I have found no better description of why conservatives dislike this President. I don't think there is any doubt that he will use y2k to his advantage and political cause. America had her chance to get rid of this guy. Now it is too late.

I know the democrats on this forum will flame away. My abestos suit is on. However, this article is too important for Americans to slip quietly away into cyberspace. Some issues are more important than democrat/republican sectarianism.

I don't ask you to agree with Nyquist, but to file it away, and also to understand why we conservatives feel the way we do about President Clinton.

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Why some of us fear Clinton?

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) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

The Bible teaches us to love our enemies and to hate no one. This is a very noble way to live, though few of us attain such grace. Perhaps the reason so few of us can love our enemies has to do with the link between hate and fear. If someone makes us afraid, we eventually come to hate that person. And, however brave some of us are, fear sometimes gets the better of us. It has sometimes been remarked that the so-called "far right" is irrational in its hatred of Bill Clinton. Many liberal media types think the impeachment of President Clinton was a mean-spirited, hate-inspired attack on a poor sick guy who suffers from a sexual addiction. Some leftists are especially baffled, because they don't see anything special about Clinton that is particularly threatening or dangerous.

Well, it is time someone explained the right's fear of Bill Clinton. For if any of us hate Bill Clinton -- and certainly we shouldn't hate anyone, as the Bible says -- it is fear, at bottom, that inspires us. This is not a proud acknowledgement, but an honest one. Some of us really do fear Clinton. We experience his term in office as a dangerous time, as a time in which American institutions are exposed to corruption and degradation. It is a time when freedom is imperiled at home and national security is weakened abroad.

I can hear my friends on the left chuckling at all this. Such nonsense, they say to themselves. Such right wing paranoia. But wait. Stop. Let me explain, by way of comparison, where the so-called "extreme right" is coming from.

What if you were Jewish. Imagine how you would feel if America elected a president who, as a college student, had worked for a Nazi front organization, then made a trip to Hitler's Berlin (about which he is not very forthcoming). Imagine, also, that he married someone with ties to numerous anti-Semitic organizations, someone who idolizes Mussolini and Franco.

How would you feel?

I first heard of Bill Clinton 16 years ago. Here is how it happened. I was getting a teaching credential, and one of my classes was on adolescent psychology. The professor in this course, who was a very admirable teacher, seemed to favor me. One day, after class, she invited me to a 7 p.m. meeting at the Science Lecture Hall. At the time I didn't know she was a Marxist, and I didn't know the meeting would be political. She said that if I cared about education in the state of California I would attend. Having the night off from work I decided on going, partly owing to curiosity. Well, I couldn't have been more surprised if it had been a coven of witches. Arriving early at the Science Lecture Hall, I found communist literature -- books and pamphlets -- stacked on tables in the lobby.

A visiting professor was the speaker. He gave a rousing talk on overthrowing the "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie" in America. How would this be accomplished? By taking over the Democratic Party through its left wing. The speaker said it was possible to elect a stealth socialist president, who would effect a peaceful transition to socialism during the next great economic down-turn. Capitalism would be unmasked as a bankrupt system. The people would then support a new socialist system. All businesses would be nationalized by the government and run like the Post Office. This socialist president, said the speaker, could be elected in either 1988 or 1992. The only problem was that of timing. When would the next major economic downturn hit?

Some days later I went to visit my professor at her office hours. We talked about the speaker and the book he had written. We talked about Marxism and the idea of changing the system. Then, suddenly, my professor said: "We have such high hopes for this young Arkansas governor, Bill Clinton."

That was the first time I heard Bill Clinton's name.

But it wasn't the first time I'd heard this idea of taking over the left wing of the Democratic Party and electing a stealth socialist president. I'd first heard that idea in 1981, when I was a senior at the University of California. The left wing activist, Derek Shearer, came to speak on the subject of "economic democracy." Two radical friends of mine dragged me to hear him, though I had my heart set on a game of chess that day. So I went to listen to Shearer's talk, and I sat there in the front row, concentrating on his theory of "economic democracy," thinking to myself: This is just like Marxism.

