Please list suppliers u have dealt with,that u would highly recommend.As u know because of great pr y2k is almost forgotten.Suppliers I dealt with are nonexistant or unreliable.Any u would recommend highly.Thanks

-- joe (jpluto@hotmail.com), August 05, 1999

Answers

sales@cluby2k.com not the cheapest but apparently honest.

-- rambo (rambo@thewoods.com), August 05, 1999.

Wasn't there a rule in the Posting Guidlines about SHILLS and not advertising specific preparation suppliers here on TB2000?

(#2- We ask that vendors refrain from posting direct information about their products and services )

Just trying to be fair, rules are rules you know... or do they apply only to people the Moderators don't like?

-- (I didn't@ make. the rules), August 05, 1999.

I understand regular posters may recommend suppliers they are pleased with. Based on that understanding, I have been pleased with the quality of goods and services of the following suppliers. With the exception of adventurefoods.com and ccrane.com, I have been ordering from these vendors for anywhere from 8-12 years.

soybean.com (tvp complete meals for Y2K)

gardenerssupply.com (water barrels and gardening sundries)

adventurefoods.com (wonderful additions to emergency foods, including powdered butter and cream cheese, dehydrated whole eggs, dehydrated grated cheeses--all very high quality)

Drs. Foster & Smith web catalogue--sorry, don't have URL (pet needs, including vaccines, antibiotics, first aid kits, etc.)

richters.com (wide variety of herb seeds, encyclopedic catalogue)

ccrane.com (electronics, solar chargers, house-brand rechargeable batteries, etc.)

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), August 05, 1999.

Damn Old Git, you are one pompous hypocrite. I wonder, are you a police officer in the real life, or have you ever been?

Forget the rules, they don't apply to "regular posters". Sooooo... who exactly is a regular poster? Anyone who sports a Doomer T-Shirt?

Just forget I ever mentioned anything about Posting Guidlines, obviously they don't REALLY apply to anyone. And some of you Doomer Imbeciles wonder why the Debunkies figure this place to be nothing more than a clever advertising scheme.

-- Oh well, party on Garth (Whoever said@ hypocrisy is. dead?), August 05, 1999.

Uh oh..."I don't make the rules"....perhaps you have been too absorbed in NeenerLand to observe that Old Git is one of the most cherished posters on this forum. You might think about taking an aspirin (or a pill for PMS?) and perhaps a quick nap, then apologizing (to someone who has almost a sterling posting history). Breathe deep, let the oxygen into the brain, then THINK...Old Git was not advertising, Old Git is not selling anything personally, Old Git simply answered someone's question and gave personal referrals so that we will not be schnooked like some poor doofus. (Is your name doofus?)

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), August 05, 1999.

Disclaimer: I, nor my family, have any ties, public or private, with the companies listed below.

Homestead Products

Lehmans

U.S. Plastics

Heirloom Seeds

Pinetree Gardens

I've made two purchases from C. Crane Co.. They are tops in customer service & they will price match.

Best Wishes,

-- Bingo1 (howe9@pop.shentel.net), August 05, 1999.

Git:

Ignore the loser post. You were answering a question, plain and simple. The guy is probably a 12 year-old trying to find attention. If he doesn't like your response, why doesn't he take his smarta** somewhere else.

These moronic losers don't have anything better to do than flame. Well Mr. Loser, get a life!!! If you don't like it around here, leave.

-- Don't Worry About It (IdislikeA**holes@ScrewA**holes.com), August 05, 1999.

Mumsie,

" Old Git is not selling anything personally, Old Git simply answered someone's question and gave personal referrals"

You really think there is any difference?

Why are you defending the right to break the rules that the "cherished" Moderators set?

-- (I don't make @ the. rules...), August 05, 1999.

Lets not start this silly bickering in-thread again. If anyone feels that a post on this thread, or the entire thread, needs deleting, then say so in a mail to chuck.

He had the guts to set up a system, lets not abandon it before it's even been used.

Regards

W

PS - Of course, if we do all that and nothing happens, THEN we can start the silly bickering in-thread again. :)

-- W0lv3r1n3 (W0lv3r1n3@yahoo.com), August 05, 1999.

Oh uh, Mumsie, perhaps you were too busy activating the few brain cells you have to notice that 'Old Git' had posted AFTER 'I don't make the rules'. I've noticed in the past you have a habit of displaying your pompous stupidity, and here you go again. Take a deep breath and give your mind a few minutes to catch up with your fingers. BTW, I agree with your statements regarding 'Old Git', but what has that got to do with the posting rules? The Y2KSUPPLY Members site has the most up-to-date and accurate supplier information available.

