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Detention Centers Debunked

-- Ct Vronsky (vronsky@anna.com), July 12, 1999

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Thanks for the look-see, CT.

...if that's your real name. ;>)

Watch six and keep your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.net), July 12, 1999.


They knew you were coming obviously......do you think they are stupid

Their spies from the U.N. were expecting you

They quickly dismantled them

Need real evidence that something funny is happening

Here's Proof!!

 



-- MrProof (signsofthetimes@proof.com), July 12, 1999.

Just because I'm paranoid does'nt mean their not after me.

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), July 12, 1999.

I don't have the time or the money to dash around the country as the above reporter claimed to have done; however, my daughter saw a barbed wire enclosure on a boonies back road (Idaho) just this last week, barbed wire pointing in, huge tall tower inside, with a sign saying Fire Department, near to railroad tracks. I described this to my cousin visiting from Montana the next day, and she said she had just driven by one identical to that description out in the middle of nowhere in Montana (that had a similar sign). She said she did think it was odd that it was an area with "no trees in sight". More ominous to me, a very old and trusted friend just had a visit from an old buddy who is a military officer. He said that his friend warned him that he had personally inspected several camps that were empty but now fully operational. Whatever that means... I realize that you don't know me from Adam, but if anyone cares to write, I will try to give you more specifics. I will even ask if my friend is willing to correspond and verify, but doubt his military buddy will be free to do so. Think what you want, but please study and remember history. Would millions of Jews have stayed behind if they believed that genocidal extermination was waiting in the wings? Don't be lulled into the stupefied non-thinking idea that America is "different" and "immune". We are a nation occupied by human beings. Human beings have always been and still are capable of the most horrific behavior and cruelty to each other.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 12, 1999.

Yeah.....one of my friends heard from his buddy that his girlfriend's dad knows a guy that spoke to a guy in a deli in Phoenix the other day who's wifes best friend heard about the towers and barbed wire while she was at a tupperware meeting last week. If that isn't conclusive evidence, I don't know what is......

-- MrProof (signsofthetimes@proof.com), July 12, 1999.


Mr. Proof, ... I have a real email address posted. I am willing to track down specific directions/location. I am willing to ask my friend to correspond with you. In fact, I will be doing so for two people who have already contacted me privately. This is part of my reply to one of them...

"Please understand that I am not saying that I "know" that this is the purpose of these barbed wire enclosures etc., just that I am more skeptical of those who doubt things "could" happen, than reports that it might be..."

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 12, 1999.


Gotta love the Loony Doomies...

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), July 12, 1999.

mumsie

Sounds like a couple of places ive seen used for drills. They lite the tower on fire and put it out. Never seen one surounded by barbed wire though.

-- troutman (floatin@theowens.com), July 12, 1999.


Mumsie...

You have painted a mental picture of the standard fire department 'training tower', used throughout the world. The fencing is probrably due to the fact that these areas are not open to the general public. In the large cities, these towers can be seen just about anywhere. Been around for many decades dear.

-- For (your@info.com), July 12, 1999.


Thanks "for your"... read above disclaimer and also what I was more concerned about. FWIW, regarding above reference to Nazi camps during WWII, ...should we suppose that while waiting to be occupied they had signs like.."BEWARE OF DEATH CAMP".... or could it have been something innocuous? Just wondering.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 12, 1999.


PS to for your... I did not present the information of what was seen near here as anything other than something that was seen. I do appreciate your input; however, I am not, and will not ever be your "dear". You may stick your condescension where the sun doesn't shine, "darlin'". Corinne, where are ya oh Smoochy One?

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 12, 1999.