After Shearer finished speaking I went up and asked him, point blank. "Mr. Shearer, what is the difference between Marxism and "economic democracy"? He looked at me a bit suspiciously for a second, then he said, "I probably shouldn't say this, but there is no difference."

I had a long discussion with Shearer about why he wasn't a forthright Marxist. He said that Marxism was unpopular with the American people, who have a knee-jerk negative reaction to words like "socialism" and "communism," even though -- according to Shearer -- these are perfectly good words. Therefore, in order to win Americans over to socialist ways of thinking, you need to create a new, euphemistic language -- a kind of linguistic deception. Shearer also talked about taking over the Democratic Party through its left wing and electing a stealth socialist president.

As it happens, Derek Shearer is a friend of Bill Clinton.

Again, think if you were Jewish, and the American president and first lady flirted with Nazism and had friends who were anti-Semites.

But the Nazis were mass murderers. It is wrong to compare them with Marxists.

Our leftist friends forget that tens of millions of conservatives, traditionalists, nationalists, Christians, and others have been persecuted, murdered, and driven into concentration camps by Marxists. Nearly a third of the nation of Cambodia was killed by Marxists. The killing continues today, in Angola, Mozambique, Colombia and the Congo. Let us be perfectly honest. The historical record is indisputable. Marxism means the persecution of Christians, the execution of right wing dissidents, massive slave labor camps, and grinding poverty for countless millions of terrified, muzzled human beings. So when it happens that we compare Marxism to Nazism we are not being unfair in our comparison. We are being historically accurate. We are describing what has happened to conservatives and Christians in country after country. We are talking about mass murder.

What the left has to finally acknowledge, is that the ideas of Marx and Lenin, Trotsky and Mao, are as threatening and evil to some of us as the anti-Semitic ideas of Hitler are to Jewish people. If you look in the Guinness Book of World Records you will not find Hitler listed as the world's number one mass murderer. No, that distinction belongs to Chairman Mao. And after Mao, the next greatest mass murderer happens to be Josef Stalin. Marxist ideologues have killed over 100 million innocent people in the twentieth century. The Nazis killed only a fraction of this.

Nobody on the right in this country is going to defend Nazi associations. If a Republican candidate for president was involved with anti-Semites, racists, or worked for Nazi front organizations he would be denounced -- first and foremost -- by other Republicans and conservatives. Why is it, then, that the Democratic Party is soft on Marxism? Why does it tolerate so many fellow-travelers and disciples of the hard left? Come now, let us confront this double standard in American politics.

It is doubly ironic, therefore, that the left constantly refers to the "extreme right wing." But this is unfair, because the conservatives in this country do not tolerate the totalitarian right. On the other hand, the liberals in this country have always been soft on the totalitarian left. And that's why many of us fear Bill and Hillary Clinton. Many of us see through the phony centrism of President Clinton. We know what his ideological commitments have been, and we know who his wife is.

Does anyone remember that Hillary Clinton arranged to give $15,000 to the National Lawyer's Guild -- an organization founded in the 1930s as a branch of the Communist Party USA -- when she chaired the New World Foundation? Does anybody deny her assistance to various Marxist-inspired causes, from the Black Panthers to the Christic Institute and CISPES (a front for Central American Marxist terrorists)?

Bill Clinton was not merely a draft evader during the Vietnam War. The truth is, he was for the Viet Cong terrorists. And that is why he went to Moscow and Prague almost 30 years ago. That is why he married the young radical, Hillary Clinton. And that is why he was friends with Derek Shearer. It also explains why my professor of 16 years ago, who was a Marxist, had such high hopes for that young governor, Bill Clinton.

Seven months ago an intelligence professional, whose credentials are impeccable, told me something quite alarming. He told of a taped conversion between two Czech Communist officials. They were discussing a young American college student -- Bill Clinton -- who was then visiting Prague. They mentioned that he was expected to attend a meeting at a certain place which was reserved for the recruitment of Communist bloc agents.

"Where is this tape now," I asked.

"Nobody seems to know," he answered.

In February there was another curious incident involving a retired CIA official. This particular fellow was genuinely alarmed at information he had on President Clinton's ties to the Russian security services. When pressed by a famous journalist to provide details, the CIA man shrank away. Publicity is death to people involved in secret intelligence work.