-- Try (to@think.sum), August 05, 1999.

Uhm folks:

Let's not get distracted here. Seems that Git was just answering a question and sharing his experience. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, as I am new to these threads, but if Git has no personal interest in any of these businesses, then why is it such a problem for him to relate his experiences? Why are a few people unhappy that Git related his experience? Is this a violation of the rules or do a few people want to control this thread solely for the purposes of control? Please enlighten me.

-- Buffalo Bob (coutesyiscontagious@respect.com), August 05, 1999.

Idon'tMakeTheRules:

I notice that the rule you listed asks VENDORS not to advertise. If Git isn't a vendor, why does this apply to him? Please don't take this as a flame. It is not. Being new to this forum, I merely wish to have the rules clarified.

-- Buffalo Bob (courtesyiscontagious@respect.com), August 05, 1999.

If i told you that there was a swarm of locusts on the way to your farm, even though I had no hard evidence, and then attempted to sell you insecticide, wouldn't that be fraudulent? Especially if the swarm of locusts never arrived?

The way I see it the #2 Posting Guidline rule was established for a reason. I guess though, a reason that has no substance as long as the advertisement is aimed at getting people to "prepare".

Hmmm, maybe the Moderators have some *vested interest in those supply chains? Never can tell, but to keep things fair I suggest that the #2 Posting Guidline be enforced equally, to "cherished" posters and newbies alike. Considering that anyone can pose as anyone, the conditional terms of the #2 Posting Guidline can be breached by any company who wished to sell themselves using a popular poster's handle.

I nobody really cares whether or not Y2K is being used as an advertising scheme, and cares even less that TB2000 is helping that cause. Ask Ed Yourdon about it, this forum was started with the sole intention of selling his book. Now that he has handed over the wheel to other Moderators it's time they use this forum as something other than a cyber billboard.

-- (I don't @ make the. rules), August 05, 1999.

"Try to think"...I did read the entire post. Since "I didn't make.." and "whoever said" both used anonymous names, I replied believing they were probably the same cowardly and rude person (if you think I am pompously and stupidly assuming that you are posting anonymously for the same reasons...oh well!). Now massage your brain cells and reread this from above:

"#2- We ask that vendors refrain from posting direct information about their products and services"

Look up the word vendor in the dictionary. Very good. Now ask yourself, (it's okay if you need to rest first), is Old Git a vendor? No? Correct! Would someone send "try to think" a prize? Will continue...do you have any rotten eggs you can spare? The rule applies to advertisers. Yes, there is a source listing suppliers, but Old Git was simply supplying a personal opinion as to which suppliers had performed well from personal experience. I find this very helpful. Old Git's posts have been a wealth of information for me and many others. Which reminds me,...thanks again Old Git for all the hours you spend researching and contributing! There are many of us who watch for your name, knowing we will find something worthwhile in that thread.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), August 05, 1999.

Mumsie, as I theorized in my other post, How do you know that Old Git is actually Old Git and not a SHILL for one of those companies in his reference list?

Hey, rules are rules. Mayeb now you can see why they need to be enforced.

-- (I don't make @ the . rules), August 05, 1999.

IDontMakeTheRules:

You didn't answer the question. Perhaps it is that you do not want to admit that YOU are imposing your viewpoints on someone else? The rule says vendor. I share your concern that people are using fear to reap profits. Yet despite your unwillingness to admit the point, the rule appears to be addressed to VENDORS. Not posters. So, with all due respect, I have no intention of following YOUR INTERPRETATION of the rules. You are not the moderator.

But yes, people are being taken advantage of regarding Y2K. I agree with you on that one. But muzzling ordinary folks isn't the answer.

-- Buffalo Bob (courtesyiscontagious@respect.com), August 05, 1999.

Quite interesting that an attempt to get personal opinions/recommendations concerning reliable suppliers meets with such a storm of irrelevant garbage from (I believe) previously unknown posters.

The rules are being applied fairly. More than fairly, for if I were moderator I would delete about half of the posts on this thread as totally irrelevent and non contributing.

-- Jon Williamson (jwilliamson003@sprintmail.com), August 05, 1999.

I've ordered several things from glitchproof.com, and have been quite happy with both the product and service.

-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), August 05, 1999.

I am in no way trying to teach you pigs to sing. Obviously it doesn't work and it's only annoying you.

Good luck in the future, I'm sure in your eyes there will be great need for people who don't obey the laws that their own "cherished" policy makers set.