Hate to say it, but I saw a similar enclosure in Oregon, just off I-5 south of Eugene. If it's meant to keep people out then why is the barbed wire facing inward? I figure that if the cities go dark, explode, and martial law is established, then the gov'ment is going to need a place to warehouse all the thousands of arrested rioters. The jails are already so overcrowded that there's not enough room for all manner of petty criminals today.During martial law there will probably be no parole,probation, bail granted so the members of the criminal subculture who commit crime after crime and are just processed through the system today will probably just be locked in the detention camps. I really doubt that the gov'ment is gonna go after law abiding citizens because they own guns or are christian or hold extreme political views. There's 180 million gun owners and 200 plus million christians in the US, gonna lock them all up? Gov'ment gonna have it's hands full just keeping a lid on the cities It can't afford to alienate the majority of it's citizens, gonna need us to rebuild the infestructure.

-- Fritz (Red@halcyon.com), July 12, 1999.

Of course they are building concentration camps to house millions of people. Ive seen them do it with clowns. These clowns can squeeze themselves into a little car.

But the truth is much more boring. The fact that facilities are built in the middle of nowhere is to protect from damage if something goes wrong. The trees are cut down so they don't catch fire. The wire is there to keep people out and to make it so some idiot doesn't decide to climb and falls to his death.

MrWayCool- "The truth is out there, its just way to boring though."

-- Mrwaycool (Iknowaboutthecamps@ofcourse.com), July 12, 1999.


Fritz,

I think you're right. There will be arrests--of course. They have to put these people somewhere. But they are not out to get people minding their own business.

-- Mara Wayne (MaraWAyne@aol.com), July 12, 1999.


Where on I-5 south of Eugene did you see this setup Fritz? That's my neck of the woods so I'd like to check it out.

thanks....

Freelancer

-- Freelancer (mercenary2000@yahoo.com), July 12, 1999.



excuse me mumsie, I ment to say dear hopeless moron. I was trying to give you the benefit of doubt...no longer!

-- for (your@info.co), July 12, 1999.

Fritz, why spew out this paranoid crap about locking up 200 million Christians??

NOBODY wants to do that Fritz......why was it even worthy to bring up such a ridiculous idea!!

Not that it's the first time I've heard that stupid stuff.......it's one of the reasons I have no interest whatsoever in ever going back to a fundamentalist church.

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), July 12, 1999.


Mr wayCool; If, as you state the barbed wire fence is built to keep people OUT then why is the barbed wire facing INWARD??? Also where I live, Eugene Or,there is just such a fire dep training facility as you describe; a several acre facility with a fire tower. It"s entirely paved in concrete,( wouldn't want the fire to spread), and fire men can often be observed training there. Yet just south of town is the strange enclosure I alluded to above;50 acres, no fire tower,no paved ground,just dry grass and a few trees surronded by a fence topped with inward facing barbed wire.Any training fire started there would ignite the grass and soon spread to the adjoining forest.Isn't it a little reduntant to have two fire training facilities in the same town less then ten miles apart?

-- Fritz (Fake@email.com), July 12, 1999.

MrProof

Out here, in Phoenix the 'Federal Detention Centers' are posted on the road signs. I drove past a large one on Black Canyon Freeway at Pioneer Road just two days ago...Looks as if they have upgraded the lighting system to put in many high intensity lamps...and yes, the razor wire points inward.



-- K. Stevens (kstevens@It's ALL going away in January.com), July 12, 1999.


Fritz, I was not talking about your Eugene, Oregon spot. But what you mention could be any number of things. We have several locations around my area that could fit that description nicely. There are 4 to 5 shooting ranges that would be what you described. A rugby league has one just like that they built. Don't ask me why they would string the wire up, but whatever floats there boat I guess.

My question though is how do you think they will keep hundreds of thousands of Christians locked up or how will there be enough man power to arrest the looters?

-- MrWayCool (Coolguy@evencoolerpeeps.com), July 13, 1999.


Mr WayCool; If you reread my post you'll see I'm suggesting that I DON'T feel that any camps are to house christians, or gun owners or Y2K preparers. I was responding to internet rumors which claim the "camps" are intended for christians, patroits, gun owner or Y2K preparers.How they gonna arrest looters?...troops,cops, tanks, attack helos, APCs, Humvees mounting .50 cals.For a better description of the "suspect enclosure" and why I think it might make a good detention center, go to my answer under a more recent thread entitled, "EUGENE DETENTION CAMP"

-- Fritz (fake@email.com), July 13, 1999.