And now, more recently, I have received information from a third source inside U.S. intelligence. His story is even more fantastic. It is so fantastic that I dare not repeat what he reported. Naturally, everyone on the political left and in the center will denounce the very idea that the president has secret Marxist sympathies that have compromised him.

Some would say that repeating such rumors is irresponsible. But there comes a point in time when it becomes irresponsible and dishonest NOT to say what we are feeling and thinking -- and to withhold the reasons that we fear a certain world leader.

I did not invent the rumors which are circulating within the intelligence community. Anyone connected with the intelligence community has probably heard these rumors. People will either dismiss them or take them seriously, depending on their political point of view. What I want to say to the moderates who are shocked at these rumors, and to the leftists who fear a vast right-wing conspiracy, is simple: try to put yourselves in our shoes. Be a little sympathetic. Try to understand why we fear Bill and Hillary Clinton. These fears are not irrational, but entirely understandable. And when we discover that the White House has used the IRS to persecute those of us who disagree with him and fear his vague Marxist background, then we are confirmed in our fears. The unscrupulous use of power to suppress dissent is the beginning of dictatorship. It is this sort of behavior that we all found intolerable in the presidency of Richard Nixon. And we did not defend him when the facts became clear. In that event, the Republican Party itself turned against Nixon.

But the Democrats do not follow the Republican example. No matter what abuse of power or malfeasance of office, the Democrats support the president. It makes us afraid of the Democratic Party itself. What has happened to it? Is it becoming like one of those totalitarian political parties that supports the leader, the boss, no matter what law he breaks?

Certainly it is wrong to hate the president. But it is nonetheless correct to demand an accounting for his Marxist past, his corrupt administration, and his abuse of power. Suspecting Bill Clinton of Marxist sympathies should not be a crime. It is not a crazy speculation, but only natural for those of us who have studied his career and his associations. If the country continues to evade the issue of the president's Marxist connections because any such inquiry is somehow "McCarthyist," then the country might as well admit to an area of defacto censorship.

We have reasons to fear the Clintons, and these reasons deserve consideration.

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-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), July 22, 1999

Answers

Just more right wing republican fear and hate spew. It never ends. Link Clinton to Hitler, Viet Cong, etc. Use so called "trusted" sources. Clinton a anti-semite and racist, yeah right tell that to a black man in America.

Some people have nothing better to do but bring this crap up on a message board that has nothing to do with it.

-- Mr Meeks (MrMeeks@abetterplace.com), July 22, 1999.

"Some people have nothing better to do but bring this crap up on a message board that has nothing to do with it."

I suspect that we are on opposite sides of the political spectrum.

The Democratic Party has absorbed the communist and socialist elements of US society, and been dramatically changed by it. While Clinton strikes me as a lying, sex-craved pervert, I have yet to figure him out (unless it is as simple as him being a lying, sex- craved pervert). Clinton has adopted many formerly republican causes, at least on the surface.

Anyway, there could indeed, in my opinion, be a fundamental geopolitical shift in conjunction with Y2K. Amazing as it may seem, the US is still the most conservative of "western" nations. It would be easy to envision another level of "social safety-nets" being deployed if Y2K hits hard, with the US becoming more like other "western" nations.

Personally, though, I'm more concerned about war in the next 12 months.

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), July 22, 1999.

Mr. Meeks:

Your blindness to the treachery of Clinton is the saddest part of this whole story. I won't argue further with you, but you people who constantly make excuses for him are the main reason this country is (apparently) doomed. He had oral sex given by a near-teenage flirt in the oval office while discussing the security of our nation for cryin- out -loud! He IS a marxist... and everything else Nyguist said.

I know it won't convince you --- but when TSHTF maybe you'll wake up.

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), July 22, 1999.

I love it when people use the "sex crazed pervert" or "near teenage" thing. My goodness, if the president didnt get caught with his pants down what on earth would you anti-clinton people have to talk about.

-- Mr Meeks (MrMeeks@abetterplace.com), July 22, 1999.

A whole Nation will awaken once the firestorm begins! I too am more concerned with war in the next twelve months.....on OUR soil, with Americans on either side. How many smell the coffee?