-- (I don't make@ the rules. and you pigs don't follow them), August 05, 1999.

Jon

Do you mean "I'd delete half the posts on this thread because they are written by people who I class as pollies" ??

Because if thats what you mean, then say that. Why hide behind semantics and polit-speak ? It seems to me that Chuck is doing a pretty good job without your advice.

The appropriate place for infomercials is, I believe, the prep forum. To my knowledge, the rules there on advertising (survival products to survivalists) is less strict.

It is also my opinion that trying to sell survivalist products, along with survivalist dogma, on this forum, is a device designed to spook lurkers (via Y2K mythology) into the survivalist mentality. Yet another example of the hardcore extremist crowd trying to usurp the forum for their own ends.

And before we all weep a small tear for poor old OldGit, I have been on the end of this person's vitriol before. They're not as cutesy and courteous as some would have you believe. Cherished here ? Yes, but more for the homespun recipes and dogged adherence to the hardline Y2K-negative mantra than for their contribution to debate. In fact, this person regularly posts extremist views, abusive reactions to moderate questions, and rarely hesitates to try to bully anyone they think should not be allowed to post their opinion here. So lets stay real, if we can eh ?

Kind Regards

W

-- W0lv3r1n3 (W0lv3r1n3@yahoo.com), August 05, 1999.

You have rules?

-- rambo (rambo@thewoods.com), August 05, 1999.

The TB2000 prep forum has strict rules that exclude vendors from advertising in postings. The exception occurs when posting an answer to a posted question. Why would a reputable vendor post here anyway, knowing that they would be 'flamed' off the board and receive so much negative response. BTW, many vendors have gone under in the last few weeks and more will follow. If you are seriously contemplating a purchase, you should ask some serious questions when interfacing with a vendor. Many of the internet sites are operated from individuals homes and the companies have little or no substance. The best advice I can give you is ask your vendor for customer references-folks that have bought from them in the past 30 days.

-- For (your@info.com), August 05, 1999.

I dont make the rules:

No answer eh? Coward.

-- Buffalo Bob (Courtesyiscontagious@respect.com), August 05, 1999.

W0lv3r1n3 Mentioned

"It is also my opinion that trying to sell survivalist products, along with survivalist dogma, on this forum, is a device designed to spook lurkers (via Y2K mythology) into the survivalist mentality. Yet another example of the hardcore extremist crowd trying to usurp the forum for their own ends."

Actually I rarely see suppliers mentioned on the board. Where are you comming from? Not only that alot of Prep stuff can be bought at your local supply chains.

For all your sweet words W0lv3r1n3 you are as guilty as those you condem. My offer to start you up a forum still stands. Then you can make your own rules and condemnations.

The gentleman that started the thread is asking a simple question. No one that posted is making money of the suppliers posted. Why is this so complicated to you?

Fancy words, simple mind?

Balls in your court

By the way if you want spooked I can supply spooked.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), August 05, 1999.

W: "The appropriate place for infomercials is, I believe, the prep forum. To my knowledge, the rules there on advertising (survival products to survivalists) is less strict."

What are you refering to? Infomercials? Come on. You're pushing buttons on this one. Nothing more.

W:"It is also my opinion that trying to sell survivalist products, along with survivalist dogma, on this forum, is a device designed to spook lurkers (via Y2K mythology) into the survivalist mentality. Yet another example of the hardcore extremist crowd trying to usurp the forum for their own ends."

Your statement above is sheer lunacy. You know not of what you write. Trying to sell survivalist products? You're way off base.

Your problems with Old Git should be exercised somewhere else. This thread is not the place.

I've backed you more than once on this forum. So don't give me any crap about my being a doomer in your reply.

And notice I haven't once mentioned my book, 1999 Ways To Start A Fire Without Breaking A Sweat, in bookstores everywhere.

-- Bingo1 (howe9@pop.shentel.net), August 05, 1999.

Hopefully I won't be accused of throwing more light than heat into this fray [g], but what would be the consensus on starting a new forum section here, where vendors could post a weekly pointer to their sites (as is done on the GN site)?

Ideally (to my way of thinking, at least), posts there would be restricted to the vendors postings, and feedback/Q&A from others.

I would see this as being a benefit to all, as the information would be available, and any kudos and brickbats that applied would be there for all to see.

Disclaimer: I'd be posting there, as I used to in the food forum until I saw the new rules. So, I'm not going to claim to be unbiased, but I do think it's something worth considering.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), August 09, 1999.