do we need and want now from this forum? Time is short, what now is most important?

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), August 11, 1999

Answers

Prayer.

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 11, 1999.

Families.

-- Super (slfsl@yahoo.com), August 11, 1999.

We just need each other for mutual support. I've gained several freinds across the country on this forum, and we help each other in many ways. Thoughtful suggestions, insights into specialized fields are a real help.

Keep it up (trolls excepted)

Bob P

-- Bob P (rpilc99206@aol.com), August 11, 1999.

Yes prayer.....

Plus mental preparations to come to grips with maybe a '10'. I think that I'm prepared, but how can you really prepare for quite possibly the most drastic change most of us have been through. Certainly our DGI/DWGI friends, neighbors and family are in no position to understand and if it gets that bad and will be anchors most likely. Sometimes I feel so alone in this GI world that it's the solitude that I have to deal with the most. Thanks to everyone just being there....

-- PJC (paulchri@msn.com), August 12, 1999.

Hey Bardou!

Maybe the word your looking for is "Scenarioedized"?

Know how you feel, I'm going through a love-hate (well, maybe not hate) feeling in regards to Y2K, and this forum. A lot of us old threaders are gone now, worn out, tired or retired. What's left to discuss that hasn't been said 16,000 times before?

As to what is important now, I'd say that community and news are the two reasons why I still feel drawn like a moth to this board. I feel a real and deep kinship to so many folks here, even the kooky ones, (like me? nah, like Andy) and I would really like to see us all get together some time, if the other side turns out polly. (even you INVAR, I never hold a grudge)

"Party on Wayne"

"Excellent, party on Garth"

(plus posting here has forced me to clean up my spelling, and, thanks to folks like Flint, it has forced me to take a hard look at my logic)

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), August 12, 1999.

Uncle Deedah: I'm always looking for new words to express my feelings and ideas. I love ya man! I feel like you do in regards to this board, a kinship and I do enjoy the kooky one's too. Do you think we shall all meet sometime....say at the fork in the road? Maybe that's where we are all at right now and don't realize it yet.

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), August 12, 1999.

Bardou

I hope we can all:

Meet some day and see the person behind the persona

Meet some day and tell about "How we made it"

Meet some day and laugh about how upset we were over nothing! (please!)

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), August 12, 1999.

Just call me and I'll be there........

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), August 12, 1999.

(1) The basics: Prayer, family, water, food, heat, personal security, shelter, etc.

(2) The luxuries...

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), August 12, 1999.

"Just call me and I'll be there..."

Bardou, do you mean by phone? You're such an optimist : )

Maybe we can come up with a date and a place sometime in the future and we can all make our way there. Remember that wagon trains move a little slower!

Since there is a drought back east and the temperature out west is has actually been very comfortable for some reason how about a beach party? I can come back to my home, uh...or where my home once was, and see how the old neighborhood looks. Naw... past is past.

How about The Grand Canyon?

Where ever, we'll make our way there.

As for what's important now...keeping the spin under control and the objective clear.

Be prudent and prepare! If your wrong you can laugh, sigh, cry and not shop for a long time while you play with all your cool stuff.

If you don't prepare and y2k is bad...uh...do you really want to think about the consequences? Prepare and fuhgettaboutit.

Mike

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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 12, 1999.

bardou,

I suspect that you will begin to see many long-time lurkers coming out of the woodwork, with an explosion of varied viewpoints and information sources. Hold on tight!

Don't get dizzy,

-- Spindoc' (spindoc_99_2000@yahoo.com), August 12, 1999.

If it all goes acording to plan this will be a reasonable first stop for people looking for info and "stuff". Then they get directed towards the prep forum.

As for what's important, I think that the comment on spin is one thing, and keeping the neighborhood as clean and well lit as possible for the new renters is the important thing, from my perspective, as the "guest deleter".....LOL....

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), August 12, 1999.

Coming to grips with the mass suffering to come.

How to face it in myself, my family and my community.

How to function in a world with minimum power, food, fuel or drugs but with lots and lots of pain.

-- R (riversoma@aol.com), August 12, 1999.

AAAAHHHH The PLAN!!!!!!