The current administration is lookin' down the barrel of a loaded public,I sense it would be in their *best interests* to vacation abroad!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 22, 1999.

Mr. Meeks,

Your obtuseness is mind boggling.

-- t (b@r.com), July 22, 1999.

Perhaps Mr. Meeks should book a flight to the nearest communist country as well.....group rate?

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 22, 1999.

No one understands the left better than David Horowitz. Raised by communist parents, a Berkeley radical in the 60's & 70's, and a conservative by 1980. To anyone wanting insight as to how the socialist left thinks, and what its ultimate goals are I recommend "Radical Son" by Horowitz.

The left lives by it's radical myths, which are crucial to it's sense of moral superiority - of being chosen humanities moral vanguard.

Both Clintons no doubt see themselves as humanities "moral vanguard", and could very well use an incident such as Y2K as an excuse to impose martial law.

"We know what's best for this country." - Bill Clinton

-- Steve Morrow (xyz@dot.com), July 22, 1999.

Mr. Meeks,

Does Mr. Clinton have socialist leanings or doesn't he? If so, than he must be linked to those of the same colors.

And I will ask a black man in America what he thinks about Mr. Clinton, how about..........Alan Keyes?

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), July 22, 1999.

Don't know if anyone heard or say this yesterday. But it continues to underscore how profoundly pathetic this President is!

"now I want you to understand the Coast guard has spent more time than would normally be allowed on the recovery of JFK Jr. but I don't want anyone to blame the coast guard for this. I take full responsibility".

Speechless!!:(

-- David Butts (dciinc@aol.com), July 22, 1999.

Well David, it'll be difficult for him to speak with a can of Skoal stuffed in his mouth and a rope around his skinny pencil-neck!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 22, 1999.

I'm not gonna presume any one politicians agenda, but for all the doubting thomas's out there, do some research and you will see that MANY of our "Democratic" elected officials DO actually hold another membership in the Socialist's party.

If your OK with that, so be it. I'm not. Just don't deny the fact's. There is no such thing as a communist, outside of philosophy. The Russian's were alway's labeled as such, but in truth they were/are Socialist's. Communisim, in it's true form has NEVER been achieved.

I don't want America to become Russia, therefore I despise a party (Democrats), that allows it's own subversion, that will ultimately lead to the Socialisim of the U.S.A.

I guess I'm just a stickler for freedom.

-- CygnusXI (noburnt@toast.net), July 22, 1999.

Alan Keyes, HA HA HA. He's not a black man, he may have black skin but he's a shill.

Thats like the Log Cabin Republicans, HA HA HA. "We're gay and want to belong to the republican party". Sure, tons of republicans just love homosexuals.

Pathetic.

-- Mr Meeks (MrMeeks@abetterplace.com), July 22, 1999.

Will,

If you have any compassion at all you won't get me started with this guy!

-- David Butts (dciinc@aol.com), July 22, 1999.

Ya know Meek....I held contol of my submit finger just now! I had every intention of alerting the readers to the fact that you would have an "oreo cookie" comeback to the mention of Alan Keye's name. I see you did not disapoint me. You're setting yourself op for your dismissal from the future gene pool, 'friend'. Have at it....LOL!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 22, 1999.

Alan Keyes, HA HA HA. He's not a black man, he may have black skin but he's a shill.

Keep this racist Mr. Meeks off this "board".

-- Lane Core Jr. (elcore@sgi.net), July 22, 1999.

Noting that Alan Keyes is not what he claims to be doesnt make me a racist. I have nothing against black people, but if you think that any 1,000 black people pulled out of society and polled about their opinion of Keyes would give him a favorable rating you are kidding yourself.

JC Watts and Alan Keyes are not mainstream blacks they do make republicans very happy to have around though.

-- Mr Meeks (MrMeeks@abetterplace.com), July 22, 1999.

Ah hell Lane, don't ruin my fun just yet. This puckered asshole is pumpin' me up more than William Wallace, I'm just itchin' to flip my kilt! I'm gonna break out into a military marching 'sing-song' any minute now and point my loaded shotgun at my monitor....... grrrrrrrrr

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 22, 1999.