For your... You are not getting the point. Perhaps you are careless when reading the postings. I did not say that what my daughter or cousin saw was anything other than as I described. I was fully ready to consider that your explanation was the logical one, while waiting to see in time what the truth is. What I did not appreciate was your smug attitude. This forum holds much more value if information can be freely exchanged. I have private corresponded with a woman who practically lives off the grid that I met on this forum. She is reluctant to post much of the wonderful advice she shares with me, because of rude posters such as yourself. What a shame! Could you consider, just for a moment, that what seems unlikely to you could be possible? You can shoot your "neener neener" attitude at me and anyone else on this forum, but you are doing a disservice to yourself and others. I don't know how old you are, but I'm guessing much younger than myself. Insolent rudeness seems to proliferate as the age level drops. Let me ask you a question? Do you believe that the Holocaust actually took place? If so,have you meditated on the incremental steps that brought it about? Can you tell me why you believe this could not happen in America? I don't know who these camps are intended for. If you want to read a funny take, pick up Richard Belzer's new book. He believes the camps exist, but a funnier account you will not find. My email is real. I'm willing to share information or answer questions, if asked Politely... Thank you.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 13, 1999.

Yup, here's the proof! Check out this web page, The Coming American Holocaust? Death Camps And Pick-Up Lists Ready?! They have it all set up!!!

Ummmm... wait...guess this one has been shot down.... http://www.they2ksite.com/i ndy.html

But I'm SURE that with these camps all over the country, at least ONE person has posted pictures on the web... oh, that's right.....they probably got shot by those UN guards...

(turning sarcasm mode off)

-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 13, 1999.


Mumsie, you wrote....

"This forum holds much more value if information can be freely exchanged."

Does 'freely exchanged' mean that all information should be accepted at face value? I would hate to think that some of your mindless scenarios would be taken seriously.

-- For (your@info.com), July 13, 1999.


Mr Proof

Love the pic. Pricless. If we actually know which routes the convoys are going to take we really should set up concession stands.

Mumsie

I also believe it's very possible we have started down the path that led to the Thrid Reich. And I don't believe in black helicopters, detention camps (yet) or UN preplaced equipment in the US. I think the only threat from the UN is that Liberals here can make treaties with it to get around our Constitution. God Bless.

For Your

Try not to respond to the posts that you can't understand. It makes you look rude. I'm sure you don't mean to be. Here's a hint. If the post is long enough that while reading it your lips get tired, stop, rest, and then go to the next one.

Watch six and keep your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.net), July 13, 1999.


I second Mr/Ms Mumsie's Belzer book rec. Belzer has pointed out that "history is just a collection of accepted lies" told to keep the masses in line. Who on this forum would disagree ?

-- Ct Vronsky (vronsky@anna.com), July 13, 1999.

The Eyes are Open, but there is very little on the other side.

-- For (your@info.com), July 13, 1999.

For your.... "Does 'freely exchanged' mean that all information should be accepted at face value? I would hate to think that some of your mindless scenarios would be taken seriously. "

You didn't answer my question about the Holocaust. Perhaps you believe that it did not really happen,...that it is the delusional fantasy of other mindless people? What scenarios did I describe? I believe that I expressed the concern that history could repeat itself (a mindlessly shocking concept!).

"I was fully ready to consider that your explanation was the logical one, while waiting to see in time what the truth is."

If you had actually read my above statement, it seems unlikely that you would have misunderstood (unless willfully) my statement about the freedom to exchange information.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 13, 1999.


Am I the only one who thinks the above picture looks fake? The blue part of the sign looks superimposed on to a photo of an actual sign, to me. The blue part looks cleaner and clearer than the other parts of the pictures.

-- Gina (gngdecker@ckt.net), July 14, 1999.

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