(pssst what's the plan?:O)

Well,,,, just keep posting information and commentary, someone has to keep them honest.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), August 12, 1999.

Objectivity. There is a steady stream of data about Y2K. It will continue to flow throughout this year and past the rollover. For example, the key worry of 1998 was the stability of the "iron triangle." Over 99% of U.S. banks Y2K ready. The telecommunications firms and utilities have made substantial progress. Many of the "worst case" scenarios were developed on the premise the iron triangle would fail. This is not to say there will not be significant disruptions, but this forum tends to dwell on the post- Apocalyptic and less on the realities of an economic malaise. Perhaps the forum would be better served by a more pragmatic approach and a willingness to consider incoming data in a fair, balance manner... rather than working backwards from the "GI" conclusion.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), August 12, 1999.

You can start buying some of your "short term" food items: pancake mix,canned fruit, pasta sauces, etc.... Start keeping your 1,5,10 dollar bills.

-- Bill (y2khippo@yahoo.com), August 12, 1999.

Don't know --- to many important things to do, haven't even cut my wood yet. And chimney still needs repair, shouldget more flour, salt in bucket for long term, .....................

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), August 12, 1999.

I come here for a variety of reasons: to keep informed of the progress or lack thereof in remediation; to be alerted to OT information which usually is relevant to the time period ahead of us, which all bears on the turn of the century's probable problems; to learn how best to prepare; to have this information to share with others. But a very strong, compelling reason for me to visit daily in between tasks during a slow period at work (thank God for that gift!) is to be in touch with the minds and hearts of other fine people who are intelligent, are aware, who care about others, and who bolster my courage and determination to survive. I also have thought how lovely it would be to meet you good folk in person someday...if we are ever able again to have the luxury of travel and gathering. You feel like a soul family to me, and I appreciate your help and succor, and the hard work of so many to keep us all informed. God bless you all!

-- Elaine Seavey (Gods1sheep@aol.com), August 12, 1999.

I believe this forum is most important for disseminating news articles about Y2K and other possible disruptions, so that we can constantly readjust our priorities. Certainly, news items can be found at many sites and sources but I like the "one-stop shopping" convenience here.

Secondly, I would never have known that partial filling of prescriptions due to rather-too-finely-tuned JIT is not uncommon had it not been for the responses here. I hope the additional information has spurred procrastinators to contact their respective doctors and get moving NOW on prudent stockpiling of necessary medications.

Next, the Preps forum still has (and will continue to have) lots of useful information.

And, finally, I appreciate the humor and camaraderie to lighten up what can sometimes be a bit of a load.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), August 12, 1999.

Well, the Y2K (and related... or not) "newz" keeps morphing in wild and wonderful ways. It often require additional "insight" to see the story behind the apparent story.

What's important... friendship in all forms... cyber and virtual... and getting ready for the upcoming unknowns, that we "know" will be dicey in some areas.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 12, 1999.

Elaine, Old Git and others have already stated most of what I would have said. As I have monitored the progress being made, I'm putting less money into things that will be required during an extended power outage, and more money into things that are currently imported. (Is that what you mean, Mr. Decker?) I'm sure hoping for no surprises (such as terrorism!) but I'm trying to be prepared for those, too, just in case.

Bardou, I think one of the most important functions for this forum is for the new people. That is why I'm so concerned about the "disrupters." I don't want to see this forum become a place where people are afraid to post and ask questions. We all have our own opinions about LOTS of things, but the ridicule should be stopped IMO.

I am looking forward to the party that Uncle Deedah promised us last year at this time. (If things go well, of course!) :-) I also want to be present when Robert Cook stands on that stage in his hometown in Georgia and admits he was wrong. (Once again assuming that things go well.) :-) I sure hope the other countries we trade with can fix all of their problems (in a hurry!) and not drag us down with them! Hope springs eternal!

-- Gayla (privacy@please.com), August 12, 1999.

Good hearts. Thoughtful minds. Fabulous camaraderie among so many, with such diverse views. A tolerance for uncertainty. A willingness to imagine realities beyond the present paradigm. I dunno. Its like Y2K Woodstock here. (The original Woodstock, I mean.) Consciousness expanding. There's a certain light here...maybe it's compassion.