Did anybody else pick up on this in the original post?

All businesses would be nationalized by the government and run like the Post Office.

Do we want our whole country run like the USPS? If so, bring on socialism!!

Meeks: In reference to Watts and Keyes. If you think they are not black does that mean you think that black is a philosophy and not a skin color??

If we all felt that, racism would never go away in America.

-- walt (walt@lcs.k12.ne.us), July 22, 1999.

Here is a list of our commie friends in congress:

Progressive Caucus

reachable from our good commie friends at this site:

Democratic Socialists of America

Not that the Republican party is much better...

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), July 22, 1999.

There's a good reason why you were always told never to discuss religion or politics.... So stop the fighting and get out there and spend your energy helping get folks ready for Y2K. Enough already!!!

-- Gail (fialkow@erols.com), July 22, 1999.

Hey Meek Baby,

" Just more republican right wing hate and spew", YEA, WHATEVER COMRADE, you obviously never listen to your vice leader in disgrace AL BORE attacking/villifying the conservative leadership in the government every chance he gets. You did pick up on the "slam" real well, your leaders have perfected the art decades ago. How did you ever find this site, your oversized leftist brain has no room for such discourses in personal freedom, human rights and sovereignty issues that affect the "lower" classes??????

Please don't bother responding, I rarely communicate with fools !!!! Also, your team seems to have the game wrapped up, so what are you doing, just poking your finger thru the bars to stir up the animals, what a swell guy you are. Should't you fight for a nation whose laws allow someone as corrupt and bankrupt as you to reside within her shores ??????? Lock and load the Marxists are HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!

-- remnant (get@life.com), July 22, 1999.

Mr. Meeks had revealed who the true insidious racists are in this country.

He has also revealed the evil, and shallow Socialist/Democrat ideology that seeks to enslave all Freedom Loving Americans in the embrace of Communist/Marxist ideals.

What would we have to "talk" about if Clinton didn't get caought with his pants down?

How about his facillitation of nuclear missle technology to the Chineese for campaign dollars?

How about obstruction of Justice and payoff in regards to the Web Hubbel crimes?

How about jury tampering? Lying to a Grand Jury in the Paula Jone's case?

How about illegally appointing a Surgeon General without the confirmation of the Senate?

How about illegally raising taxes without Congress by enacting a Phone Bill tax for school internet programs through use of an ancient 1913 bill?

How about lying about the so-called "budget surplus"? THERE IS NONE.

How about selling nights in the Lincoln Bedroom for campaign donations?

How about the firings of the White House Travel Staff and subsequent false charges brought on Billy Dale to divert attention from cronyism as the Bloodworth-Thomasons took over those operations?

How about the bombings of Sudan and Afghanistan asprin factory to cover for the ongoing impeachment mess?

How about bombing a sovereign nation without an act of war declared by Congress, when we had clearly NO economic or national interests at stake?

How about the lie told yesterday by Clinton that he was the FIRST President to have JfK Jr. back at the White House, when in fact John John had been to the residence quarters of both the Nixon and Reagan White Houses?

Mr. Meeks, it wouldn't matter if Clinton raped and shot a woman in broad daylight, on-camera...as long as he holds onto YOUR Socialist ideology, he will have your undying devotion and support.

Until now, Clinton has engaged in personal and political assasination and demouguogery....after January, those assasinations will become more than political, they will be real. Just as all the previous Socialist tyrants before him prove.

This is why the Right fears him. He rules and governs by executive orders, and when he doesn't get what he wants, he demouguoges his opponents with emotional rhetoric and hatred.

He is evil, as is your ideology.

No apologies. I die a free man and patriot, whom you fear.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), July 22, 1999.

Mr. Meeks, The "sex crazed pervert" thing, the "Lewenski affair", could almost have been a calculated risk, an intentional smokescreen to divert our attention from Klinton's real crimes, such as being a traitor to the USA in giving away secrets to our enemies. The Klinton sex scandals are merely evidence of lack of moral character, which only further convince the rational minds among us that this man is dangerous in any position of power.

-- John Q. Public (noemail@home.com), July 22, 1999.