For some of those months I was without a computer and lived wholly in Oblivia, where concern over Y2K is considered not only politically incorrect, but also quite possibly a sign of clinical delusion. Memories of the voices that make up the extraordinary conversation here at TB2K were like welcome rain in the midst of drought. Participation in this board feels like a privilege to me; I have such glad appreciation for so many of you here.

I live in this great big drafty 170-year-old money pit of a house that used to be a stagecoach stop when the road between my house and field was the main one running between New York and Chicago. When I imagine the old regulars here gathered together, I think of them as family and near-by neighbors gathered before my fireplace, spilling out onto the creaky, warped porch, gathered in little bunches beneath the pines. And we watch the show as we variously engage the drifters and adventurers, the noble ones and fools who stop for a spell, then, mostly, move on.

But just now a wisp of a thought comes up about those subatomic particles that, once having touched, are instantly aware of each other ever after, regardless of light-years of separation. Maybe were like that.

It's certainly been among the most educational years of my life. Newbies, stay tuned! Pull up a chair and have your listen, your say.

Anyway, Im up for the Meet on the other end of this travesty (thanks Margaret, for applying such an apt word). Grand Canyon, reminiscent of the story of the polished marbles, seems a fine site to me. Anybody want to suggest a when????

Hey. I love you people.

-- Faith Weaver (suzsolutions@yahoo.com), August 12, 1999.

I found you folks tonight. I feel we have been discussing Y2k for years. I had become very burnt out, here in the NW, about Y2k and the lack of preparation by my "neighbors". My nickname at work is "Noah".

I have a wife of 28 years on blood pressure meds, 5 kids, 1 son, 11, still at home and 5 grandchildren and 1 in the oven. Only one of my daughters is taking Y2k as seriously as I am. The canning is progressing well, we never have before. The dehydrating and stockpiling, what we can afford to do, is also coming along.

I hurt when I think that I won't be able to feed all my children, if the need arrises but I told them last year, I would store enough for their children only, they are "adults" and are responsible for themselves. Is this wrong?

I thank God I know what I know and can do what I can do, I am a mechanic/ service manager by day, pc technician by night and thanks wife for only demanding my presence when it is time for sleep.

I will read this thread daily as it is the closest I have found to being "real". What do I have to offer, other than and honest nature and some real-world experience? Well, I can build a 12dc generator out of an automotive internally regulated alternator and a 3.5hp push lawnmower. Does that count? How about a gravity fed, solar heated shower out of a plastic 55gal drum painted black, stuck up on the roof of the garage? No? Maybe a recycling toilet made from a 5 gallon bucket lined with a heavyduty trash bag with layers of garden compost and that other stuff and when it is about 2/3 full fill it up with garden compost, tie it off and put it out in the back yard against the fence and tell the grand babies why they cant bounce on those particular leaf bags?

I hope you don't mind me jumpimg in here, I just had to say hello. This thread has given me my second wind about Y2k and yes, I can admit what I still have to get done.

I live in a city of 100,000+ and I live on the valley floor. Guess what? S**t doesn't flow up hill, our sewers have 15 pumping stations scattered throughout the city, they don't have shut off valves. So out comes the thinking cap again. Hmmm, open the clean-out between the house and the street, insert a large childs blow-up bouncy ball, inflate, (not too fully) insert 3 or 4 small sand bags with rope pulls and success!! I have a sewer valve and one more problem monkey is off my back.

Please keep the good things coming folks. I was getting very worried about everyone talking, talking talking and not doing anything.

I will check out for now and hope I haven't bored to many of you. God Bless and good health to you and Yours.

Individual Preparedness for those that can, Community Preparedness for thos of us that can't.

Richard

-- Richard Bloom (rfbloom@usa.net), August 13, 1999.

Welcome, Richard! Thank you for posting! In case you didn't know, we have a "sister" forum for preparations. You might enjoy reading those threads, too. You can access it by clicking here:

Prep Forum

-- Gayla (privacy@please.com), August 13, 1999.