I left for several hours to rip and tear weeds from my garden. To pitch 8 hay bales up into my loft, to manhandle 250 lbs of chicken feed, to finish burying the remaining 200 ft of pvc and conduit running from the wind generator to the house. I sat down to cool off and peek into this thread.....

Thanks INVAR, I'm now ready to wrestle 14 goats with a hypodermic syringe, do 3 loads of laundry, vacuum, and mow 5 acres. I really should just avoid any discussion of the Marxist bastard, I'm getting too buff.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 22, 1999.

The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto Translated

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In the early '60's during the days of the "former" Soviet Union, Russian Premier Nikita Kruschev pounded his shoe on the podium of the United Nations and shouted to the West, "We will bury you!" Fearing an invasion from the Reds, America proceeded to build the most awesome military machine in history. Unfortunately, we forgot to guard our political homefront from being taken over by socialist - communist - liberal activists who would gain office and destroy American law by process of gradually installing the Communist agenda within our legal system and seperate branches of government. The Communist program from the start has been one which sees their revolution of 1917 succesful only upon total domination of the world. (See Brain Washing, A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics) Americans, being the most naive people among the nations, now believe that Communism is dead because the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain have been removed. The ironic truth is that Communism has just switched names to become more "politically correct". Today it is called international democracy. The reason that the Berlin Wall came crashing down is not because Communism is dead but because they have achieved the planned agenda to communize the West, including America. Washington D.C. has indeed become part of the New World Order of atheist governments. With the last vestiges of Christian law having been removed from "American government" over the last twenty years, there is no longer a threat of resistance against world Communism. In reality, "American government" became part of the Iron Curtain, thus there was no more need for the likes of a Berlin Wall. Once again, in their foolishness, the American public has believed the lies of their "leaders" who applaud "the fall of Communism", while they have sold out the country to anti-Christian, anti-American statutes and regulations on the federal, state, and local levels. Posted below is a comparison of the original ten planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart of each of the planks, The American people have truly been "buried in Communism" by their own politicians of both the Republican and Democratic parties. One other thing to remember, Karl Marx was stating in the Communist Manifesto that these planks will test whether a country has become commmunist or not. If they are all in effect and in force the country IS communist. Communism, but by any other name...??

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1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share". 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. 7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations. 8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Fedral Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. 10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

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So I ask you...does changing the words, change the end result? By using different words is it all of a sudden OK????? We are so "smart," aren't we?? None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free....

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This page was posted by Courageous Lion He can be emailed at... Courageous Lion's Den

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-- freeman (freeman@cali.com), July 22, 1999.

There are many things this clown can rightly be accused of, but the most damning of all is that he is a traitor. Nuf said.

-- Mike (boxman@aol.com), July 22, 1999.

The following is in pure jest and should be seen as satire!

Jeeez, after reading all of this post and the answers I am ready to grab a Flag and storm a beach in the name of the revolution...
But who are we fighting...? Aren't we fighting ourselves... Our own fears...? Bill Clinton has been elected president due to an inadequate education system, spoon fed TV news and more interest about what's happening in the next Friends episode then what's happening in congress.
How do you change it...??? Start with the CHILDREN... Don't people get it...??? If you teach them how to think on their OWN... IF you teach them to question and "HOW TO" learn THEN you can change the system... However you have to be willing to come to the forefront... You have to be willing to be a role model ... become an activist in your community....
When was the last time you went into the ROUGH neighboorhood in your city...?? when was the last time YOU reached out...? When was the last time you wanted to help someone... (apart from y2k..?)
That's why the socialist are always crying about the children...

Sorry kinda got carried away...

-- STFrancis (STFrancis@heaven.com), July 22, 1999.

Oh, very funny STFrancis :)

Here's my little funny back atcha,

"America is at an awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards!"

(that just cracks me up....sounds like something my Dad would say!)

*JULY 1999*

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 23, 1999.

BB:

I've read that President Clinton has an IQ of 170+. If this is true, then his high mental acuity hasn't helped solve his computer illiteracy. I wish he was not so ignorant of computers, especially regarding this Y2K problem.

BTW, thank you so very much for the Dutch Valley information!

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), July 23, 1999.